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MagamiAKO

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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2003, 08:11:00 AM »

EB2K delivers a Product
EB2K handles returns/exchanges/refunds nicely and hassle free
Xodus gives a chip that the 'masses' can use(no matter how much u dislike it)
Xodus provides a working chip


So they over emphasize a few facts? Making it sound like this hyper 1337 product...SO WHAT..Every possible company does it....

Orange Glo = "With the power of oranges we clean everything! Nothing beats the power of oranges!"
Intel = "Our Netburst architecture will blow you away!"
AMD = "Our Quantispeed architecture helps improve the performance of our processors to smash the competition."

Every single possible company does this and in that sense there is really nothing they've done wrong now is there?
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2003, 08:31:00 AM »

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EB2K delivers a Product

This is where I have to disagree with you the most, and it is really what I'm talking about.  Their constantly changing release dates can be seen as misleading.  They are keeping everybody thinking that the Chameleon is just around the corner, when in fact it could still be weeks or months away.  And they don't even make any attempt to give a reason for the delays.  In my eyes, this is very poor business behaviour.

There's also the question of the mysterious "stealth" feature.  It has since disappeared off their list of features, even though they initially claimed that they had tested it and it was working.  If the chip is released without this feature, it would seem to me like they had seriously mislead people, for the purpose of delaying their purchase of a competing product.  Of course, this remains to be seen.

There is also some doubt surrounding their pricing of $25.  Some believe that they won't be able to release the chip at such a low price, but that they announced that price (along with the super features) to make the chip seem absolutely the best value for money (again, to delay people from buying something else).  This also remains to be seen...

Apart from all of that speculation, I also have dealt with EB2K before, and my experience was a terrible one.  I ordered 50 MatriX chips from them back around Sept, and they promised 2-3 day delivery (once payment cleared).  Well, I finally got the chips in mid-December, almost 4 months after the order date!  During the whole fiasco, my impression of the people in charge was that they were very unprofessional, and unable to run their operations properly.  After that experience, I vowed never to do business with the company again, because I don't believe they deserve my business.

I guess I'll just have to wait and see if they can do anything to change my mind...
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Samara

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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2003, 09:09:00 AM »

I too would like to point out that eb2k took my money and ran 5 months ago.  I still haven't received the 10 chips that I ordered.  For a few weeks I stayed in touch with their "cusomer service" department and they assured me that I would receive a FedEx tracking number "within hours."

I would also like to point out that MagamiAKO is so wildly off base in his statements that reading the posts above brings about feelings of pity and not laughter.  THIS IS NOT BUSINESS.  The companies that you site are not making up features, they are giving creative names to technologies that do exist and that they created. These companies actually ship products and develop their own technology.  They also have a responsibility to their customers and shareholders to insure that every aspect of their business is on solid legal footing.  They cannot participate in false advertising.

Extreme-mods and other companies in our sector actually deliver on what they promise in a timely manner.  You don't need to put up with this bullshit and you certainly can't defend eb2k for their practices.

The bottom line is that any perceived advantage that the Chameleon has over competing chips is completely overshadowed by the sheer incompetence of their distributor.  Even if the Chameleon was revolutionary (it's not) it would still be worth it for me to pay twice as much to a company that I trust for a chip that I knew would actually arrive within half a year.  That's how long I've been waiting for my Matrix's (totally worthless now) and that's how long we've all been waiting for the Chameleon since it was announced.  It's a total joke and anyone who states otherwise is either an idiot or a jackass or both.
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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2003, 01:44:00 AM »

The fact is that they are stealing costumers that would have bought an Xecutor if they had known how long it would take for thier pre-order.  Those of you that don't cancel your pre-orders are enablers.  As long as they keep making money, they will continue thier current practices.  If they didn't give refunds without question they could very easily be sued, so I don't think they should be complimented for it.
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2003, 05:10:00 AM »

it sucks that the company doesn't let costumers know what's going on ....   it has been Dec/Jan that they said the chip was coming out .... Like Xmas Present ... and now it's almost  May ... and still no chip.
If they said ... working on getting a part ... or factory down ... or problem with incompatiabity with v1.2 xbox's ....   or sent the first batch to Reviewers or Testers .... ect....   Let us know what's happening ... but they say nothing and keep giving FALSE dates ... that they know are False! ...because they said ships in Feb, then Mar, the April, now May ... and after first wrong date... they should say ..."we don't know when the F^^^ this chip will Ship ... " .... sorry everyone ...  "but here is what we do know ... part 2124 can't be found ...ect"

And the developers don't help ... they dont update their page ... I think I can remember a New's Year's page that was up for 3 months.... and now a "almost ready to ship to testers" page for 1 month ....   obviously their are problems ...
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« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2003, 09:56:00 AM »

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Apr 29 2003, 06:46 PM)
Ubergeek, thoughts? Will Team Xecutor up the ante? Will X2s see a price drop?

we've already upped the ante wink.gif

these features are old hat to us

its the new ones we're concentrating on as they're more complex

and prices nothing to do with me - i doubt they'd drop as the product is quality and we have a great reputation for that

trust me when i say our next rls is the final wink.gif
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dzv

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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2003, 10:49:00 AM »

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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2003, 01:43:00 PM »

smile.gif SHoudln't they be 'selling' it? They should hire naxis to do their PR, then eveyone would have a Chameleon.
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DMagic1

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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2003, 04:10:00 PM »

What features are still available without modifying your Matrix?
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JaredC01

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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2003, 05:46:00 PM »

According to the info I've heard... it should still be released on the 2nd...

Exactly what do you mean when you say "without modifying your Matrix?"...   Like what features are available with just chameleon, or what features are available on the chameleon if you don't modify your Matrix...?
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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2003, 05:54:00 PM »

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Apr 27 2003, 04:21 PM)
QUOTE (MagamiAKO @ Apr 27 2003, 12:03 PM)
They haven't mislead users. They've never claimed that which the chip could not do. They've simply overemphasized what it can do and they've done it better than the competition. That's not misleading, that's business.

So it's OK in your book to claim to have a feature, then renege on it later...

The new Toyota Camry will have rocket powered Ejection Seats! Later, they don't deliver the feature.

That's OK with you?

That's no different than Chameleon's "Stealth" mode 2.5.

Just out of curiosity, I've been on this board for a while, and while I know you're well respected... I don't understand why you're so biased. What has team X2 done for YOU?
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nautiazn85

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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2003, 06:00:00 PM »

QUOTE (tntomek @ Apr 29 2003, 09:43 PM)
Does TEAM XODUS ever comment here? Isn't it funny how you are asking a person to try to explain his competitions product smile.gif SHoudln't they be 'selling' it? They should hire naxis to do their PR, then eveyone would have a Chameleon.

Well if the competition can claim this is "old news" then we'd like to find out what's the "new" news.

Anyways, Team XODUS doesn't post in here and THANK GOD they don't. There's way too much X2 propaganda on this board. As an installer, I'm extremely annoyed that everybody on this board is so biased to the Xectuer  mad.gif!

I've installed many X2s, and I have to admit it's a good chip. But not good enough to blindly bitch about the Team XODUS team. I don't understand why all of you guys are Team Xectuer's bitches. This includes the moderators of this board ::ahem::.

(Team Xectuer is a fantastic team, don't get me wrong. I'm just sick of how people have became fan boys and bitches, it's quite annoying.)
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nautiazn85

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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2003, 06:50:00 PM »

QUOTE (DMagic1 @ Apr 30 2003, 02:16 AM)
QUOTE (JaredC01 @ Apr 29 2003, 08:46 PM)
According to the info I've heard... it should still be released on the 2nd...

Exactly what do you mean when you say "without modifying your Matrix?"...   Like what features are available with just chameleon, or what features are available on the chameleon if you don't modify your Matrix...?

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+ if you use chameleon as Matrix addon you will have to cut 3 tracks on the matrix and you will have to solder 3 extra wires (a15 , P and E) if you want all features. (note that this is not bad considering the matrix modchip wasn't developed to work with this addon)


Thats what I mean.

According to X-S's review, it seems like the mod chip can be installed either method (stand-alone) and with the matrix, both methods will have the same features.

If you do choose to install the Chemeleon with the pogo pins on the matrix, you will have to cut three tracks and solder three wires.

In the end, if you ask me, I wouldn't even bother with the Matrix mod chip anymore. Either way you still have to solder, so might as well solder the Chemeleon in, it sure as hell would make it a lot more secure (probably soldered in by header pins so that you won't have to bother installation again if there ever happens to be a new chip you want to purchase). The only gain you'll have as being a previous owner of the Matrix is that you'll have an external programmer.
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nautiazn85

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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2003, 09:44:00 PM »

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Apr 30 2003, 04:46 AM)
QUOTE (nautiazn85 @ Apr 29 2003, 09:54 PM)
QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Apr 27 2003, 04:21 PM)
QUOTE (MagamiAKO @ Apr 27 2003, 12:03 PM)
They haven't mislead users. They've never claimed that which the chip could not do. They've simply overemphasized what it can do and they've done it better than the competition. That's not misleading, that's business.

So it's OK in your book to claim to have a feature, then renege on it later...

The new Toyota Camry will have rocket powered Ejection Seats! Later, they don't deliver the feature.

That's OK with you?

That's no different than Chameleon's "Stealth" mode 2.5.

Just out of curiosity, I've been on this board for a while, and while I know you're well respected... I don't understand why you're so biased. What has team X2 done for YOU?

First off, the comment was made when it was thought Team Xodus had made a claim, then pulled it away.

Why do I seem biased? I think it's a perception of those who choose to ignore history.

Personally, I think the Matrix is a GREAT 256k mod chip - but I made it clear a long time ago that I felt 256k would eventually be a dead end, and was already obsolete for developers, who needed 512k capacity for a debug BIOS.

Want to hear history (again, since I KNOW you should have already been well versed with this)?

Team Xecutor had a 1MB chip to market back in December, Team Xodus answered back with a severely misleading chart, that they later claimed was a joke. Sorry charlie, that doesn't fly. Matrix fanboys crowed about how ALL they ever needed was 256k, and they'd be happy. A month later, Team Xodus announces the Chameleon. All of a sudden, Matrix Fanboys have gotten the 1MB religion. In the meantime, the Evo-X crew rleeases a new dash version, with that lame "MAtrix Inside" logo that leads to endless confusion by newbies far and wide. Wonderful, just wonderful! Meanwhile, Team Xodus strings the public along for 4 months on the Chameleon... all the while, their association with Easybuy 2000 proves to be a disaster for their customers (and for them, as well, I'm sure) who sit and stew awaiting Matrix chips that never ship.

Only a short while ago, did the Matrix begin shipping. also, finally, it looks as if the Chameleon will finally ship, after several delays.

So pardon me if I take whatever comes out of the Xodus camp with a grain of salt....

Like I said, for what it is, the Matrix is a great chip. Pogopins are both a bane and a boon, and most certainly, an innovation. The alignment aid is great for 1.0 Xbox owners, but was a source of frustration for more than a few 1.1 owners, due to the slow pace of support from the Xodus camp, plus there were plenty of quality complaints (would have been nice not to have to plug directly into the port, after removing nuts from the programmer's connector)

The Chameleon? My basic impression at the moment is that it is a nice, cheap 1MB chip, but the jury is still out on the stealth mode, which I suspect may not do what people think it will (perhaps the source of the delays and it's disappearance from the feature lists?). $25 is pretty cheap... the role as a Matrix add-on seems pointless, given the work involved, but it works fine as a standalone, so why bother with pogos now? The big questin, however, is where is the innovation? Like I said, the only thing I see is the "Stealth" mode and who knows what that will actually accomplish. Everything else is basically a 1MB modchip like we've had for 4 months already.

Forgive me if I feel like I'm dealing with a sweaty palmed, hair-gelled used car dealer whenver I see anything out of the Xodus camp.

...meanwhile, the Xecutor camp has learned from their past mistakes and continues to deliver new products. Did I say mistakes? Sure.... their biggest fault was hype, but unlike Xodus' targeted and timed marketing attacks, The Xecutor faction has really been far more guilty of overenthusiasm. Remember the 1-wire mod? It's still copied by many cheapmods. It wasn't what we thought, but it was all true, and was still an innovation. The X2 Pro and Lite? They delayed the Pro to make it better for developers after myself and others carped about the BIOS configuration. I get direct feedback about my suggestions and comments from them. Ubergeek, their annointed spokesman, is pretty helpful (if frustrated at times) and often is modchip-agnostic with some of his responses here, unlike a certain Greek modchip purveyor.

Yeah, I have respect for Team Xecutor. They don't sit on their asses or get tied up with exclusive deals involving companies with shaky reputations. They don't post questionable, misleading information on their official web site, and they certainly wouldn't post that targeted at a specific competitor or timed to hurt their business.

It's funny that Matrix fanboys wail about a comment or two by Ubergeek, but from what I've seen, he speaks the truth. He's not trying to convince you of anything, just offering up a perspective from another modchip developer. Outside of the messy "dual boot" incident (the fallout of which may yet happen), he's even apologized for misinterpreting some events, and commended other chip makers for innovations (like OzXFlash).

At least they aren't aloof and distant from their customers.

If I was an Xecutor fanboy, I wouldn't be considering the purchase of a Chameleon, nor would I recommend it to others, yet I am and have, but it doesn't come without some reservations - of which I have NONE when recommending an X2 - it's not being a fanboy, it's just a matter of who I feel is being a straight shooter based on their past actions.

I'd first like to thank you for your eloquent response. It was actually stimulating to read (which I can't say about the millions of other posts on this board).

Although I don't fully agree with you on the terms of Team Xectuer being "innovative," (I mean when you really think about it, the first Xectuer chip was a knock off of a CheapMod with a PCB built to match the motherboard so that soldering would be supposedly "easier," and the only supposed innovation the Xectuer 2 holds is the 1mbit bios, which the PC-BioXX actually had first). I can't say that Team XODUS has done many "innovative" things either (pardon my words, I'm using your definition of "innovative"). Team XODUS has done similar to what Team Xectuer has, they followed the CheapMod design and added pogo pins, and with their new Chamelon, well that's basically a 1mbit chip just like the rest of the competition out there.

I do agree that Team Xectuer did create a few great bios's (which by the way, they too created an idiotic "XECTUER2" logo), but Team XODUS did create the pathway to a packaged programmer for the cheapmod, software controlled bios's, and a new "stealth" mode (okay I agree the stealth mode doesn't sound too amazing).

In the matters of delays, it is true that Easybuy2000 and Team XODUS have mislead consumers with their release dates and shipment dates. But so far, that's basically the only problem I've seen. Although Team XODUS's charts DID stretch the truth, I haven't seen a chart in which they've lied either. You can't tell me Team Xectuer has not done the same. First, the Xectuer (original) was delayed, and so was the Xectuer 2. Looking at the software side, the all-mighty  neXgen we saw back at Christmas, has yet to be seen in its full strength (which actually might turn out to be for the better, I'm interested in seeing it when it's DONE, not half done).

And... like you said it's all about how you look at it. I too don't like the idea of EasyBuy2000 being the sole distrobuter, but then I don't like the demeanor of Team Xectuer either, especially the methods they use in their PR battles. It's quite dispicable to tell you the truth, and I currently have an apathetic feeling towards them because of it. Their products on the other hand, are quite good.

I'd like to leave this note though... First I'm actually quite thankful for Team Xectuer and Team XODUS's work (in addition to Evolution-X Team, Team Assembly, and the many other xbox scene members). We've been fortunate to receive the help of these people, and as far as I'm concerned, I hear too much bitching and whining on this board. That being said, in particular, the battle between Team Xectuer and Team XODUS will be a long lasting battle, but I'm thankful the two are battling it out. It has now given us a $25 full featured mod chip that nearly anybody can afford now. As long as we're progressing, I don't see why anybody should bitch. We're heading in the right direction, and that's all that matters.
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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2003, 10:11:00 PM »

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P.S. If you are "apathetic" towards team X-ecuter, then why are so clearly expressing your opinions on their behavior?? Because we all know the definition of apathetic right??  That being..."Feeling or showing a lack of interest or concern; indifferent."  Nobody here would use big words just to sound smart would they??  rotfl.gif
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