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« Reply #60 on: May 22, 2004, 04:00:00 PM »
dethbunny unless you know what yoru talking about, shut up.
The xbox is not meant to be multitasking, as loto_bak somewhat explained you mis-read the features list. Yes the XOS may be a new OS and have internal calls and such, but that is so you can do stuff with it while the XOS is operating not after the MS bios has loaded.

The only multitasking right now on the xbox is using a developer bios and the debugging tools. You can acess the hdd, and other features of the xbox thanks to the debug+xbdm.dll while any app/game is running.
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« Reply #61 on: May 22, 2004, 06:33:00 PM »
OzXodus didn't give us features, they gave us a legal foundation to built our apps with those features. Also I can now build a XBox backup app to backup games and DVDs without hiding it from M$.

This means we don't have to search for apps compiled with the XDK!!!
Dam That is sweet. I have only owned an Xbox a few months, and I have a lot to learn.

I will not look for an illegal XDK to build apps. To much hassle.

Now I can go nuts building apps!

your XBMC DVDToXbox and other apps will no longer bee needed.

I believe this means we do not need to load an illegal BIOS to run our apps on our Xboxes!


Am I the only one who sees this?


This does mean that our wait will be a little longer for the features we asked for.
Hell, the two I asked for are not in there yet (Skinable and FTP).



That is what I see from all this.
I hope I'm right.


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« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2004, 09:02:00 PM »
QUOTE (mcsenerd @ May 22 2004, 11:11 PM)
Oh...I've got a full grasp of it. Let's see what's wrong with this picture...

One...you speak of this OS as though it's actually been released and their loyal customers are reaping it rewards right this second...Ummmm...WRONG!

Did I say anything like that !? no. I dunno where you think I was implying that, but you go on changing words around to make yourself feel right k lil buddy?

QUOTE (mcsenerd @ May 22 2004, 11:11 PM)
Two...5 months...(Gasp?) How long do you think the shelf life of the Xbox will really be? What...I figure it's got max of two more years as a stong platform...after that...all the new consoles will be coming out and everyone will be forgetting about all of this. I imagine that's when we'll see this revolutionary OS rebuild actually mature to the point where it matters...and by then...it's not going to matter. You've got to think about the life of electronics in like 7ths of dog years...5 months my friend...is an extremely long time.

Well shit, I didnt know I was dealing with a market specialist here, I guess he must be right. OzXodus, You need to get on the ball and start cracking out those updates, maybe one every dog year? Oh oh wait, what about canine leap years? I mean shit since we are comparing the accurate comparisons of electronic timelines compared to fractional dog years in an ever fluctuating home entertainment market, I think thats a really important question that must be answered.

QUOTE (mcsenerd @ May 22 2004, 11:11 PM)
Three...Innovation? Please name me one thing that they have done that has not been done before? (No I'm not talking about the legends in their own mind stuff...I'm talking about things that everyone can get their hands on) No...my friend I'm afraid you're wrong again...I believe Ozxodus is about propoganda nothing more nothing less.


k, five words, put up or shut up.
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« Reply #63 on: May 23, 2004, 01:58:00 AM »
QUOTE (akarnid @ May 22 2004, 05:43 PM)
Why should I, when I only want to listen to music, like when i'm reading?


It's nice that you don't see any use for the LCD, but I do.


Haven't you ever turned off your computer's screen when you are using it just for winamp?

Same thing.




Now that is actually a nifty solution.  Does is come out all right on that screen?

Or just a small(4-6") LVD tv/monitor which is pretty cheap.

I just don't see the pros of a special LCD device that requires special programming to use. A small general purpose LCD monitor/tv that can take standard RCA plugs is better suited for your usage, IMO.

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« Reply #64 on: May 23, 2004, 03:16:00 AM »
QUOTE (ncaissie @ May 23 2004, 03:33 AM)
OzXodus didn't give us features, they gave us a legal foundation to built our apps with those features. Also I can now build a XBox backup app to backup games and DVDs without hiding it from M$.

This means we don't have to search for apps compiled with the XDK!!!
Dam That is sweet. I have only owned an Xbox a few months, and I have a lot to learn.

I will not look for an illegal XDK to build apps. To much hassle.

Now I can go nuts building apps!

your XBMC DVDToXbox and other apps will no longer bee needed.

I believe this means we do not need to load an illegal BIOS to run our apps on our Xboxes!


Am I the only one who sees this?


This does mean that our wait will be a little longer for the features we asked for.
Hell, the two I asked for are not in there yet (Skinable and FTP).



That is what I see from all this.
I hope I'm right.

You must understand as was noted before by someone else.

Developers will see it this way,
Do I want to make a program that will reach mayby 5-10% of the market, or one that will reach 100% of the market ?

Secondly, this has always been possible with linux/cromwell.
What do you think raincoat is ? its one of the most common apps available for the xbox that is LEGAL and is free and can be run from a cd or such and there is no legality problems associated with it.

So If your a developer and are so ancios to make programs that are LEGAL, learn to develop for linux and use cromwell as a boot system.
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« Reply #65 on: May 23, 2004, 03:44:00 AM »
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So If your a developer and are so ancios to make programs that are LEGAL, learn to develop for linux and use cromwell as a boot system.


Does that mean that all those apps will only work through booting ?
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« Reply #66 on: May 23, 2004, 04:49:00 AM »
QUOTE (ncaissie @ May 23 2004, 08:38 AM)

Dood what do you think is going to happen with the X3 Bios?

It's not going to work on any chip but the X3. (What % would this be?)

It's a dog eat dog world.

What ?  blink.gif
The x3 bios will still run all the same homebrew and retail code that we have been using for years now, the XOS will never achieve that.
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« Reply #67 on: May 23, 2004, 04:51:00 AM »
QUOTE (marksu @ May 23 2004, 12:44 PM)

Does that mean that all those apps will only work through booting ?

In the context of Xenium, every applications need to do that, no ? As it's main feature is allows one to select the BIOS to load.
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« Reply #68 on: May 23, 2004, 05:01:00 AM »
QUOTE (akarnid @ May 23 2004, 01:48 PM)
Show me where I can buy a 4" LCD TV for less than 100$.


You can't, right?



I'm very happy with my scrolling LCD screen, it shows me the ID3 tag info, and that is exactly what I bought it for.


Extra programming?



I just soldered it on, activated it thru the smartxx OS, and XBMC was already setup to output data to it.  No programming required on my part.


And I think this is a massive pissing contest between OzXodus & Team Xecuter.  Mind you not the first one.  Xecuter wouldn't have grabbed half the mod market if it weren't because of their boasting.  I'm old enough in this scene to remember the first Xecuter announcements.  This has been about 'my mod is bigger than your mod' ever since the market went from 29 wire homebrews to easily installed LPC/d0 chips.  That's just the way marketing is.

I am not sure about your place, but that is by all means possible in where I live(Hong Kong). They are made in China, the quality is no good but for the purpose intended, they are enough.

By extra programming, I mean you need the program to aware of it and use it which is quite different than say running apps like EVOX that only knows about the TV output.

BTW, I am not pissing anything, just don't see the advantage of such thing. I don't even know how to install a mod so even further from whoever's mod is better than others.

Be it Xenium or Xecuter or whatever, their feature list sounds cool and may be fun to work on but how useful they would really be(or shall I say that can't be done with alternative solution) is very much up to debate.

Take the new Xenium OS 2.0 as an example, SMB server sounds nice but why not just load a copy of linux with samba ? One can do may be another 1000 things at the same time, except playing Xbox games but Xenium can't either.
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« Reply #69 on: May 23, 2004, 05:04:00 AM »
QUOTE (chimpanzee @ May 23 2004, 01:51 PM)
In the context of Xenium, every applications need to do that, no ? As it's main feature is allows one to select the BIOS to load.

Well I was thinking about the DLL support feature.
I would sound strange if each DLL app would need to be started by booting.

The Idea of DLL technology is that it is integrated to the OS 2.0 just as it would be originally programed to it. Meaning giving new features to the OS by third party programmers. These features would then be used anytime while OS is running without rebooting.

This the the GREAT achievement with DLL support on OS 2.0.
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« Reply #70 on: May 23, 2004, 05:04:00 AM »
QUOTE (heinrich @ May 23 2004, 01:49 PM)
What ?  blink.gif
The x3 bios will still run all the same homebrew and retail code that we have been using for years now, the XOS will never achieve that.

So X3 is still a hacked BIOS, right ? That is quite some achivement by itself.
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« Reply #71 on: May 23, 2004, 05:09:00 AM »
QUOTE (marksu @ May 23 2004, 02:04 PM)
Well I was thinking about the DLL support feature.
I would sound strange if each DLL app would need to be started by booting.

The Idea of DLL technology is that it is integrated to the OS 2.0 just as it would be originally installed to it. Meaning giving new features to the OS by third party programmers. These features would then be used anytime while OS is running without rebooting.

This the the GREAT achievement with DLL support on OS 2.0.

Sure, but that only limits to Xenium OS aware application. What would be the advantage of it over booting into linux which can run almost ALL existing linux applications at the same time without booting ?

As a developer, why would I develop for Xenium OS rather than linux other than 'fun or I just can' ? Are there as much tools as that for linux ? It takes MS a lot of effort to build up the Xbox developer community and that is largely $ related.
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« Reply #72 on: May 23, 2004, 05:27:00 AM »
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Sure, but that only limits to Xenium OS aware application. What would be the advantage of it over booting into linux which can run almost ALL existing linux applications at the same time without booting ?


Well I think it does.
Just cause no need to boot to separate linux.

Well that is just me smile.gif

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« Reply #73 on: May 23, 2004, 05:47:00 AM »
QUOTE (ncaissie @ May 23 2004, 10:36 AM)
The X3 Bios is only for the X3 chip.

That my friend is NOT 100% of the market.

but the apps that will work with the x3 will work with every x2/evox/whoever else bios.  You are in a VERY small minority if you dont want the "hassle" of looking for xbox binaries, and you will never see near the library of legal apps compared to illegal apps until(if) openxdk makes some progress, and apps built with that will STILL not run with just the XOS, a hacked MS bios will always be needed.
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« Reply #74 on: May 23, 2004, 05:57:00 AM »
QUOTE (ncaissie @ May 23 2004, 12:38 PM)

Dood what do you think is going to happen with the X3 Bios?

It's not going to work on any chip but the X3. (What % would this be?)

It's a dog eat dog world.



Secondly Linux? what % of devs are Linux? Your contradicting yourself.
No offence to Linux and its devs but I bet there are a lot more windows devs.

I am an MS dev and always will be.

WHAT THE fuck does the x3 have to do with this ???

The X3 BIOS will run anything a normal bios will run, any XBE.

With the X3 chip/bios you as a dev DONOT have to make ur app specifically for the X3, you make it for the XBOX !


As to your Linux post, for sure.
But then, there is a bigger base of Linux on xbox, than there is of XOS2 on xbox.
Because anyone can run linux, but not everyone can run XOS2 (only those with the xen can)


To the post about XboxMedia Player and such. Making a legal one, HA.
Find me someone thats willing to do that using the XOS as a platform, no one ! They rather do it via cromwell/linux. IF your gonna put that much work into something, might as well make it so everone can use it.

Edit:
To add, "Problem finding binaries" have u NEVER heard of Xbins ?
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