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[nazis X.]

QUOTE (n1tro @ Apr 30 2003, 07:11 AM)

Anyways, I know if it weren't for Team X-ecuter...the XBOX scene would not be where it is today.

Well, it'd probably be where it is, just not the same. As I've said before, the various Teams developing stuff are very much appreciated by myself and many, many others, Xecuter included. While they have been a little overzelous on the flaming of their 'competitors' in the past, they've cleaned up their act and have shown that they are mature developers, not simply agressive flamers of the other Teams.
That being said, never assume that the world (or, for that matter, a scene) would end because of a single factor being absent. For instance, if they weren't around to crack the v1.1's new encryption, would've someone else have done it? Yeah, in fact, the XBox-Linux Team did also (only for the Cromwell BIOS, however). Would it have been done as quickly? That's up for debate.

[nasis x.]

Ok, nazis X.
lets see what is the true that is behind all this!
It is totally diferent to use a bios on a chip,
than to use a hardware on your console!

I have told it many times in these forums,
that we can't be all Modchip manifacturers and Bios developers...

Because Xecuter team have hacked V1.1 encryption,
this doesn't mean that you have to use their hardware in your console.
If you want to support them, then it is ok,
but don't forget that it is 5V device and it is dangerous playing with it!

They say that they used first the LPC modchips,
and they probably are right,
but this was the advantage to further develope their systems faster than others!
What they did?
They chose to copy pogo-pins and pin headers from Easybuy and cheapmod manifacturers...

For example: X-elixis 3D was the first  programmer for SST49LF020 chips or the most user-friendly one.
After 1500 upgrades with X-elixis systems and with the experience that was gained,
now you can see X-elixis Programmer that can do the same with ALL lpc modchips!
This is xelixis (improvement) that we haven't seen it from xecuter team...

So, Xecuter definatelly have the best bios,
on the worst and most expensive modchip in the market...
Because they have hacked first v1.1 consoles,
this doesn't mean that everything has to freeze here,
and all say Xecuter rocks...

And don't forget that there is a big team that is called EvolutionX!
I haven't heard anything bad for this team,
and for this reason the bigest percentage is using their dashboard!
Also don't forget that Numbnut has released lpcmods for free use,
and now you can see a Great development,
with many diferent modchip solutions available,
that also brought OzXFlasher as a Legal solution!!!

So, forget about xecuter,
cause they offered nothing to me,
as I still use EvoX D6 bios instead...

[frekkle]

QUOTE (nasis x. @ Apr 30 2003, 08:47 AM)

Ok, nazis X. lets see what is the true that is behind all this! It is totally diferent to use a bios on a chip, than to use a hardware on your console! I have told it many times in these forums, that we can't be all Modchip manifacturers and Bios developers... Because Xecuter team have hacked V1.1 encryption, this doesn't mean that you have to use their hardware in your console. If you want to support them, then it is ok, but don't forget that it is 5V device and it is dangerous playing with it! They say that they used first the LPC modchips, and they probably are right, but this was the advantage to further develope their systems faster than others! What they did? They chose to copy pogo-pins and pin headers from Easybuy and cheapmod manifacturers... For example: X-elixis 3D was the first  programmer for SST49LF020 chips or the most user-friendly one. After 1500 upgrades with X-elixis systems and with the experience that was gained, now you can see X-elixis Programmer that can do the same with ALL lpc modchips! This is xelixis (improvement) that we haven't seen it from xecuter team... So, Xecuter definatelly have the best bios, on the worst and most expensive modchip in the market... Because they have hacked first v1.1 consoles, this doesn't mean that everything has to freeze here, and all say Xecuter rocks... And don't forget that there is a big team that is called EvolutionX! I haven't heard anything bad for this team, and for this reason the bigest percentage is using their dashboard! Also don't forget that Numbnut has released lpcmods for free use, and now you can see a Great development, with many diferent modchip solutions available, that also brought OzXFlasher as a Legal solution!!! So, forget about xecuter, cause they offered nothing to me, as I still use EvoX D6 bios instead...

drop dead!

dont you understand everything you say is bullshit?!?!

[BenJeremy]

Well, first off, I'd like to address nasis x.: You are a dumbass. Your product is NOT a programmer. It's a CONNECTOR. It provides no special circuitry to specifically enable programming a flash chip, all of that is already a part of the flash chip itself or from the motherboard, so keep calling it a programmer and I'll be forced to edit your responses for the OBVIOUS FALSEHOODS you are spreading. CEASE AND DESIST.


Now that that unpleasentness is over, I'd like to comment a few more things on the "Mod Wars" (I should write a book about this subject, covering PSX, PS2 and Xbox from a social/scene perspective)... nautiazn85 I don't understand your animosity towards Team Xecutor's inclusion of the "Xecutor2" logo in their BIOS. That's FAR different from "Matrix Inside" for a number of reasons... most important of them is the fact that there really is an Xecutor2 BIOS in the machine, unlike Evo-X's "Matrix Inside" crap. One is about the BIOS, the other is about the mod chip, and there's nothing at all wrong with identifying it as such (In fact, I wouldn't have one word of complaint if Evo-X put "Evolution-X" in their BIOS under the logo).

As for your continuing animosity towards Team Xecutor over their "behavior" with regards to snipy comments, that's just plain silly... Ubergeek and co. have toned it down, sensitive to the reaction of fanboys who took it a LOT more personally than even Team Xodus and the Evo-X crew did. In case you weren't aware, the 'scene', be it PC release crews, PS2 modders or the Xbox scene, is full of this kind of stuff.... like they say, if you have thin skin, this isn't the place for you. Nonetheless, what was said was not targeted for reaction by consumers - therein lies the difference, nor was any of it intended to be intentionally misleading. For that, I award NO POINTS to Team Xodus for their antics, because that is PRECISELY what they did.

As for delays in Xecutor chips... that's just too easy. The original Xecutor didn't take 4 months from announcement to shipping, did it? X2 shipped about a month after it was announced - delayed to change CPLD code, as was well explained at the time, to address customer concerns (as I mentioned). I call that good business.  For Team Xodus, announce-to-ship time is dictated by when such an announcement can hurt the competition, and ship time is 'whenever' - the slips in just the Chameleon's ship dates have taken long enough for 'other' mod chip makers to propose, design, test and ship whole new products. This complaint is laughable when applied to Team Xecutor. Even when the product WAS delayed, there was honest dialogue explaining why.

Your world seems to be painted in black or white, with no room for shades of grey, and once that vision is imprinted in your head, you seem unable to accept any changes, regardless of how much occurs.

I'm certainly always willing to give Team Xodus a chance to prove me wrong. I've said in the past that I merely expect market leaders to innovate in the market, instead of resting on their laurels.  It's taken them 4 months just to catch up... that sure seems like 'resting on their laurles' to me, so pardon me if I'm a bit skeptical. Perhaps when I see more updates to their web pages, more interactivity with their customers, and a willingness to concentrate on their own products, that is, delivering chips to the users, instead of timing mere marketing ploys to hurt their competitors, before I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[mdfirefighter]

Loyalties in the place a crazy!!

I would just like to thank both of the teams for everything they have done for the joe-shmoe xbox owner. They have enabled us to do things we could have never done without them. They have both made contributions and mistakes. I owe these companies and teams thanks becuase without them there would be no mods for normal people like me. Thank you to both! Even if you are at war. And a raging war it is.

MDFF

"War has no winners, only teams that go home and burry the men they have lost."

[nautiazn85]

QUOTE (n1tro @ Apr 30 2003, 06:11 AM)

I believe they are the ones that cracked the XBOX first

In fact, they were NOT the first group to crack the XBOX. It was Team Xtender who did, and Team Enigmah right afterwards. If you're going to flame, get your facts straight. For a person who has been around for "so long" you really need to get your facts straight before posting something.

[nautiazn85]

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Apr 30 2003, 02:02 PM)

nautiazn85[/b] I don't understand your animosity towards Team Xecutor's inclusion of the "Xecutor2" logo in their BIOS. That's FAR different from "Matrix Inside" for a number of reasons... most important of them is the fact that there really is an Xecutor2 BIOS in the machine, unlike Evo-X's "Matrix Inside" crap. One is about the BIOS, the other is about the mod chip, and there's nothing at all wrong with identifying it as such (In fact, I wouldn't have one word of complaint if Evo-X put "Evolution-X" in their BIOS under the logo). As for your continuing animosity towards Team Xecutor over their "behavior" with regards to snipy comments, that's just plain silly... Ubergeek and co. have toned it down, sensitive to the reaction of fanboys who took it a LOT more personally than even Team Xodus and the Evo-X crew did. In case you weren't aware, the 'scene', be it PC release crews, PS2 modders or the Xbox scene, is full of this kind of stuff.... like they say, if you have thin skin, this isn't the place for you. Nonetheless, what was said was not targeted for reaction by consumers - therein lies the difference, nor was any of it intended to be intentionally misleading. For that, I award NO POINTS to Team Xodus for their antics, because that is PRECISELY what they did. As for delays in Xecutor chips... that's just too easy. The original Xecutor didn't take 4 months from announcement to shipping, did it? X2 shipped about a month after it was announced - delayed to change CPLD code, as was well explained at the time, to address customer concerns (as I mentioned). I call that good business.  For Team Xodus, announce-to-ship time is dictated by when such an announcement can hurt the competition, and ship time is 'whenever' - the slips in just the Chameleon's ship dates have taken long enough for 'other' mod chip makers to propose, design, test and ship whole new products. This complaint is laughable when applied to Team Xecutor. Even when the product WAS delayed, there was honest dialogue explaining why. Your world seems to be painted in black or white, with no room for shades of grey, and once that vision is imprinted in your head, you seem unable to accept any changes, regardless of how much occurs. I'm certainly always willing to give Team Xodus a chance to prove me wrong. I've said in the past that I merely expect market leaders to innovate in the market, instead of resting on their laurels.  It's taken them 4 months just to catch up... that sure seems like 'resting on their laurles' to me, so pardon me if I'm a bit skeptical. Perhaps when I see more updates to their web pages, more interactivity with their customers, and a willingness to concentrate on their own products, that is, delivering chips to the users, instead of timing mere marketing ploys to hurt their competitors, before I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Although I do agree with most of your comments, I too find "Your world seems to be painted in black or white." While I admit I may be wrong, as I haven't had time to read all your posts, the majority of posts I've read are all against Team XODUS. I just don't see how you can excuse ALL of Team Xectuer's past behaviors while not doing the same for Team XODUS. I have not seen one post in which you've not taken a strong stance for Team Xectuer.

I actually have no feelings of animoisty towards Team Xectuer, especially since their revampment of their PR battles. I am actually apathetic towards the team, or maybe even respectful to them as a group (By the way N1tro, I DID mean to use the word "apathetic." It's not "big vocab" as you may think, most people recognize it without pulling out dusty ole Webster).

As for all the work Team Xectuer has done and will do, it is undeniable that they have helped further the XBOX community. Saying that, I feel that Team XODUS has also helped further the XBOX community, and I don't understand how one can flame one group and praise another. If anything, this discussion on how respectful we should be to groups shouldn't be occuring, as we should be thankful to all groups that have contributed to the scene.

[mdfirefighter]

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Apr 30 2003, 03:59 PM)

And it's more than loyalties... it's also about skepticism, at least for my part, and I'm usually a pretty optomistic guy.

The only thing is... skeptics should admit when they are wrong. Not saying you are, just in general... people have too much pride here and can NEVER EVER be wrong. Makes for some very hipocritical posts if you read back a while. Optomisim will get us though this, if there wasn't some then there would be no mods at all. But skepticism keeps everyone on their toes, especially the companies.

MDFF

[mdfirefighter]

Wow um.....I guess that proves my point of takeing things wrong. I was totally not talking about you at all, I was just addressing the board. Definetly not a personal attack. Your do a great job at what you do and so does everyone here. Your one of the more knowledgeable people and I commend you. You are probally the one that helps peope out and thats why I'm here, to get help. Please don't take my comments personally, I talk to everyone, I don't make personal attacks, I have NO room to talk at all.

MDFF

[mdfirefighter]

MDFF

[nasis x.]

QUOTE

Well, I do thank both teams for their contributions (also, let's not forget OzXChip's contribution).

QUOTE

At least they aren't pushing cheap mods and flexible PCB connectors as 'programmers'.

Thanks BenJeremy for not including GRmods between hacking teams,
but only to express your bad feelings...
but let me tell you that our hacking team has never had the support from any website,
while we have released first this Christmass (before X2) our product,
and also first this Easter (before Xodus) our next product.
I would like you to know, that GR hacking is one of the strongest market for this perpose,
and back in PSX time, we were third in the consuption of backups in Europe,
in front of UK, Germany, France and other bigger in pupoulation counties from us,
because hacking is not considered illegal!

So, before you tell anything about GRmods,
think that we may be a stronger team with bigger sales than both of them that you are refering to,
and we do bussines with both PS2 and Xbox,
stopping Enigmah from the start, Xecuter and Matrix in our country!

Now, if you still believe that our solution is not worth it,
because we are most concerned in the user-friendly installation than in 1 Mb bios,
then you gonna see in the future how nice plug-ins both of X2 and Matrix team has build for us...

We like to thanks them both of them for their contribution in the scene!

[nazis X.]

QUOTE (nasis x. @ Apr 30 2003, 07:30 PM)

QUOTE Well, I do thank both teams for their contributions (also, let's not forget OzXChip's contribution). QUOTE At least they aren't pushing cheap mods and flexible PCB connectors as 'programmers'. Thanks BenJeremy for not including GRmods between hacking teams, but only to express your bad feelings... but let me tell you that our hacking team has never had the support from any website, while we have released first this Christmass (before X2) our product, and also first this Easter (before Xodus) our next product. I would like you to know, that GR hacking is one of the strongest market for this perpose, and back in PSX time, we were third in the consuption of backups in Europe, in front of UK, Germany, France and other bigger in pupoulation counties from us, because hacking is not considered illegal! So, before you tell anything about GRmods, think that we may be a stronger team with bigger sales than both of them that you are refering to, and we do bussines with both PS2 and Xbox, stopping Enigmah from the start, Xecuter and Matrix in our country! Now, if you still believe that our solution is not worth it, because we are most concerned in the user-friendly installation than in 1 Mb bios, then you gonna see in the future how nice plug-ins both of X2 and Matrix team has build for us... We like to thanks them both of them for their contribution in the scene!

What, exactly, have you contributed to the scene, besides a product designed to rip off people? If you were really "for the scene", you'd sell your CheapMods ($20 without your worthless "3D" PCB) for somewhere close to fair, and not for close to $70.
And I really doubt your product is popular anywhere in the world, even in your home contry. At your prices, it'd be cheaper to import a damn X2:Pro that is sturdier than your "3D Fantasy World" design AND has a 1MB capacity.

[Ubergeek]

QUOTE (nautiazn85 @ Apr 30 2003, 04:31 PM)

QUOTE (n1tro @ Apr 30 2003, 06:11 AM) I believe they are the ones that cracked the XBOX first In fact, they were NOT the first group to crack the XBOX. It was Team Xtender who did, and Team Enigmah right afterwards. If you're going to flame, get your facts straight. For a person who has been around for "so long" you really need to get your facts straight before posting something.

man you are so wrong

you have zero knowledge of the history behind this

enigmah code was demonstrated 2 weeks before xtender had anything finished - it was enigmah code that booted doa3 first - if you must knwo peojectx members were involved in enigmah development

team xtender were a couple of members who went away with a pre of the code to try and make some money on their own. They had Xtender 1.0 2 weeks after enigmah was final on cpld. They still had issues with that and didnt work correctly hence xtender 1.1

they all fell out over money and split up after realising they didnt really know what they were doing

come on bro - get some facts correct. I appreciate your input - I try to answer as much as I can, but when I see someoen posting complete shite it just has to be corrected

[Ubergeek]

QUOTE (nautiazn85 @ Apr 30 2003, 06:44 AM)

Although I don't fully agree with you on the terms of Team Xectuer being "innovative," (I mean when you really think about it, the first Xectuer chip was a knock off of a CheapMod with a PCB built to match the motherboard so that soldering would be supposedly "easier," and the only supposed innovation the Xectuer 2 holds is the 1mbit bios, which the PC-BioXX actually had first). I can't say that Team XODUS has done many "innovative" things either (pardon my words, I'm using your definition of "innovative"). Team XODUS has done similar to what Team Xectuer has, they followed the CheapMod design and added pogo pins, and with their new Chamelon, well that's basically a 1mbit chip just like the rest of the competition out there. I do agree that Team Xectuer did create a few great bios's (which by the way, they too created an idiotic "XECTUER2" logo), but Team XODUS did create the pathway to a packaged programmer for the cheapmod, software controlled bios's, and a new "stealth" mode (okay I agree the stealth mode doesn't sound too amazing). In the matters of delays, it is true that Easybuy2000 and Team XODUS have mislead consumers with their release dates and shipment dates. But so far, that's basically the only problem I've seen. Although Team XODUS's charts DID stretch the truth, I haven't seen a chart in which they've lied either. You can't tell me Team Xectuer has not done the same. First, the Xectuer (original) was delayed, and so was the Xectuer 2. Looking at the software side, the all-mighty  neXgen we saw back at Christmas, has yet to be seen in its full strength (which actually might turn out to be for the better, I'm interested in seeing it when it's DONE, not half done). And... like you said it's all about how you look at it. I too don't like the idea of EasyBuy2000 being the sole distrobuter, but then I don't like the demeanor of Team Xectuer either, especially the methods they use in their PR battles. It's quite dispicable to tell you the truth, and I currently have an apathetic feeling towards them because of it. Their products on the other hand, are quite good. I'd like to leave this note though... First I'm actually quite thankful for Team Xectuer and Team XODUS's work (in addition to Evolution-X Team, Team Assembly, and the many other xbox scene members). We've been fortunate to receive the help of these people, and as far as I'm concerned, I hear too much bitching and whining on this board. That being said, in particular, the battle between Team Xectuer and Team XODUS will be a long lasting battle, but I'm thankful the two are battling it out. It has now given us a $25 full featured mod chip that nearly anybody can afford now. As long as we're progressing, I don't see why anybody should bitch. We're heading in the right direction, and that's all that matters.

now you are REALLY showing your bad memory

Xecuter1 was the FIRST lpc based mod

it came 6 weeks BEFORE any cheapmod was announced (by andy)

We designed the first cpld lpc host driver

not to mention we've designed 99% of all the bios hacks available

we also innovated the first switchable modchip and the first external design

I cant actually believe you question our innovation and input to the scene - in fact its amusing

and for you to say the bootup logo is idiotic - just what the fuck do you do bro ?

its our bios we brand it. It was also there for a reason - to show NOOB installers thats its working without having to boot a disc

and you talk about our marketing - for fucks sake that was back in X1 days - X2 promotion has been flawless with everything going very well with zero issues - we even ask peoples input to how they would like to see the design and we LISTEN TO THEM

if you dont like it I suggest you design your own hardware and bios's

enough talking to you - its a waste of my time, you talk like someone who can do nothing but post idiotic comments but not back them up with any skill or real knowledge whatsoever

[nazis X.]

Uber, I don't mean to flame, but I'm pretty sure that the Cheapmod design was out before the X1 was. In fact, I can specifically remember trying to decide weather to wait for the X1 or just build a Cheapmod.
I know you're trying to stick up for your group, and you're in the right when it comes to most of these statements. And I'm not saying the X1 sucked... I'm just pointing out that I'm almost positive the Cheapmod design was out before it.