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« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2004, 12:51:00 AM »
QUOTE (chimpanzee @ May 22 2004, 09:41 AM)
So it is more like PBL but can be flashed ?

If that is the case, can I use it to load a retail BIOS(MS) and run Xbox games ?

What I am looking at is the possibility of a Xbox with no hacked BIOS but at the same time can run both Xbox game and linux.

Currently, this is possible if I go the softmod route but it may not be possible for some new Xbox anymore. Beside, there is some gotchas like the clock loop issue etc.

I give up! rotfl.gif
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« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2004, 02:28:00 AM »
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Yah... ftp is cool and all...

Webserver is on it's way... we were too focused on the OS itself, and writing pages and cgi script interfaces and callbacks and etc etc etc for the webserver kind of got put on the back burner for awhile.  It'll get done, and will be cool.

But... all that aside... maybe you missed what, we think, is the BEST feature currently in 2.0...

SMB!!!  (A.k.a. "samba", "Windows Networking", "Windows Filesharing", etc)

Or, perhaps, I didn't clarify well enough...

With SMB support.... your xbox will show up in your network neighborhood, just like a PC....

You open it up, and there's all your drives....  copy a file?  Just drag it...

Oh... and it's FAAASSSTTT!

On the reverse side...  You can plop bioses in a shared folder on your pc... and browse the network from the xbox side... and flash the bios, right off of your pc, over the network, on the xbox!!

Screw FTP... Screw Webserver.... it cant get any more convenient then that! :-D

--Artifex
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« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2004, 02:53:00 AM »
QUOTE (marksu @ May 22 2004, 09:14 AM)
************ THE SECRATE IS OUT!! ****************

There is one way attaching the OS 2.0 to any other non Xenium mod.

1. Burn the OS file to CD (any cd will do even cd-r)
2. Open Xbox cover
3. Attach the cd on the mod with Binding Tape!!  laugh.gif

To run the OS 2.0 on a non Xenium mod is not possible!

However to run with the OS 2.0 and non Xenium mod is possible though!

1. Burn the OS 2.0 file to CD (any cd will do even cd-r)
2. Open Xbox cover
2. Pick up non Xenium mod from the xbox in your hand
3. Pick up the CD in your hand
4. RUN RUN RUN !!!  laugh.gif

************ THE SECRATE IS OUT!! ****************

I just gave away all my secrates and the noobs don't even bother to read it.   dry.gif

That is pretty mutch all you can do with the OS 2.0 if you do own only a NON Xeinium mod!  laugh.gif
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« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2004, 03:22:00 AM »
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No, realy I like the feature. That is wery waited feature to the Xbox-scene. smile.gif
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« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2004, 05:43:00 AM »
QUOTE (dailey @ May 22 2004, 02:11 PM)
Incorrect, if an application uses GPL code it only has to release the sourcecode to the GPL code that has been included and/or modified to work with the application (ie. the modified code)

In this scenario, if OzX included the GPL source for samba then all they would need to release sources for was the Samba code.

that depends on how they implement it. If it is relatively isolated, they only need to released the modified Samba source. If however it is well integrated in the mainline(could be because of size limitation or whatever), they are required to released the source code of the whole thing.
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« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2004, 06:00:00 AM »
QUOTE (CrayZEE @ May 22 2004, 01:34 AM)
Hmmm, i might be not one of the masses, but i still don't see a necessity for
an LCD. Sure its a nice Modification, but its useless crap imo. It does only look
nice and doesnt really add functionality.

What could an LCD tell me that i need to know that my TV can't do? I don't get it wink.gif

Yes, it is rather useless for most people, but, ozxodus made a big fuss about it, and showed a video of it working in XBMC.. this was done right after the news item of support for the smartxx's LCD, which was actually available, and installed in many peoples xbox's.  But that was months ago, and I have not seen 1 user with xenium + lcd.

moral of the story, less talking, more doing  tongue.gif

But, yes, I'm sure that it will grand all in good time...
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« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2004, 07:40:00 AM »
QUOTE (akarnid @ May 22 2004, 11:31 AM)
I'll tell you wots the point with the LCD.  I keep my Xbox hooked up to my living room equipment (Logitech Z-680 5.1, Sony VPL-CX5 XGA Projector).  I also keep a 29" TV in there as well.  But my main use is on the projector, and the bulbs for that cost big money.  So whenever I like to use XBMC to stream music from my home comp, I like to keep the proj. off and the TV too.  It's only for the music, and the LCD allows me to control XBMC directly without the need of turning my TV/projector on.  It's the best thing since I got my Xbox way back in 2001.  Essential to me.

Just use your TV, that's what it's for in the first place...  rolleyes.gif
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« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2004, 07:45:00 AM »
QUOTE (akarnid @ May 22 2004, 11:31 AM)
I'll tell you wots the point with the LCD.  I keep my Xbox hooked up to my living room equipment (Logitech Z-680 5.1, Sony VPL-CX5 XGA Projector).  I also keep a 29" TV in there as well.  But my main use is on the projector, and the bulbs for that cost big money.  So whenever I like to use XBMC to stream music from my home comp, I like to keep the proj. off and the TV too.  It's only for the music, and the LCD allows me to control XBMC directly without the need of turning my TV/projector on.  It's the best thing since I got my Xbox way back in 2001.  Essential to me.

What I did is buy a tv tuner for my gameboy advance and I hook my xbox up to that whenever I can't or don't want to use a tv. biggrin.gif
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« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2004, 10:18:00 AM »
On the subject of running the X-OS and a game concurrently...it's possible. There is a proud history in the computer world of just such things.  The first one that I remember doing an incredible job was SheepShaver under BeOS.  It allowed you to run an unmodified MacOS installation over top of BeOS, and it worked great.

Then there are the similar products like VMWare.

The closest I can think of to what we want to do, though, is the "two kernel monte" mod for a TiVo.  It's a method for running a hacked Linux kernel on the TiVo, with the official TiVo kernel over it.  Because the official kernel is in place, everything works as normal, but the hacked kernel underneath allows you to access and read the stored video streams on the TiVo - something not normally allowed.

In all of these examples, the MacOS, Windows, or the TiVo Linux have no idea that the envirenmen they're running in isn't the real hardware.

It can be done.  But it's a hard trick to pull off.

Oh, and this wouldn't require a chip like the Xenium.  You could do it with a special "bios" for any chip, or even TSOP.  It just hasn't been done yet.  With a suitably advanced infrastructure like that in place, though, you could make a modded box XBL compatible.  Instead of reporting actual hardware details, the low-level hacked OS could return any values.  It could remove the need to set media flags, or mount xISOs as if they were real discs as far as other software was concerned.  The possibilities are limitless - but it's far more difficult than most of the significant mods so far, like tricking the Xbox into booting from the built-in LPC.

I'll honestly be quite surprised if anyone pulls thatone off any time soon.
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« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2004, 10:28:00 AM »
QUOTE (chimpanzee @ May 22 2004, 02:41 AM)
If that is the case, can I use it to load a retail BIOS(MS) and run Xbox games ?

What I am looking at is the possibility of a Xbox with no hacked BIOS but at the same time can run both Xbox game and linux.

Since nobody else took the time to answer...

Yes, this is very possible, and very easy.  In fact, I believe the Xenium comes pre-flased with Cromwell.

When the Xbox boots up, you can select to boot from any BIOS on the Xenium (there's 1 MB of space) or from teh ob-board (non-modified) BIOS.  The easy way to do what you want would be to flash a Cromwell/Xromwell/etc BIOS to the Xenuim, then choose which BIOS you want to run each time the 'box boots.  Choose the on-board BIOS to play games (with full Xbox Live compatibility), and choose the Linux BIOS when you want to play that "linux" game everyone keeps talking about wink.gif
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« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2004, 12:22:00 PM »
QUOTE (dethbunny @ May 22 2004, 07:18 PM)
On the subject of running the X-OS and a game concurrently...it's possible. There is a proud history in the computer world of just such things.  The first one that I remember doing an incredible job was SheepShaver under BeOS.  It allowed you to run an unmodified MacOS installation over top of BeOS, and it worked great.

Then there are the similar products like VMWare.

The closest I can think of to what we want to do, though, is the "two kernel monte" mod for a TiVo.  It's a method for running a hacked Linux kernel on the TiVo, with the official TiVo kernel over it.  Because the official kernel is in place, everything works as normal, but the hacked kernel underneath allows you to access and read the stored video streams on the TiVo - something not normally allowed.

In all of these examples, the MacOS, Windows, or the TiVo Linux have no idea that the envirenmen they're running in isn't the real hardware.



So your exspecting Xenium to be able to write a bios that will have the entire 3d API implimented? oookay...

Your exspecting that a Xbox will be able to run a emulation layer to translate MS calls to Xenium (undeveloped) calls?

The xbox is pushed to its limits as is... In 'the computer world' as you say the hardware emulating these other software is either a mute point because its software such as word processors... the hardware emulating the other software is much more powerful... or the emulated software takes a BIG performance hit.

Your tivo 'two hernal monte' sounds like either a hacked bios simular to Xecuter releases or anything else based on the MS bios...  or perhaps its a PBL type setup? I am unfamiliar with TiVos and am unsure...

Bottom line is without Xenium re-writing the MS bios with their own calls (which, unless Xenium has a huge staff and 3D api programmers available) isnt going to happen ever.

This Xenium bios will not ever play a Xbox Game nativly

As far as the LCD support... damn rights if i bought one of thoes i would be pissed off. They cost around 50 or 60 usd right? They showed off lcd support... listed it under the features...  yet even today... many months after its been released.. .and still no WORD on support... more like... well we screwed up and just arnt going to say anything about it....

This was a very large project for them and would have taken alot of work... but as far as pleasing customers... Perhaps they should have prepared to actually meet the featurelist for their original product before they took on a long project and are still back at square one.
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« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2004, 02:02:00 PM »
QUOTE (Shaid @ May 22 2004, 04:40 AM)
I've been running 1.1 bios pretty much since it came out with absolutely no problems and version 2.0 does sound great. Look at what they have done before starting up all of the rants. The anouncement was just made and already there are multiple rants going on. They built something from the ground up with a lot of new "promising" features in a short amount of time.

Look...I think you're missing the point entirely. You don't go around supporting yourself as some sort of holy 4th gen chip when it's perfectly clear that their OS is pushing being qualified as a 3rd gen. It's not about this crap like..."well 1.1 works for me". That's great...a cheapmod prolly would've worked for you too. The point of the matter is that they promised things that they haven't delivered (Or does the promise of more empty promises qualify as a promise kept?). Where's the functionality of this SPI port? Where's the LCD support? Where's the true 4th gen features like FTP, HTTP flashing, Prog Scan OS support, etc? Well...I'll tell you where they are...in none of their customers hands. So go ahead peeps...flame on if you think you can prove that the Xenium deserves to be called a 4th gen chip as it is marketed as. I'm all ears if anyone's got any proof other than a bunch of blowhard press releases trying to steal the thunder of other products that have actually produced something for their customers to use.
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« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2004, 02:08:00 PM »
ok so i'm almost a total NEWB here... i'm just wondering if its bad that i just purchased my first chip which was the Xenium, the other day...?
should i have just waited on this one, or an i ok...

Thanks
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« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2004, 02:13:00 PM »
QUOTE (Syxx6 @ May 22 2004, 11:08 PM)
ok so i'm almost a total NEWB here... i'm just wondering if its bad that i just purchased my first chip which was the Xenium, the other day...?
should i have just waited on this one, or an i ok...

Thanks

Look...IF They come out with this new OS...then you will be able to use it on your Xenium assuming it's not a clone. Don't sit around waiting on it...you could be here a while if you do...
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« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2004, 02:39:00 PM »
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Xecuter3 news and updated featurelist
>> From teamxecuter.com:
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We are happy to present a revised feature list of X3 - the most feature packed BIOS and mod hardware ever designed for the Xbox.
As you can see we have now added full I/O support for LCD as well as expanding the i2c bus to support LCD modules that require only 4 wires - we will also do some kind of bundle deal where the LCD would cost only an extra $10 to $20.
The mod is designed to give you a hassle free install (we provide everything you require - no need to solder extra wires for extra functions such as LCD support or any switches you may want to use)
Not only is X3 powerful - itÂ’s also a lot of fun to use. Those who like toying with their bios will love X3 Config Live.

The first round of beta versions were shipped today to our core developers. Once we have finalized any changes X3 will ship to our public beta list which we have carefully selected over the last couple of weeks.
There is so much more we are going to add to the bios in future - as we have always done for you in the past, not to mention the expansive windows based software that is also being developed to make your mod experience even better. Currently we are finishing the addition of v1.6 support to our BIOS which would of course be of some use to those who want to play games / run unsigned code.
We have worked so hard on the quality of X3 in the last few months - we sincerely hope that you enjoy our efforts.

* 2MB Flash Rom With 15 Bios Storage Options
* Dedicated 256K Backup Rom with a new Linux based bios (Can be upgraded to any bios you wish)
* i2c Bus for X3 Config LIVE!
* New Enhanced SPI / i2c Interface for Full LCD support
* New Enhanced I/O Bus for Full LCD support (and other future hardware addons)
* All LCD modules to be custom made with adapters so no soldering required (also currently testing with a new 320x200 Matrix LCD)
* Flash Protection Control
* Mod Disable - Quick Press of Power or Eject (External LED will indicate RED LED)
* Hold Power+Eject >1 second to boot from 256k Backup Rom (External LED will indicate YELLOW LED)
* Hold Power >1 second to boot from 2Mb Flash Rom (External LED will indicate GREEN LED)
* HDD Activity LED
* LAN Activity LED
* LPC/D0 Alignment LED
* D0/A15 Control
* Wire Install Option + Included Wire adapter
* Pin Header Install Option
* No-Solder Pogo Pin Install Option will be available
* New LPT based external programming interface (CPLD controlled)
* Compatible with all current bios's
* Supplied with all adapters & wires

Bank Modes:
256k/256k/256k/256k/256k/256k/256k/256k/
512k/512k/512k/512k/
1024k/1024k
2048k

X3 Config LIVE!
All X3 Config Live! features are displayed on screen
* All works direct from new X3 on any new install.
* Select which bios bank to boot from on-the-fly
* Switch to either retail bios mode or FULL debug bios mode
* Display / Edit bios names from each bank
* Full DHCP & Static IP Support
* Built-in FTP Server with Boost Mode
* Built-in Webserver
* Flash BIOS via HTTP
* Flash BIOS via FTP
* New FTP Based Bios Storage System
* Control all BIOS / Mod functions and settings from HTTP
* Enhanced BIOS flash speed (256k - 2 Seconds, 1MB 10 Seconds)
* Built-in Onscreen Keyboard
* Customize all features of the bios on-the-fly
* LBA48 Live Control (Select Partition 6 or 6+7 or stock hard drive)
* IGR Live Control (Enable or Disable)
* Quick Launch Feature (select different features to be executed with gamepad combos)
* Customize startup animation colors on-the-fly (With Active Color Picker System)
* Customize startup flubber colors on-the-fly (With Active Color Picker System)
* Change Camera Angles of the startup animation (select between 15 options or choose random)
* User selectable startup logo
* Skinnable interface
* Password your XBOX for extra security
* Change your power LED color on the fly
* Set your Internal Fan Speed on-the-fly
* Enable or Disable Reset on eject hack
* Enable or Disable the Xbox Live Connect Hack
* Boot to original MS Dash
* Boot to original MS Bios
* Load Bios from HDD C, D, E, F and Flash
* Load Bios from DVD-ROM and Flash
* Format & Partition HDD
* Lock / Unlock HDD
* Set / Display Video Mode
* Progressive Scan Control (480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i)
* Set widescreen / letterbox
* New Audio Options (User selectable background music)
* Set / Display Game Region
* Set / Display DVD Region
* Display HDD Password
* Display All Xbox Live Configuration
* Display All Network Configuration
* Display all Eeprom public and encrypted data
* Save XBOX EEPROM to X3
* Restore XBOX EEPROM from X3
* Auto Save EEPROM to X3 on first install
* Save Settings to EEPROM
* Set default dashboard
* Setup custom dashboard selection (5 Options)
* Set drive to boot dash from (C E or F)
* Auto Fix of corrupt date / time
* X3 Software Intergration to other dashboards
* Brand new X3 Bios Manager for the PC - MANY new features including full BIOS configuration via built in webserver

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