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[viewwin]

I have tried several different layouts:

Xbox1 on router, xbox2 on wired pc(bridged nic cards)-->works fine

xbox1 on wireless bridge(d-link 810+) to router, xbox2 on wired pc(bridged nic cards)-->works fine

xbox1 on router, xbox2 on wireless pc(bridged nic cards)-->does not work

xbox1 on wireless bridge(d-link 810+), xbox2 on wireless pc(bridged nic cards)-->does not work

I guess that an xbox on a pc that is wireless cannot communicate with other xboxs.  I had this problem with xbconnect when i tried to run it off the wireless computer and it did not see my xbox either.  Does anyone have any ideal what is causing the problems?

[MorfiusX]

EDIT: Double post.

[MorfiusX]

QUOTE (viewwin @ Oct 14 2003, 06:25 PM)

I have tried several different layouts: Xbox1 on router, xbox2 on wired pc(bridged nic cards)-->works fine xbox1 on wireless bridge(d-link 810+) to router, xbox2 on wired pc(bridged nic cards)-->works fine xbox1 on router, xbox2 on wireless pc(bridged nic cards)-->does not work xbox1 on wireless bridge(d-link 810+), xbox2 on wireless pc(bridged nic cards)-->does not work I guess that an xbox on a pc that is wireless cannot communicate with other xboxs.  I had this problem with xbconnect when i tried to run it off the wireless computer and it did not see my xbox either.  Does anyone have any ideal what is causing the problems?

Well from this info, the source of the problem lies some where in the wireless network.
One thing I need to ask is can you ping all Xboxs? Even when it's setup but not working.

[viewwin]

Well, i am able to ping my xbox which is behind the pc on the wireless lan from another computer on the network.  But as soon as i start a game like halo, i can no longer ping it.  Is this normal?  I can access the xbox while on the evox dashboard and ping it then.  But once in games, i can no longer ping either xbox.  This applies to having my connections bridged on my computer.  When the are on ics, sometimes i can't even access my xbox from other computers, only when the connection is bridged.  But like i said, it works fine when the computer and xbox are both on wired lan, just because i run my pc off a wireless card, the xbox will not connect to another xbox, but i know that it does have internet access because i can connect to xbox live from the bridged connection(with wireless) with no problem.

[Rohaq]

QUOTE (viewwin @ Oct 15 2003, 05:40 AM)

Well, i am able to ping my xbox which is behind the pc on the wireless lan from another computer on the network.  But as soon as i start a game like halo, i can no longer ping it.  Is this normal?

Normal, methinks. When you're in EvoX, your Xbox has the software requirements to respond to a ping request. As soon as other software is run, like Halo, all other software (such as the EvoX dash) is unloaded, and you'll get no replies to pings.

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I can access the xbox while on the evox dashboard and ping it then.  But once in games, i can no longer ping either xbox.  This applies to having my connections bridged on my computer.  When they are on ics, sometimes i can't even access my xbox from other computers, only when the connection is bridged.

Bridging connections is like bringing two halves of a network together into one, a bit like a bridge across water, strangely When the bridge isn't there, the two halves can no longer reach each other, and so you won't get any communication between computers on different sides of the network.

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But like i said, it works fine when the computer and xbox are both on wired lan, just because i run my pc off a wireless card, the xbox will not connect to another xbox, but i know that it does have internet access because i can connect to xbox live from the bridged connection(with wireless) with no problem.

Here's where I become a little confused. Are you trying to connect an Xbox straight into a normal wireless adaptor? This won't work, because the Xbox's puny operating system has no drivers for wireless networking. even the recently released wireless adaptor only converts wireless signals into ethernet language (I think). The Xbox may have wireless options, but they probably only communicate with the wireless adapter via the ethernet connection.

Another tip is that network bridging apparently doesn't work on connections that are being shared using the Windows ICS.

If you want more help, try drawing your network layout in Paint or something, so we can get a better idea of what your network looks like.

[viewwin]

QUOTE (Rohaq @ Oct 15 2003, 08:00 PM)

Bridging connections is like bringing two halves of a network together into one, a bit like a bridge across water, strangely When the bridge isn't there, the two halves can no longer reach each other, and so you won't get any communication between computers on different sides of the network. Rohaq Archived User Full Member Posts: 173 One For All You Networking Gurus QUOTE (viewwin @ Oct 15 2003, 08:56 PM) Sorry, i can't get a pic to post for some reason Upload it to some webspace, then use the following: CODE ...and your image will be posted. QUOTE but the lay is simple.  I have a four port router with builtin 11a/b wireless(linksys wrt51ab).  Two computers and one xbox are on the wired ports.  The wireless computer is connected to the router, with a 2nd nic card that has a crossover cable that connects to another xbox in my room.  WIth ics, i can connect to the internet with my xbox, but cannot ftp it from any computer but the wireless pc can ftp with evox.  When i bridged the connects, (disable ics) i can ftp the xbox from any computer on the network.  THe xbox obtains its ip from the router when bridged, unlike ics where my computer gives it a different ip. Either way, i had the same problem with xbconnect.  I could not run xbconnect from a wireless computer, the computer had to be wired to see the xbox. I'm guessing that your network looks something like this then: In which case you cannot bridge a connection that is shared using ICS. Technically you should be able to bridge the connections on the wired computer, and your Xbox will be able to access the net via the router. Justm ake sure that you disable all of the ICS features on your wireless PC. This worked on my network, although I only use wires, and my Xbox could access Live through my router/modem combo with no problems. I haven't got my modchip (just ordered an Xbit from Whitedog, just gotta wait now ) so I can't comment on ftp capabilities in EvoX, but I'm guessing it should work, since the Xbox is just another IP on the network. One possiblity is that you've got the IP wrong, since your automatically assigned Xbox IP will change between when your network connections are bridged and when they are not. MorfiusX Archived User Sr. Member Posts: 347 One For All You Networking Gurus I was just thinking something. You said that you could connect to EvoX? Set up the bridge. Statically assign an IP to the Xbox and fill in the values that the router once assigned. Then try it. The deal with ICS is that it kinda acts like a firewall or proxy. You can set it to forward packet requests to a certian IP. This is done in the ICS advanced properties. ICS uses a scaled down form of NAT to translate your private address to a public one. Although your "public" address is another private address. Rohaq Archived User Full Member Posts: 173 One For All You Networking Gurus QUOTE (MorfiusX @ Oct 15 2003, 11:51 PM) Set up the bridge. Statically assign an IP to the Xbox and fill in the values that the router once assigned. Then try it. The deal with ICS is that it kinda acts like a firewall or proxy. You can set it to forward packet requests to a certian IP. This is done in the ICS advanced properties. ICS uses a scaled down form of NAT to translate your private address to a public one. Although your "public" address is another private address. You can't bridge a connection shared by ICS. If he's using a router, he shouldn't even need ICS. Here's a stupid question: Is your PC with the bridged connections on when you try to connect to Live? XP can't bridge connections if your PC ain't switched on, strangely MorfiusX Archived User Sr. Member Posts: 347 One For All You Networking Gurus QUOTE (Rohaq @ Oct 15 2003, 05:59 PM) QUOTE (MorfiusX @ Oct 15 2003, 11:51 PM) Set up the bridge. Statically assign an IP to the Xbox and fill in the values that the router once assigned. Then try it. The deal with ICS is that it kinda acts like a firewall or proxy. You can set it to forward packet requests to a certian IP. This is done in the ICS advanced properties. ICS uses a scaled down form of NAT to translate your private address to a public one. Although your "public" address is another private address. You can't bridge a connection shared by ICS. If he's using a router, he shouldn't even need ICS. Here's a stupid question: Is your PC with the bridged connections on when you try to connect to Live? XP can't bridge connections if your PC ain't switched on, strangely I didn't say to use ICS and a bridge. I was just giving info on how ICS works. Rohaq Archived User Full Member Posts: 173 One For All You Networking Gurus QUOTE (MorfiusX @ Oct 16 2003, 12:44 AM) I didn't say to use ICS and a bridge. I was just giving info on how ICS works. Gotchya You forgot to mention that ICS also functions as a DHCP server, assigning IPs, so it'll cock up royally if you're using a router, as their DHCP servers clash. Still, ICS shouldn't even be mentioned here; AFAIK, he doesn't need it if he's using a router, as long as his router is connected straight into his DSL connection. viewwin Archived User Newbie Posts: 18 One For All You Networking Gurus QUOTE (viewwin @ Oct 15 2003, 12:25 AM) I have tried several different layouts: Xbox1 on router, xbox2 on wired pc(bridged nic cards)-->works fine xbox1 on ethernet-to-wireless bridge(d-link 810+) to router, xbox2 on wired pc(bridged nic cards)-->works fine xbox1 on router, xbox2 on wireless pc(bridged nic cards)-->does not work xbox1 on ethernet-to-wireless bridge(d-link 810+), xbox2 on wireless pc(bridged nic cards)-->does not work I guess that an xbox on a pc that is wireless cannot communicate with other xboxs.  I had this problem with xbconnect when i tried to run it off the wireless computer and it did not see my xbox either.  Does anyone have any ideal what is causing the problems? Yeah, i know that i can bridge a wired connection and xboxes will play system linked games, xbox live, or ftp files.  When i place an xbox bridged with a pc with wireless lan, the xbox still does xbox live, ftp from any computer on the lan, but the xboxes will not play system linked games.  It is like they do not see each other.  I have tried two different brands of wireless cards with the same results. viewwin Archived User Newbie Posts: 18 One For All You Networking Gurus Also, i ment to point out that when i say ics, i don't have it bridged, i have just tried both methods, a bridged connection method and the ics method that is on xboxscene and MS's xbox website.  Can anyone else with a wireless pc card, a computer, a router, a normal 10/100 nic card, and 2 xboxs can play with it, see if you find the same result. Rohaq Archived User Full Member Posts: 173 One For All You Networking Gurus Check the IPs on both Xboxes when you can't play system link: I'm guessing that they may be in different IP ranges, resulting in them unable to see each other. viewwin Archived User Newbie Posts: 18 One For All You Networking Gurus Nope, ip for xbox1 is 192.168.1.104 followed by the other xbox2 ip of 192.168.1.105.  All assigned by router's dhcp.  Both are fully capable of xbox live gaming, just no system link. Print Pages: 1 [2] 3 « previous next » xboxscene.org forums > OG Xbox Forums > Hardware Forums > General Hardware/Technical Chat > One For All You Networking Gurus   SMF 2.0.19 | SMF © 2021, Simple Machines

[Rohaq]

QUOTE (viewwin @ Oct 15 2003, 08:56 PM)

Sorry, i can't get a pic to post for some reason

Upload it to some webspace, then use the following:

CODE

...and your image will be posted.

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but the lay is simple.  I have a four port router with builtin 11a/b wireless(linksys wrt51ab).  Two computers and one xbox are on the wired ports.  The wireless computer is connected to the router, with a 2nd nic card that has a crossover cable that connects to another xbox in my room.  WIth ics, i can connect to the internet with my xbox, but cannot ftp it from any computer but the wireless pc can ftp with evox.  When i bridged the connects, (disable ics) i can ftp the xbox from any computer on the network.  THe xbox obtains its ip from the router when bridged, unlike ics where my computer gives it a different ip. Either way, i had the same problem with xbconnect.  I could not run xbconnect from a wireless computer, the computer had to be wired to see the xbox.

I'm guessing that your network looks something like this then:


In which case you cannot bridge a connection that is shared using ICS. Technically you should be able to bridge the connections on the wired computer, and your Xbox will be able to access the net via the router. Justm ake sure that you disable all of the ICS features on your wireless PC. This worked on my network, although I only use wires, and my Xbox could access Live through my router/modem combo with no problems. I haven't got my modchip (just ordered an Xbit from Whitedog, just gotta wait now ) so I can't comment on ftp capabilities in EvoX, but I'm guessing it should work, since the Xbox is just another IP on the network. One possiblity is that you've got the IP wrong, since your automatically assigned Xbox IP will change between when your network connections are bridged and when they are not.

[MorfiusX]

I was just thinking something.

You said that you could connect to EvoX?

Set up the bridge. Statically assign an IP to the Xbox and fill in the values that the router once assigned. Then try it.

The deal with ICS is that it kinda acts like a firewall or proxy. You can set it to forward packet requests to a certian IP. This is done in the ICS advanced properties. ICS uses a scaled down form of NAT to translate your private address to a public one. Although your "public" address is another private address.

[Rohaq]

QUOTE (MorfiusX @ Oct 15 2003, 11:51 PM)

Set up the bridge. Statically assign an IP to the Xbox and fill in the values that the router once assigned. Then try it. The deal with ICS is that it kinda acts like a firewall or proxy. You can set it to forward packet requests to a certian IP. This is done in the ICS advanced properties. ICS uses a scaled down form of NAT to translate your private address to a public one. Although your "public" address is another private address.

You can't bridge a connection shared by ICS. If he's using a router, he shouldn't even need ICS.

Here's a stupid question: Is your PC with the bridged connections on when you try to connect to Live? XP can't bridge connections if your PC ain't switched on, strangely

[MorfiusX]

QUOTE (Rohaq @ Oct 15 2003, 05:59 PM)

QUOTE (MorfiusX @ Oct 15 2003, 11:51 PM) Set up the bridge. Statically assign an IP to the Xbox and fill in the values that the router once assigned. Then try it. The deal with ICS is that it kinda acts like a firewall or proxy. You can set it to forward packet requests to a certian IP. This is done in the ICS advanced properties. ICS uses a scaled down form of NAT to translate your private address to a public one. Although your "public" address is another private address. You can't bridge a connection shared by ICS. If he's using a router, he shouldn't even need ICS. Here's a stupid question: Is your PC with the bridged connections on when you try to connect to Live? XP can't bridge connections if your PC ain't switched on, strangely

I didn't say to use ICS and a bridge. I was just giving info on how ICS works.

[Rohaq]

QUOTE (MorfiusX @ Oct 16 2003, 12:44 AM)

I didn't say to use ICS and a bridge. I was just giving info on how ICS works.

Gotchya

You forgot to mention that ICS also functions as a DHCP server, assigning IPs, so it'll cock up royally if you're using a router, as their DHCP servers clash.

Still, ICS shouldn't even be mentioned here; AFAIK, he doesn't need it if he's using a router, as long as his router is connected straight into his DSL connection.

[viewwin]

QUOTE (viewwin @ Oct 15 2003, 12:25 AM)

I have tried several different layouts: Xbox1 on router, xbox2 on wired pc(bridged nic cards)-->works fine xbox1 on ethernet-to-wireless bridge(d-link 810+) to router, xbox2 on wired pc(bridged nic cards)-->works fine xbox1 on router, xbox2 on wireless pc(bridged nic cards)-->does not work xbox1 on ethernet-to-wireless bridge(d-link 810+), xbox2 on wireless pc(bridged nic cards)-->does not work I guess that an xbox on a pc that is wireless cannot communicate with other xboxs.  I had this problem with xbconnect when i tried to run it off the wireless computer and it did not see my xbox either.  Does anyone have any ideal what is causing the problems?

Yeah, i know that i can bridge a wired connection and xboxes will play system linked games, xbox live, or ftp files.  When i place an xbox bridged with a pc with wireless lan, the xbox still does xbox live, ftp from any computer on the lan, but the xboxes will not play system linked games.  It is like they do not see each other.  I have tried two different brands of wireless cards with the same results.

[viewwin]

Also, i ment to point out that when i say ics, i don't have it bridged, i have just tried both methods, a bridged connection method and the ics method that is on xboxscene and MS's xbox website.  Can anyone else with a wireless pc card, a computer, a router, a normal 10/100 nic card, and 2 xboxs can play with it, see if you find the same result.

[Rohaq]

Check the IPs on both Xboxes when you can't play system link: I'm guessing that they may be in different IP ranges, resulting in them unable to see each other.

[viewwin]

Nope, ip for xbox1 is 192.168.1.104 followed by the other xbox2 ip of 192.168.1.105.  All assigned by router's dhcp.  Both are fully capable of xbox live gaming, just no system link.