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[Be Absentminded]

After seeing the second batch of clones out I was just wondering why is it the Xenium is Faked/Cloned so damn much?  I haven't seen a SmartXX, X-Bit or anything else for that matter cloned yet.  Was something about the design leaked or is it just such a popular chip everyone wants to clone it?  I just wanted to know cause it seems very strange to me that it's the only 4th gen chip that's been faked/cloned.

-Jameson

[EmperorPsiblade]

i think the SmartXX clone is being made right now  

It is because Xenium is the most popular 4th generation modchip

[Be Absentminded]

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I just wanted to know cause it seems very strange to me that it's the only 4th gen chip that's been faked/cloned.

......I guess some people don't like to read the entire post before they reply.

-Jameson

[Master-Chief]

QUOTE (Cavalierz24 @ Apr 5 2004, 08:55 PM)

They arn't the only ones being cloned...unless you are just talking about the 4gen chips. Team OzXodus is the only one that is dumb enough to freely give out the information on how to perfect the fakes.

Who's the dumb one now, may I ask?

OZXodus is doing a GREAT job letting us differenciate our chips from clones to ensure that we do NOT possess cloned chips.  

[LepPpeR]

QUOTE (Master-Chief @ Apr 5 2004, 09:35 PM)

Who's the dumb one now, may I ask? OZXodus is doing a GREAT job letting us differenciate our chips from clones to ensure that we do NOT possess cloned chips.

I believe he thinks that by showing what is different it allows the cloners to perfect their errors and make an exact replica of the Legitimate Xenium.

[heinrich]

xenium cpld = xilinx, cheap and 'easy' to crack
smartxx cpld = quicklogic, more expensive and not so easy to crack.

And saying that ozxodus is telling the cloners how to make their chip more original looking is just plain dumb.  Unless you are naive to think that said parties do not actually own a xenium.

[Cavalierz24]

I realize that they more than likly own several of them but at the very least they could make them do their own work...instead the cloners just have to sit back and wait for Team OzXodus to release the differences...if the cloners weren't watching what Team OzXodus was saying about the fakes then they never would have released a second version of the fakes that more closely resemble the real thing. The second version of the fake wasn't released for the fun of it; they were trying to make it harder for vendors to tell their fakes from the real deal. I don't think Team OzXodus should just sit back and let it happen, but there are better ways to keep the clones off the market than telling them nice try guys next time do this and you might be able to trick even more people. And thats pretty much what releasing the illustrated differences to the general public is doing. I am not saying that they are dumb people, I respect them more than that, but I am saying that, from a business standpoint, it isn't the most sound descision a company could make to aid people in making illegal copies of their product.

[Kmoney]

The point is this, vendors shouldnt have to worry if they are selling fakes, they should be buying direct for OzXodus and they wont have to worry about getting fakes. Its just plain logic, sure they might get "killer" deals from other vendors, but the chance they are fakes is to just too large.

[marksu]

Of cource Ozxenium is telling ppl how to recogise the xenium.  The point is to ppl to be able to recognise a fraud etc...

If  cloners would in till the end be able to make a totally original looking chip that is not a problem. Ozxodus would just make major changes on the outlook of the chip and cloners would need to start from beginning (outlook wise).

[Tommy Vercetti]

QUOTE (Be Absentminded @ Apr 5 2004, 08:59 PM)

......I guess some people don't like to read the entire post before they reply. -Jameson

ONLY the 4th Gen chips??  What is that??? TWO whole chips??  what else is 4th gen besides Xenium and SmartXX??

They are gonna get cloned cuz its the next best thing.  Why spend time and money to clone old technology when what people want is bigger and better?

I think its pretty self explanatory.

[marksu]

No offence but lets not make clone threads, there is allready a Xenium Fakes/clones.  

It would be a hasle for ppl to reply same comments on several threads.
In the end the forum admin would have to merge them.

I guess you did not realise that

My first msg on that thread would fit as reply to your msg.

[Cavalierz24]

QUOTE (grug @ Apr 6 2004, 05:51 AM)

What a load of crap. XP wasn't cracked for quite some time after its release. The main problem was the fact that volume license keys don't require activation at all, so no cracking was required...and these (unaltered) copies of XP with the volume license key were out 2 months before XP was. And they didn't come up with a VLK keygen for about 6-9 months....which  is why the majority of installs were using the FCKGW key and why MS blocked it in SP1. What exactly would you like OzXodus to do? a) Take the wrap for a bunch of terrible clones inform purchasers that they must have received a cloned chip, or c) tell purchases HOW to tell they have received a cloned chip and what to do about it, and where to purchase to be guaranteed an official Xenium. The cloners are certainly trying, but it is very, very, very hard to get the chips looking identical. There will always be small differences.

I know for a fact that XP was cracked within 4 hours of it's release.

I don't expect OXodus to do anything I think they have done enought iun telling us who are their trused dealers and I expect the public to go to one of those trusted dealers. I also expect that if you are a person that thinks they may have a fake chip that you should contact the people you got it from and talk with them about it. In an ideal world OzXodus would set up a way for you to check the authenticity without releasing minor design specs. such as a registration number or something. I am not saying that it was a bad idea to tell people that there are fake chips out there what I am saying is that it was a bad idea to tell the cloners what they did wrong so they don't even have to spend their own time and money to figure out what gives their fakes away. All I am saying is that Team OzXenium could have figured out a more discrete way of dealing with the fakes so as not to do the cloner's work for them...at least then they would stay a step ahead of the cloners.

[ofx210p]

Sorry to add fuel to the fire and lengthen this thread but Cavalierz24 was right in that telling the fakers what they were doing wrong was pretty dumb. If only the scene had only release some details and not all. Afterall it wont take them long to improve their processes !

[Master-Chief]

QUOTE (LepPpeR @ Apr 5 2004, 09:58 PM)

I believe he thinks that by showing what is different it allows the cloners to perfect their errors and make an exact replica of the Legitimate Xenium.

Yes, I understand that. The problem is that the cloners will NEVER have a perfect chip. Its impossible. It will NEVER perform the SAME way. And once someone figures out that their chip is a clone, the site that the chip was ordered from will NOT get any more business!  

[HSDEMONZ]

QUOTE (Be Absentminded @ Apr 5 2004, 08:39 PM)

After seeing the second batch of clones out I was just wondering why is it the Xenium is Faked/Cloned so damn much?  I haven't seen a SmartXX, X-Bit or anything else for that matter cloned yet.  Was something about the design leaked or is it just such a popular chip everyone wants to clone it?  I just wanted to know cause it seems very strange to me that it's the only 4th gen chip that's been faked/cloned. -Jameson

Then you aren't paying enough attention.  We exposed 4 shops selling and distributing Xecuter Clones back in Dec. Granted.. they were 4th gen.. but it was XS that determined that the 4th gen chips.. were 4th gen. If we had said they were 3rd genb chips.. then they'd be in the same chart.

Why is it cloned? It's popular.. and a security issue made it easier than the competition at the moment.  We fully expect other 4th Gen Chips to be cloned shortly. The SmartXX fake rumours are still circulating.

Since Xecuter was targeted before.. it is expected that X3 will also become a target. I imagine though that X3 may be the most difficult xbox chip yet to "clone".

Clone is a poor word.  none of the xbox clone chips.. have duplicated the reliability of the originals.