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[legueux]

Team Xecuter have published a comparison chart here.

But it's me or a lot of features of XeniumOS have been forgotten ?

[Morglum]

Im gonna get the Xenium too, i keep well away from all things Xecuter.


EDIT: Removed comment as this thread got moved into another forum...

[blackbishop]

yeah a lot of features were left out that the x3 can't do  

As for the mem upgrade that's what the SPI port ... offers endless possible hardware upgrades  

[Morglum]

Yeah i read that too and was wondering where half the Xenium features were, then i remembered it was a comparison made by team Xecuter, so that kinda explained everything for me  

[legueux]

Just for make clear, I've nothing against Team Xecuter (I've a X2 Lite) but I think their comparison is too disproprotionate.

[Flagg3]

FYI, this is how the stupid mod wars started when The Matrix was first released and Team Xecuter felt the need to start this crap.

What's truely sad is this quote form Team Xecuters site:
"Other teams have felt the need to publish comparison charts in the past so we thought why not? "

For those of us that are not living on Animal Farm, and can remember what actually happened, know that Team Xecuter was the one who posted an absurd one sided comparison chart, and AFTERWARDS the Xodus Team responded with a just as absurdly one sided chart to show how meaningless they were.  

The really sad part is that I had actually forgotten how much I had started to despise the Xecuter Team when they started pulling that crap.  Just like the other stupid chart they had published, they ding the Xenium for stupid, meaningless features that are available in every BIOS.  

Change Startup colors?
Change fan speed?
Change Power LED colors?

Gimme a break.  Any modchip is fully capable of these features right now.  These are BIOS features, and regardless of whether they are enabled in the XeniumOS or not, they easily could be.  

And of course, half of the comparisons are just plain wrong.  

No Solder Uninstall?
Not that it's a big deal either way, but whether your using the Pogo Pin adapter or the header pin, both of these would be a yes.

EVERY SINGLE SOFTWARE FEATURE listed is B.S., period.  Regardless of whether they are actually in there or not, Team Xecuter has a lot of freaking nerve to say that the XeniumOS, which is still not final - won't have certain features that the NOWHERE NEAR shipping X3 will have?  Any one of the software features that they list could easily be included in both the X3 and the Xenium.  I think it's fair to say that you can't ding a competitor for not including a software feature yet, when you have nothing available right now to compare to.  

The disclaimer: "Note that one or two of the X3 software features may not make it onto the bios in time for the retail release but you can be sure they will be available soon after." only proves the point.  Funny how Team Xecuter gives themselves kudos for features that they plan on someday including in the future, but the ozXodus team gets a big red NO for not shipping with a feature that Team Xecuter doesn't even know if it will be in the shipping version or not!

Very, Very sad.  The way I see it, Team Xecuter doesn't like when someone beats them, and they get really childish and start throwing tatrums when they do.  

When the Matrix shipped, it was better than the X1, which was all that Team Xecuter had out at the time.  They kept bashing and bashing it, saying how crappy it was and how the X2 was gonna kick it's ass.  They kept their mouths shut when the Chameleon came out because it wasn't any better than the X2.  (No worse either mind you, just equal.  Plus it sold nowhere near as well as the X2 so they could live with it.)

Now that the Xenium is coming out, they are back to their old ways.  They can't stand someone beating them and they simply resort to more childish moronic behavior.  

Flagg

[Morglum]

I couldnt have put it better myself Flagg3  

[legueux]

QUOTE (Kazaki @ Jan 9 2004, 03:40 AM)

My only hope is that OzXodus doesn't retaliate in a foolish or childish manner. Please, ignore the chart, ok?  Shut them up by just releasing the ground breaking chip you people have worked hard on. ...Ok, maybe not GROUND BREAKING, but hey.  At least it tries new things instead of adding leds to their external adapter and speeding up the CPLD (what does that do...?) I'm not bashing Xecuter's chips, they're rather good actually.  I'm bashing their tactics at bashing other chips,  it was just uncalled for and I can't seem to find the "X2 vs Xenium" comparison they claimed was posted. Link plz.

I've also searched for this chart X2 vs Xenium and have not find it  

[Flagg3]

QUOTE (legueux @ Jan 8 2004, 10:49 PM)

I've also searched for this chart X2 vs Xenium and have not find it

Has anyone ever seen this chart?  This is the first I've ver heard of it.

Flagg

[BenJeremy]

:::sigh::: well, no matter who started it, it didn't need to continue.

Would XODUS care to comment on their thoughts?

Team Xecuter seems to be lowering themselves into the much again.

Much as I was disappointed by the Xenium "Executed" comment, this chart is a bit disappointing, not so much for it's content, but for the tone and the fact that the X3 is not out yet.

It is an enlightening list of features for the new chips, without some of the BS of the old chip, plus the timing is a hair better (though still a bit close to Christmas).

Overall, the comparison isn't completely fair... the X3 has taken a new approach apparently (it would be interesting to see it in action), though some of the new things are incredibly vague (Enable Debug BIOS? WTF? I've got a Debug BIOS on my X2 Pro and my Chameleon What does this mean?). The other small thing that's a bit messed up is the 256k dedicated BIOS thing... the Xenium is doing the same thing with it's XeniumOS - just that it's using half of the flash for that feature, whereas the X3 has a dedicated ROM.

While I'm sure the Team Xecuter guys are pissing all over themselves in excitement over the X3, they should know, as well as anybody, that unless the chip lives up to the hype that keeps bursting forth - and does it SOON - this chapter will go down in history as a big bust in the scene.  

Overall, it looks like the Xenium is a very nice, competent effort, clearly a "next generation" chip. The X3 looks like a generation further... so comparing them may not be fair at all, anyway. Of course, there are no X3 chips in circulation so it's all hype and speculation at this point.

If nothing else, Team Executer has painted themselves into a corner and now it will soon be time for them to "put up or shut up". I hope it all lives up to the hype (I don't see why not, at this point), but if it take more than a month to deliver, I think they will be fair game for the criticism that will befall them (and all of their own words dredged up).

OzXodus didn't need to take the dig, but it was a small shot. It didn't demand a full broadsides.  

[lamrith]

WELL PUT FLAGG!!

I got the exact same feeling when I saw the chart.  I know NOTHING about mod chips really, other than the comparison chart on this site and misc. write-ups and reviews.  That and the eye opening thread the other day about various xecuter team past issues and actions, then the whole, thisis out last BIOS though we still will sell old chips...  Maybe the fake issue was real, maybe not, I cannot call it either way, but it sure raises eyebrows.

This chart just smacks of pure smelly propaganda, not even worth the bytes it is stored on.  And the fact that X3 does not even have a release date or full featureset 100% finalized makes it even worse.  I PREFFER Softcoded stuff, it is easier to upgrade later!!  Look sat PC's..  Mfg's always release upgraded BIOS to include new HD and CPU compatibility.  Gee I wonder what they could do with that 1mb reserved flash memory??  HRMM  let me think.....

OH I KNOW, MORE FEATURES!!

I will put it quite simply I BADLY want(ed) a mod chip, I was all set to buy a xbit but they are soldout, then I said ok X2lite, found one local, then heard this various BS floating around.  Needless to say,I bought a bottom of the barrel $10 cheapmod to get me thru until something better comes out.  The Xenium looks to be that chip.  Either way I will not buy a Xecuter product.

Quit the mudslinging and get your buts back on the test bench, maybe you would have been 1st to market!!  LESS TALK MORE WORK!

[Jedi_Rainman]

I'll have to say that I will be picking up the Xecuter 3. The Matrix I have has done its job well, but I think it is time for an upgrade. No offense to the Xenium, but look at the chart. Click Here The Xecuter 3 blows it away hands down!

Okay, since the table is so biased, then I'll re-decide once I see the new features that the Xenium has!

[lamrith]

I think the community IS responding for them  heh  hopefully they are viewing this thread and taking our advice.  I di dnot see the previous wars, but the wole thing is stupid as we are all in this together trying to push the Xbox to the limits.

[lamrith]

Yeah that chart is not even a TINY but biased and failing to list xenium features though is it?  I mean yeah you want your chip to look better than the competition that is a given and expected, but dinging a chip because it does not have built in features that are contained in most recent BIOSes, is a bit rediculous...

I just wish the X team would give us more CONCRETE info on features and release date/price rather than playing politics.

[assmonkey]

cheapmod all the way