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[EmperorPsiblade]

i believe that is the function of the ACT.... these OzXodus haters just ASSUMED that it would destroy the clone...

phunzoid, you are a genius.... i was waiting for someone smart enough to say this....

[tiger]

[M2bored]

The key to this discussion is whether ozXodus should punish those who unwittingly purchase clones...and the answer is NO

[EmperorPsiblade]

Only morons buy clones.... who DOESN'T want to punish a moron....

You go cheap and buy from a shady website.... it's your own damn fault and you are a moron....

[EmperorPsiblade]

you are taking them too literal.....

the clones have been failing because they are low quality...

WHY DOES EVERYONE EVEN CARE UNLESS THEY HAVE A CLONE!!!?

[SigTom]

What if one of my customers with a Xenium chip comes to me and says, my OS has been erased, I dont know why.  What do I do?  The onus would be on me at that point, I would be doing work for OzX, and Im not getting paid to do so.  Thats why I will not recommend this chip for customers, as I do not want even slightest cunt hair's of a chance that this would screw up a chip I installed.  

And honestly, lets stop smell the shit for what it is, everyone who runs any cracked/hacked BIOS is doing exaclty the same sort of thing to MS as the cloners are doing to OzX, using their software w/o thier permission or reimbursement.  So why havent any of you said that we should stop using chips altogether?

[newbie_te]

i think ACT is a good idea, why should ozxodus support a product which is not theres?

And for all those people who knowingly bought clones.... should you not be seeking support from the members of the clone/fake team rather than the ozxodus team.

For all those who where sold a fake as an original ...sue the F****** company who sold it to you if they will not give you your money back.

[Teaser69]

QUOTE (SigTom @ Apr 20 2004, 05:10 PM)

What if one of my customers with a Xenium chip comes to me and says, my OS has been erased, I dont know why.  What do I do?  The onus would be on me at that point, I would be doing work for OzX, and Im not getting paid to do so.  Thats why I will not recommend this chip for customers, as I do not want even slightest cunt hair's of a chance that this would screw up a chip I installed.

U Wood hav 2 xplane y U ripped them off by selling them a clone

Wow don't sell much do you

SmartXX chips nope
They made OS's before that killed there chips and peoples xbox even
So no sales there

Xecutor chips nope
Well some of them are aparently flawed as 4982 proved

Face it your just bitchin because your clone chips you ripped people off for over the last 2 months are about to die and your going to have to pay the price

EDIT as for oz_paulb's post if you read it and well know anything you'll wet your pants laughing by the end of it

[SigTom]

Can people not read?  I never said it was a clone I sold/would sell.  I said if it was a GENUINE XENIUM chip that has the OS erased, as it is a possibility.  NO ONE can say that there is NO chance that it cant happen.  Theres ALWAYS a chance, so why take it?

When the xecuter BIOS didnt work correctly, thats fine, I can reflash that, weve been given instructions on how to recover from that, same as with the SmartXX.  Where are the instructions for recovering your OFFICIAL Xenium chip, bought from an OFFICIAL OzX resller IF the OS is erased?

[Sacrilego]

I agree with phunzoid.
I wonder how possible that would be with their current software implementation though.
I wouldn't worry too much about dead clones, the recovery feature of the xenium would allow you to reflash the Dolly  xenium with the older versions of the OS.

I guess they could make so that once you unkowningly flash a clone eith the newer os it'll display a "Dude, you have a clone" message then boot the original bios.

This way the user has the choice of keeping the clone and reflashing with 1.x in recovery mode or get his money back etc.

I bought an original and I think it's worth every penny.

BTW for those that don't get the Dolly reference, Dolly was a sheep cloned from an adult cell that died early.

[SigTom]

So you telling me that you can gurantee that no official chips will be erased?  Your willing to put your neck out there and offer to all owners of Xeniums chips that if, by some chance of fate it happens, you will replace it? If so, I can have my lawyer draw up some documents and FedEx them to you in the morning.

[Xbox-Gear]

Ok guys enough is enough.

Clones should NOT exist in the first place. They are exploitation of OzXodus hard work and revolutionary developments. Why should a bunch of eneducated fools , come on to this scene and Copy many months , perhaps years of hardwork and flog it off as their own , as if this wasn't bad enough they even RELY on the good OzXodus rep to sell their clones and link to all their content.

Clone makers can not support themself, they cannot innovate nor can tell thier arse from their elbow , they're out for a quick buck and will NEVER develop or encourage mod development or any type of scene development.

OzXodus have every right to defend their own product and LOYAL fans , Why should their hardwork not be rewarded , instead what should be money returning to OzXodus for Research and Development purposes is shared by a bunch of faceless cowards. Now as a result of sheer arrogance and greed (buying clones a few dollars cheaper than originals) resellers will be left with an angry backlash of customers as a result of the shoddy clone. The responsibility is  with the seller all the way , they take the risk when buying the clones and selling them to the public.
It's funny how the tables have turned indeed!


Some people on these forums , blatantly biased towards clones based on alterior motives , are asking how can OzXodus do this to consumers ?

I ask you to remember this is not an OzXodus product in any shape or form , but a barrier in their quest for sucess. The clone is putting their reputation into jeaporday and causing confusion among consumers.

Any supporters or resellers of the clones are the ones causing the damage in this scene and luring consumers into a false sense of security.

Every product is entitled to it's own protection in order to ensure it's safety and position in the market. Clones are clones , they are not endorsed or supported by OzXodus in any shape or form despite using their good name. As a result OzXodus can not take any blame in any shape or form!

Evolutionmods should do a product recall if they are any sort of business, this is a standard procedure when a SERIOUS fault is known in the product. The cloners badly mass-produced and under estimated the intelligence of OzX. Now they are left to face up to the facts.

If you cut corners in business , your negligence will catch up with you sooner or later.

Now if you want to reply and 'challenge' me do so but in a meaningful way , this consits of no resorting to flames or insults as you can not justify your views correctly.

[sha]

QUOTE (tiger @ Apr 20 2004, 08:33 AM)

sha so in other words you believe that ozxodus has to distribute there operating system for free? And it is ok for the theves to steal there hard work?. let me explain something to you, it is very simple! the clone manufactures are thieves, they like to steal....., from the developers .....from the poor innocent customer and last but not least from the whole xbox community .... the only thing these useless incapable dumb assed idiots are capable of are ripping everyone off and you have the audacity to come here and defend them SHAME ON YOU !!!!

I support customers and fellow sceners, as for the post I made it was not to alliance my self with anyone but to find a resolution for this mess OzXodus will make if they choose to kill chips.

Not to get off subject, this is not an ethics forum it’s a vicious circle with uneducated comments for support or against their actions.

So lets say these cloners get a free be upgrade up to 1.1 but 2.0 is not allowed.  This would stop most people from purchasing a clone.  Great Idea, this informs the user the products in not authentic so when they refer a friend they want the real goods.  So the scamer site does not make money on the return customer.

I really do not care if they release this ACT or not but I would like to see them in business in the future.  Bad PR is not a good way to promote a product or future products.  Drop the price on the chips to an amount they cannot compete with and there will be no reason for someone to buy a clone.  Better yet make a new chip that cannot be cloned and stop production on the old chips.

This is a sad day for the xbox-scene, who is getting kick backs here and who chooses sides? This With or Against mentality?  This community was never money driven, if MS wanted they could shut down these forums for the same reason.  We all love are xbox and what are genuine mods do for them but this extreme.

Also if Xbox-Scene want to support these actions they should just have a disclaimer when going before the modchip page with the risks of clone chips and give a list of authorized resellers updated every time a Manufacture gives the ok on a reseller.  Then the Manufacturer should audit the reseller and purchase chips randomly to see if the chip is authentic.  It sounds like allot of work but this is what customers want.

As for the comment you made “shame on me”.  You lack reading comprehension please re-read my post and start from post 1, apology accepted.

[Sacrilego]

It's impossible to guarantee 100% anything.
Even just upgrading to OS 1.1 failed on one original I installed once for no aparent reason, reflashing in recovery mode fixed that.

Anything we say or speculate right now is useless since we don't have any real information on how this feature can detect a fake from a real one, so we should refrain from slamming and flamming.

I bet we all have are concerns and SigTom's concerns are very legit.
even if 1% of originals died, it would prove very bad for big volume chip installers.
But if users are smart enough to upgrade their os they can also read ozxodus's main site news before downloading the new os and if there are any issues of original dieing xeniums, I'm sure we'll hear about it shortly after the update.

[cap269]

QUOTE (EmperorPsiblade @ Apr 20 2004, 10:55 AM)

you are taking them too literal..... the clones have been failing because they are low quality...

Re-read the OzX news flash ... especially this part ...

"We can, we already have, and we will continue to remove our OS from any fake chip. PERIOD."  ... and above that ... "No O.S; No chip. Simple enough?"

As you can see, the clones are dying because they have no OS on them. True, some may be dying due to quality issues, but I'll wager it is probably moreso they are losing their OS, so there is no code on the chip to run.

Software ALWAYS belongs to the developer/publisher, never the end user, even publicly licensed software. When you buy an official Xenium, you're also buying the license to use the Xenium-OS.  If you buy a clone, you have NOT bought the license to use the OS, so OzX has the right to remove the unauthorized software. Your hardware still works, it's just blank. Like an empty disk. OzXodus has not destroyed your equipment (fake, clone, whatever you wanna call it), they have just removed something you didn't have the right to use, THEIR unlicensed software. Someone is free to develop an OS, or hack the original OS, for the clone chips, I'm sure... who's gonna stop them? I dunno.

Brilliant, if you ask me, because you really can't thwart it. You don't really know whether you have a clone or not until it is dead. Sure, there may be a few who INTENTIONALLY bought a clone, but most of the clone owners probably thought they got the real thing. When their chip dies, the RESELLER is the one who screwed them, not OzXodus. I doubt very many people told their reseller "I want of those Xenium fakes" ... there are a lot of people who get duped with other different kinds of products all the time.  

There are people that unintentionally buy "fake" software all the time. Why do you think Ebay had to change their policy on software sales? What happens when that person's newly purchased bootleg MS Office glitches, and they call up MS for customer service, what do they get told? "Sure, we'll help you... " NOT!! They are promptly told they need to go BUY the REAL thing, no matter how much they just spent on their unlicensed copy.  It's the same deal with ACT. I consider the modchip to be MEDIA, like a CD. It is media. It's a flashrom. What you are really paying for is a LICENSE to use XENIUM OS. If you get a fake chip, you don't have the license, and you shouldn't be allowed to have it.