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[marksu]

FORUM RULES HAVE NOT CHANGED IN 3 HOURS!

RULE:
No Posts/spam/ads/propoganda For Clone/fakes

edit: READ THE RULES ON ABOVE LINK!


DISCUSSION DIRECTED ON "ACT" ONLY!

[EmperorPsiblade]

then get to the xecuter forum, fanboy...

[cap269]

QUOTE (psykes @ Apr 22 2004, 01:55 PM)

But killing peoples chips, and make THAT the prime feature of the new OS....

They aren't killing the chips. Poor workmanship is. ACT doesn't kill the chip, it only removes the OS. The chip itself, if it hasn't died from being poor quality, is still usable. It just needs a new OS flashed to it. Nobody's stopping anyone from making a replacement OS for the cloned chips. Oh wait, they don't know how? Bummer.

Also, nobody has said that the ACT is the "prime" feature ... a lot of us have been waiting for OS 2.0 for many other reasons...

[marksu]

For sure ACt is not the prime feature, just one feature among several new features.

To prevent cracking ACT, the best solution propably is removing both main and restore OS.

Not sure though what then. Would it mean xbox works just like it would not have any mod inside?

Therefore allways booting to the xbox original bios?
OR
Would if possibly frag at boot?

We will know it first after new OS comes out. Still new OS might have some kind of delay on ACT, making it more diffucult for cloners to crack (trial and error) for next clone version.

[EmperorPsiblade]

QUOTE (marksu @ Apr 22 2004, 10:19 AM)

FORUM RULES HAVE NOT CHANGED IN 3 HOURS! RULE: No Posts/spam/ads/propoganda For Clone/fakes edit: READ THE RULES ON ABOVE LINK! DISCUSSION DIRECTED ON "ACT" ONLY!

when did you become an mod marksu?    jk

the cloner fags would more likely edit the XOS as a bin file.... rather than capture the code from the Xenium through evesdropping on the data lines....

but that depends on the cloner's ablitiy to crack the encryption on the XOS bin file.... hmmmm but that leaked release still worries me.... what if they modify that unencrypted XOS bin..... that would be badddddd....  

Marksu is right. Marksu tiene razon... the ACT is not the major feature in the XOS 2... else the cloners would be happy with XOS 1.1 on their low quality clones.... there must be a motivation to upgrade...

At least i hope i'm right....

EDIT: Marksu spelled as "Marsu"

[marksu]

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when did you become an mod marksu?

 You are funnier than you even realise!

One thing is I started this thread and set the title to define the discussion content of the thread.  

Other thing person don't have to be mod the clarify the rules on this forum.

Don't want this thread be closed cause some blind people don't read the rules.
It would be nice to integrate a speach fag for blind ppl on this forum.  

Well anyway back to orig. discusion.
If they get to crack the bin OS file, how can it be flashed to the chip when ACT have removed main and restore OS from the chip? The OS is needed for the flash.  

EDIT: Sure it can be flashed at the factory to new version of clones but not old ones.
After a while even those cracked clones are disabled by a new version of ACT.
YEEEEEEEE!  

[EmperorPsiblade]

well... not to help the cloners and all... but

1. they hack the bin file, remove act

2. flash the hacked 2.0 to a clone running 1.1 with NO act (the act is previous XOSes is jsut a marketing ploy)

3. run 2.0 with no chip failing except from the crappy soldering and crappy hardware in the crappy clones....

In my not so humble opinion, revealing the security flaws in the XOS will help OZX make a more secure XOS 2.0
I like feeding the trolls.....

[marksu]

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[HSDEMONZ]

I keep pushing MARKSU to be a mod..

I think I got him on the edge of the cliff.. just gotta push a bit harder..

[EmperorPsiblade]

you pushed too hard....

[Flagg3]

QUOTE (oz_paulb @ Apr 19 2004, 11:19 PM)

Here's my two cents on the subject... I've been an embedded developer for over 20 years.  I've had several occasions to try to 'protect' my software from cloning/etc, and have considered 'self destruct' mechanisms similar to what OzXodus seems to be doing.  I've always decided that this is a bad idea.

I agree 100%.  

I've always been a big supporter of OzXodus, but I would be EXTREMELY disappointed if there were actual 'self destruct' code in the XOS.

Whenever you put something like that into your code, you ALWAYS run the risk of hurting legitimate customers.  The fact that all software - XOS included - sometimes requires pathing and bug fixing is proof enough that no one ever writes code perfectly enough to be 100% sure it will function as intended.  Self destruct code is simply too dangerous to risk putting into your software, ever.

Having said that, I see nothing wrong with OzXodus writing code that attempts to 'lock out' the fakes.  (These chips are FAKES, not CLONES.  As a matter of fact if these exact same chips were marked and sold specifically as Xenium clones then I would support them completely.  There's nothing wrong with a consumer choosing to buy a clone if he knows what he's getting and the risks associated with buying a clone.  People do it every day with ink jet cartridges, cubic zirconia and hundreds of other products.  But these fakes are designed to fool the consumer so that they can be sold at a higher price, not to benefit them with a lower cost alternative.)

As it stands I'm getting really tired of these announcements from OzXodus.  They promised an amazing 2.0 release, they should just deliver it already and let it speak for itself.  

Flagg

[cap269]

Ummm, I don't think it is against the rules merely to say "clone" ... I've done it repeatedly during my ON TOPIC posts in this thread. What IS against the rules, the way I understand them, is to use the forums at X-S to PROMOTE the clones. Yes, they are a part of the Xbox-Scene, a bad part, the same way that CANCER is a part of human life, a bad part.

This thread was created to discuss the implementation of OzXodus' Anti-Clone Technology, and the redirections in this thread were made to ensure that this particular topic is not departed from; and not turned into yet another venue to discuss the employment, acquisition, support, ethics, or morality of clones, which would cause the hammer to fall and the topic closed.

[marksu]

QUOTE (cap269 @ Apr 23 2004, 04:06 AM)

Ummm, I don't think it is against the rules merely to say "clone" ... I've done it repeatedly during my ON TOPIC posts in this thread. What IS against the rules, the way I understand them, is to use the forums at X-S to PROMOTE the clones. Yes, they are a part of the Xbox-Scene, a bad part, the same way that CANCER is a part of human life, a bad part. This thread was created to discuss the implementation of OzXodus' Anti-Clone Technology, and the redirections in this thread were made to ensure that this particular topic is not departed from; and not turned into yet another venue to discuss the employment, acquisition, support, ethics, or morality of clones, which would cause the hammer to fall and the topic closed.

cap269 you just read my mind!  

You could not have sead it better!  

[marksu]

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I hope he never takes up your offer. He's got an itchy trigger finger when it comes to shutting people up -- particularly with regards to clone talk.

You should hope I dont take that offer cause your don't respect the RULES forum admins have set up!  

[Ultima111]

QUOTE (HSDEMONZ @ Apr 22 2004, 04:42 PM)

I keep pushing MARKSU to be a mod.. I think I got him on the edge of the cliff.. just gotta push a bit harder..

WTF...how the hell...?!?!?!?!?!?!?

NOOOO!!!!

What has he given to the scene besides a couple of help posts...

That sure is a sucky name to be given.."Moderator" maybe I should make 200 posts, helping some people out and then maybe I will get modded..honestly you make it seem as though he  has coded the whole Xenium O.S. and written a in-depth FAQ on the Xenium modchip...

Anyways...

code goes WRONG! I know my c++ proggys get wanky all the time...

can I ask a question...

HOW THE HELL DOES THIS BENEFIT XENIUM OWNERS?!?!?!
If they are going to make "announcements about great features, atleast make comments that will benefit ppl with real Xenium's..

Why erase O.S.'s from chips? To protect their their business? GOOD FOR THEM! If this is what they choose to put in their chips I stand by em' completely, but if it erases my o.s., I will still stand by em' after I get my new chip ..

Let' wait and see what they do...