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EmperorPsiblade

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« Reply #60 on: April 20, 2004, 10:01:00 AM »
cap269, you have a very valid point... i din't even realize it till now....

the XOS is owned by OzXodus.... So the cloners don't have a licenece and shouldn't be using the XOS....

So, the people using the Xenium CLONES do not have permission to use the XOS or to UPGRADE....

Here's my point:

MORON CLONERS, I HATE YOU ALL DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE... PEOPLE THAT BUY CLONES ARE JUST AS BAD!

Everytime you buy a clone, Artifex kills a kitten...........
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« Reply #61 on: April 20, 2004, 10:08:00 AM »
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« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2004, 10:20:00 AM »
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Marksu or anyone that promotes destruction, do you work for Team OzXodus ? I don't see why there is such negativity here. Did you write the OS?


No I have nothing to do with Ozxodus.
No I don't promote destruction, but don't necessary condown it eather?
Ppl here have many nice ideas here. smile.gif

I am open minded.

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So lets say these cloners get a free be upgrade up to 1.1 but 2.0 is not allowed. This would stop most people from purchasing a clone. Great Idea, this informs the user the products in not authentic so when they refer a friend they want the real goods. So the scamer site does not make money on the return customer.


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heh, I think only booting the original bios would be a better punishment , you'll lose a lot more features with that alone.


Both Ideas are good.
My concern is though that cloners are also a sort of crackers, they propaply would overccome the limit. There would need to be some action to prevent cloners crack the ACT as they are wery skilled I am sure. Cause of their cracking abilities I see only bullet proof action to be disabling OS. If Ozxodus could get it bullet proof to make the above succestion actions that might be also OK.

Still cause cloners own actions (possbile cracking ACT) their them selves would be causing the extreme ACT prosesses.

Many good pointer to why disabling OS totally are also mensioned on this thread.

Keep on with the good succestions smile.gif
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EmperorPsiblade

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« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2004, 10:23:00 AM »
QUOTE (M2bored @ Apr 20 2004, 10:13 AM)
If the cloned chips are good enough they are EXACTLY the same as the real chips. Therefore all new software will run on them. The components may not be of the same quality, but chances are if hte chips WORK then they are similar enough.

thats the problem... the clones ARE NOT good enough...
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« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2004, 10:27:00 AM »
Ok no where did I say I was a bulk reseller of any type of chip.  When Ive talked about buying/installing Xenium chips, its from the stand point of a mod installer, not a large company.  When I install a chip into an XBox, Im the Point of Sale to my customer, who wants the chip installed, Im the last face that person sees when they want the chip installed.  

Now all I want it some sort of explanation as to how OzX plans to help any Official Xenium owner whose chip may be 'accidentally' erased with this ACT, as I will be the person who is called and who is argued with about why my customers chip isnt working.  Me telling a customer, contact some guys in Australia and they will help you, just isnt gonna cut it.

So how about it OzX?  Im sure someone thats either affiliated with you or knows you will read this thread.  What are you rplans in case this happens?  And 'It wont happen' isnt a plan, its a delaying tactic.  

Teaser69: I figd as much you didnt have the money to back up your talk.  So be quite, and let the big boys talk.

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« Reply #65 on: April 20, 2004, 10:35:00 AM »
SigTom, if a GENUINE Xenium is erased becasue of ACT, I am certain that OzX would gladly and cheerfully replace it post-haste, or work through your source if you didn't get it straight from them. These are their words: "All we say is that we are very very clear that ORIGINAL Xenuim chips are tested and come with a guarantee should they not work. The clones DO NOT."
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« Reply #66 on: April 20, 2004, 10:37:00 AM »
QUOTE (SigTom @ Apr 20 2004, 07:27 PM)
Teaser69: I figd as much you didnt have the money to back up your talk.  So be quite, and let the big boys talk.

Okay I'm sure the MS lawyers will love to read how modchippers and the makers of them are upsetting people ripping them off with cheep products.
And you know people like you will bring in aledged colaterol xbox damage then the media will blow it all out of proportion.

Big enough for you? bye bye modchips jester.gif
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« Reply #67 on: April 20, 2004, 10:45:00 AM »
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Now all I want it some sort of explanation as to how OzX plans to help any Official Xenium owner whose chip may be 'accidentally' erased with this ACT, as I will be the person who is called and who is argued with about why my customers chip isnt working. 


We don't have any glue of how bullet proof teknics they are using to identify a clone.  

Come back with that question when it is actual, and to get better response send it directly to Ozxodus. smile.gif

Right now there is nothing to back up that to hapen.
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« Reply #68 on: April 20, 2004, 10:59:00 AM »
Teaser69: Im happy to continue talking with you about this subject, just can you try and make sure the important words in your post are at least close to being spelled correctly, as that will allow others to understand you, thats the way language skills work.

cap269: I certainly hope OzX will do exactly just that, give a gurantee it the OS fails, not the chip, they will replace it.  

As far as waiting for it to happen and then contacting OzX, thats not the way I am.  When I have to buy/use something, I like to know up front what the expected outcome will be, and if it isnt reached, what steps will be done to correct it.  If something is going to fuck up on an XBox I work on, I would like it to be because of an error I made, maybe a bad solder job etc, rather than have to blame someone else.  Passing the buck onto someone else in front of a customer is not the way I was taught to do business.  But I will take marksu's advice and get up with OzX thru email and see if they have any concrete plans on how they would react to that happening.
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« Reply #69 on: April 20, 2004, 11:01:00 AM »
QUOTE (Teaser69 @ Apr 20 2004, 02:37 PM)
Okay I'm sure the MS lawyers will love to read how modchippers and the makers of them are upsetting people ripping them off with cheep products.

OzX automatically deletes THEIR OWN software from hardware designed to IMITATE their own.

MS automatically deletes EVERYBODY ELSES software from the hardware THEY designed. http://xbox-linux.so...motedelete.html

Me thinks MS is the bigger bully....
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« Reply #70 on: April 20, 2004, 11:31:00 AM »
QUOTE (GomerPyle @ Apr 20 2004, 07:25 PM)
...Both you and Me know OzXodus that you dont make your own Bioses, There is some chip makers out there that do in fact make their own Bioses.

As ive stated before if your chip wont load or flash to Evox or Xecutor Bioses what are you gonna do then??....

why the hell are you dragging Evox & Xecuter into this discussion about CLONES?

how does OzX's response to cloners have anything to do with BIOS's ?!?!  blink.gif




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EmperorPsiblade

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« Reply #71 on: April 20, 2004, 11:42:00 AM »
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« Reply #72 on: April 20, 2004, 12:46:00 PM »
QUOTE (kronium @ Apr 20 2004, 09:40 PM)
This all sounds like a great movie to me:

Hey cloners, you sure do have a purty mouth.   I bet you can squeal like a pig.  Squeal like a pig boy.  Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"

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« Reply #73 on: April 20, 2004, 01:59:00 PM »
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...What happens when that person's newly purchased bootleg MS Office glitches, and they call up MS for customer service, what do they get told? "Sure, we'll help you... " ??? NOT!! They are promptly told they need to go BUY the REAL thing, no matter how much they just spent on their unlicensed copy. It's the same deal with ACT...

I think this is the best thing Ive read so far, other than the kitten killing thing.

But lets take a look at this further. Take XBox Live for instance, is not MS doing the same thing? You log on with your modchip on and MS bans that box from using Live ever again in effect disabling Live forever on that box.

It remains to be seen what will happen after ACT determines it is a clone. Will it erase the software? Will it prevent it from upgrading? Will it only boot to the original bios? Who knows..? OzXodus knows, but we dont. I could care less as I have originals.

I have installed a few original Xeniums for some friends and am not worried in the least bit about ACT acting up on their machines. If something should happen then so be it. I have all my receipts and always bought from an authorized reseller. Wether I have to deal with my reseller or directly with OzXodus doesnt matter to me as I know I have originals and the problem will get rectified.

What im more concerned about is OzXodus' sales loss and the flagrant use of its software. Just take a look at some clone sites and you'll see what I mean.

"Down with the clones!" I say
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« Reply #74 on: April 20, 2004, 02:27:00 PM »
moobar:

But has OzX said they will swap out a chip if the OS is erased, I mean actually spcified that 'malfunction' as one that is allowed to be RMA's?  All Ive seen is that they will swap it out if the hardware fails, not the software.
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