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[nautiazn85]

QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Apr 30 2003, 10:29 PM)

QUOTE (nautiazn85 @ Apr 30 2003, 04:31 PM) QUOTE (n1tro @ Apr 30 2003, 06:11 AM) I believe they are the ones that cracked the XBOX first In fact, they were NOT the first group to crack the XBOX. It was Team Xtender who did, and Team Enigmah right afterwards. If you're going to flame, get your facts straight. For a person who has been around for "so long" you really need to get your facts straight before posting something. man you are so wrong you have zero knowledge of the history behind this enigmah code was demonstrated 2 weeks before xtender had anything finished - it was enigmah code that booted doa3 first - if you must knwo peojectx members were involved in enigmah development team xtender were a couple of members who went away with a pre of the code to try and make some money on their own. They had Xtender 1.0 2 weeks after enigmah was final on cpld. They still had issues with that and didnt work correctly hence xtender 1.1 they all fell out over money and split up after realising they didnt really know what they were doing come on bro - get some facts correct. I appreciate your input - I try to answer as much as I can, but when I see someoen posting complete shite it just has to be corrected

As always, I'm speaking in terms of the general public Ubergeek. I cannot speak from your perspective, the "inside" perspective, and I have no facts to argue with in terms of who created their source code first.

In terms of actual release dates. Team Xtender DID release their chip to retailers before Team Enigmah did as far back as I remember. When I say "release" I'm talking about source code, production, and finally availability of the chip, in which case Team Xtender released their chip first. I do agree that Team Enigmah was the first to demonstrate the ability of their chips to the public under real-life conditions, but from the public point of view, we were able to purchase the Xtender first.

Although Team Enigmah may have announced a hack beforehand, there was NO "CODE" that was released to the public at the beginning to prove that Team Enigmah indeed did have the source code first. A source code did come out at a later time (after retailers had began to sell the chips); The source code was first pulled directly from a retail chip (hacked), and later released by both Team Enigmah and Team Xtender. From there we spawned many Enigmah and Xtender clones.

I cannot comment on the quality of either chips, as I did not own either one. I was able to get a copy of the bins for both Team Enigmah's and Team Xtender's chip, and I used it to program chips that I installed on my own XBOXes. It was soon after that, that I was able to grab a copy of Team Evolution-X's bios with the hard drive hack, and later installed a bios from Team Xectuer which I currently use today (which I have to admit was the most stable bios I have tested to date).

As far as my comment, I still stand by it, as n1tro had mistakenly stated that the FIRST mod chip was created by Team Xectuer (your team), which was NOT the fact. Also please do not take me wrong Ubergeek, I have no feelings of animosity towards you, contrary to what other members on this forum say, I actually find both your products and your software to be of top quality. With that being said, I am only participating in this thread because I have seen a sudden burst of Team XODUS flaming which I have found un-called for. If there was flaming of Team Xectuer, I would do the exact same thing for you.

[nautiazn85]

QUOTE (Ubergeek @ Apr 30 2003, 10:54 PM)

QUOTE (nautiazn85 @ Apr 30 2003, 06:44 AM) Although I don't fully agree with you on the terms of Team Xectuer being "innovative," (I mean when you really think about it, the first Xectuer chip was a knock off of a CheapMod with a PCB built to match the motherboard so that soldering would be supposedly "easier," and the only supposed innovation the Xectuer 2 holds is the 1mbit bios, which the PC-BioXX actually had first). I can't say that Team XODUS has done many "innovative" things either (pardon my words, I'm using your definition of "innovative"). Team XODUS has done similar to what Team Xectuer has, they followed the CheapMod design and added pogo pins, and with their new Chamelon, well that's basically a 1mbit chip just like the rest of the competition out there. I do agree that Team Xectuer did create a few great bios's (which by the way, they too created an idiotic "XECTUER2" logo), but Team XODUS did create the pathway to a packaged programmer for the cheapmod, software controlled bios's, and a new "stealth" mode (okay I agree the stealth mode doesn't sound too amazing). In the matters of delays, it is true that Easybuy2000 and Team XODUS have mislead consumers with their release dates and shipment dates. But so far, that's basically the only problem I've seen. Although Team XODUS's charts DID stretch the truth, I haven't seen a chart in which they've lied either. You can't tell me Team Xectuer has not done the same. First, the Xectuer (original) was delayed, and so was the Xectuer 2. Looking at the software side, the all-mighty  neXgen we saw back at Christmas, has yet to be seen in its full strength (which actually might turn out to be for the better, I'm interested in seeing it when it's DONE, not half done). And... like you said it's all about how you look at it. I too don't like the idea of EasyBuy2000 being the sole distrobuter, but then I don't like the demeanor of Team Xectuer either, especially the methods they use in their PR battles. It's quite dispicable to tell you the truth, and I currently have an apathetic feeling towards them because of it. Their products on the other hand, are quite good. I'd like to leave this note though... First I'm actually quite thankful for Team Xectuer and Team XODUS's work (in addition to Evolution-X Team, Team Assembly, and the many other xbox scene members). We've been fortunate to receive the help of these people, and as far as I'm concerned, I hear too much bitching and whining on this board. That being said, in particular, the battle between Team Xectuer and Team XODUS will be a long lasting battle, but I'm thankful the two are battling it out. It has now given us a $25 full featured mod chip that nearly anybody can afford now. As long as we're progressing, I don't see why anybody should bitch. We're heading in the right direction, and that's all that matters. now you are REALLY showing your bad memory Xecuter1 was the FIRST lpc based mod it came 6 weeks BEFORE any cheapmod was announced (by andy) We designed the first cpld lpc host driver not to mention we've designed 99% of all the bios hacks available we also innovated the first switchable modchip and the first external design I cant actually believe you question our innovation and input to the scene - in fact its amusing and for you to say the bootup logo is idiotic - just what the fuck do you do bro ? its our bios we brand it. It was also there for a reason - to show NOOB installers thats its working without having to boot a disc and you talk about our marketing - for fucks sake that was back in X1 days - X2 promotion has been flawless with everything going very well with zero issues - we even ask peoples input to how they would like to see the design and we LISTEN TO THEM if you dont like it I suggest you design your own hardware and bios's enough talking to you - its a waste of my time, you talk like someone who can do nothing but post idiotic comments but not back them up with any skill or real knowledge whatsoever

As "nazis x" stated, from the "public's" point of view, we had saw the CheapMod readily available much earlier than the Xectuer 1. I'm extremely sorry if I'm incorrect, but we, the public, were not able to see what happened in the background, and therefore were did not know that you guys had hacked the LPC bus before anybody else had. I only know what has been said by everybody not on the "inside" and the word was Andy had created the first cpld LPC bus driver beforehand. I'm extremely sorry if I'm incorrect on this point, and I would like to retract my statement and apologize if it does turn out that you are correct.

As far as the bios issue, I would have to disagree that you guys have created 99% of the bios hacks available. I believe that number was GREATLY exaggerated (I would approximate it to be about 40% of the total hacks available, but I would not be certain unless I had the time to sit down calculate it).

As far as the first switchable mod chip, I agree that you guys did create that first. I don't question your innovation, I just don't understand how others on the forum can question other teams innovations.

As far as the comment on the boot up logo, it was a comparison between your "Xecuter2" logo and Team Evolution-X & Team XODUS's bootup logo "Matrix Inside" which was added to a "special version" of one of Team Evolution-X's dashboards (there were two versions available, one with the "Matrix Inside" logo and one without. Both had the exact same features and version number). I did not like the "Matrix Inside" logo either, and if it helps, I too call that logo "idiotic." If you say the logo was for "NOOB" installers, I am sure there were many other methods of accomplishing the exact same thing (for example, changing the color of portions of the booting sequence), without forcing users to keep the "Xectuer2" logo.

I speak of your marketing in a past tense. I hated the tactics you guys had used in the past, and I am glad you acknoledge the mistake. I too agree that your latest promotion tactics are a bit more well mannered, and much more respectable.

Please Ubergeek, do not misunderstand my intentions. I do not in any way want to attack Team Xectuer, I am merely stating the similarities between your team and Team XODUS. It is because you guys are so well respected, and also have had your own share of mistakes, that I hope the users of this forum will do the same for Team XODUS.

By the end of the day, competition is the fuel of our economy. At $25 a pop, and with all its features, I really don't understand why ANYBODY is complaining about the Chameleon. It's a fantastic value.

[n1tro]

QUOTE (nautiazn85 @ Apr 30 2003, 03:31 PM)

QUOTE (n1tro @ Apr 30 2003, 06:11 AM) I believe they are the ones that cracked the XBOX first In fact, they were NOT the first group to crack the XBOX. It was Team Xtender who did, and Team Enigmah right afterwards. If you're going to flame, get your facts straight. For a person who has been around for "so long" you really need to get your facts straight before posting something.

 Its you who don't know what the hell you are talking about!  Just because you have more posts than me, thats doesn't mean you know shit.  I'm the older member here! I've forgotten more stuff before you even realized the XBOX could be modded.  There's wisdom in age!  Bahhahahahaha.  Stick to doing "installs" please.  And please don't speak on behalf of the "public" or make statements based on "public knowledge".  If Ubergeeks says 99% of hacked bios were from X-ecuter....then take it as the gospel and don't try to recalculate the percentages with your "public knowledge" logic     Also, if  Ubergeek says X-ecuter first cracked the XBOX code, then, guess what??... they did it!  You're hearing this from the horse's mouth dude so show some respect.  Follow the scene from Februrary 2002 and then install a bare beta Enigmah chip as your first mod...and then about 1000 XBOX mods later....we'll be on the same playing field.  

[nautiazn85]

QUOTE (n1tro @ May 1 2003, 05:27 AM)

QUOTE (nautiazn85 @ Apr 30 2003, 03:31 PM) QUOTE (n1tro @ Apr 30 2003, 06:11 AM) I believe they are the ones that cracked the XBOX first In fact, they were NOT the first group to crack the XBOX. It was Team Xtender who did, and Team Enigmah right afterwards. If you're going to flame, get your facts straight. For a person who has been around for "so long" you really need to get your facts straight before posting something.  Its you who don't know what the hell you are talking about!  Just because you have more posts than me, thats doesn't mean you know shit.  I'm the older member here! I've forgotten more stuff before you even realized the XBOX could be modded.  There's wisdom in age!  Bahhahahahaha.  Stick to doing "installs" please.  And please don't speak on behalf of the "public" or make statements based on "public knowledge".  If Ubergeeks says 99% of hacked bios were from X-ecuter....then take it as the gospel and don't try to recalculate the percentages with your "public knowledge" logic     Also, if  Ubergeek says X-ecuter first cracked the XBOX code, then, guess what??... they did it!  You're hearing this from the horse's mouth dude so show some respect.  Follow the scene from Februrary 2002 and then install a bare beta Enigmah chip as your first mod...and then about 1000 XBOX mods later....we'll be on the same playing field.

You can blindly follow whomever you'd like. You choose your own god, if Ubergeek is your god, then so be it. I'm not saying he's a bad guy whatesoever. In fact, I'm actually very glad he's here to help in this forum. As for you... well... ::cough cough:: perfect example of an Xectuer fan boy ::cough cough::.

As far as your comments about being part of this forum, when you joined the forum means nothing. Yep nothing. Just for your information, I've been part of the scene much earlier than you think (through IRC channels, different forums such as ISONEWS, etc.). In fact, I've been constantly part of the scene since day one (when I pre-ordered 3 xboxes for MS's release date, November 15, 2003, broke them open and released some pictures of the insides). I just chose to join X-S's forum much later because at first I didn't think I had enough time to participate.

I admit, I haven't had much progress in hacking the XBOX myself, and it is for that reason that I commend people and groups like Bunnie, Andy, Team Xtender, Team Enigmah, Team Evolution-X, Team Assembly, and yes even Team Xectuer  

[nasis x.]

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QUOTE Thanks BenJeremy for not including GRmods between hacking teams, but only to express your bad feelings... its because your "team" isn't a team at all! all you do is rip other peoples idea and slap on a well above average premium price tag on it

You are wrong,
we brought Plug&Hack installation, that can replace Nevrosys systems,
providing with the cheapest solution!
We brought the first programmer for Xbox, with minimum cost!
We have the cheapest solution, with the most available features,
and of course with user-friendly and safe installation!
Thanks goes to Illialex and the scientist: 7 hours to develope Lusifer mod,
Baggelis: 25 Hours to build everything in GRmods,
Evolution-X for releasing these usefull tools,
and the teacher (Numbnut) for releasing cheapmods!

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QUOTE then you gonna see in the future how nice plug-ins both of X2 and Matrix team has build for us... it's likely that they will never build "support" for you in the future or ever

Both X2 and Xodus, has based their future on a bigger bios support,
while we chosen to support LPC Bus with Plug&Hack installation.
When bigger bios is not needed, we are the winners,
cause we give extra features for future, with cheaper price!

QUOTE

QUOTE So, before you tell anything about GRmods, think that we may be a stronger team with bigger sales than both of them that you are refering to, and we do bussines with both PS2 and Xbox, stopping Enigmah from the start, Xecuter and Matrix in our country! didn't greece have laws against gaming that was erected nearly a year ago?

GReece is a place where you buy a console to hack it,
and if it isn't hacked, you dont buy it!
I have a BIG advertaisment in the newspaper saing that,
I hack both consoles from ALL regions!
I have visited UK before 3 years to continue PSX hacking,
and this place sucks in hacking things...
You couldn't even report in the yellow pages where you live,
what is your phone number and stuf like this...
We do everything clear, and many teams are selling Backups in the yellow pages,
with their home phone number accesible!
I don't do backups...

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QUOTE but let me tell you that our hacking team has never had the support from any website, wonder why

We never asked for support,
to finish what we have announced on perpose,
in the thread "MS's Big Plan"

Live Hacking cooming soon...by GRmods

You are ALL welcome to participate,
to upgrade Xbox Hacking on a 3rd Dimensional Level,
building togather the next X-elixis Plug-In!
Add your personally wanted features,
test the progress of the design Live with your X-Programmer development tool,
and finally receive the final product in 15 Days time!

cooming soon ...!

[Ubergeek]

[Ubergeek]

QUOTE (nasis x. @ May 1 2003, 08:38 AM)

Live Hacking cooming soon...by GRmods

Well as you have zero technical knowledge of the xbox, I doubt this statement - as all your others isnt worth a shit

however if you do anything with XBL you will kill and fuck it up for genuine xbl users

you could kiss XBL good bye and fuck it up for the entire scene

this is another example of how anti-scene and full of shit you are

[nasis x.]

Xbox Hacking Live,
is meaning that we will develope the next Plug-In OnLine,
with 100 and more beta testers of X-elixis Programmer,
with easy Plug&Hack actions!

We gonna use only GRmods products,
that will be our sponsor.

I am not an expert in electronics as you say,
and I may fail in the online development of Xtension Switch,
so I expect that other expert hackers may help in the design!
Of course you are also welcome to help and express you personal opinion,
and if things go well, I hope to find the time to add some extra features,
that beta testers will add and any other that is interested!
The all project will last 1 week for development,
1 week for building it and 3 days for shipment to all users that wish to have it!
I am talking about beta testers because they will have the needed hardware to fallow with as the development day by day...

As you said that you like to leave Xecuter name over any hardware,
I would also like to leave an extra port available for further development,
compatible with ALL other hardware with X-elixis name written!
And this name will be tenderly written on the back of the console, Externally !!!

So, Xbox Hacking Live means, that users will have the chance to get a hardware add-on,
that they will personally design (!),
build on the features that users would like to see!
I don't want to Hack Xbox Live as in my country is not active,
but if anyone want to hack it, he will probably can,
as he can add features to the final product that will come from Xbox Hacking Live!

[frekkle]

for the last time nasis x. DROP IT AND STOP
MAKING A FOOL OUT OF YOURSELF

YOU ARE NOT A HACKER
YOU ARE NOT A DEVELOPER
YOU ARE NOT A MODCHIP MAKER
YOU ARE NOT SKILLED IN ANY WAY
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HACK LIVE ON ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES AN IQ OF 10 TO FIGURE OUT
AND YOU ARE SURTAINLY NOT 3D!!!

XELIXIS IS A PIECE OF PLASTIC! FACE IT!
ITS NOT A PROGRAMMER
ITS NOTHING BETTER THAN A CHEAPMOD WITH A PINHEADER
ITS A WASTE OF MONEY AND TIME!

SAVE YOUR ENERGYNOW THAT YOU ARE GROWING OLD!

[bagel5009]

^^^^^^ perfectly rite

[nautiazn85]

QUOTE (Ubergeek @ May 1 2003, 10:01 AM)

nautiazn85 I can understand you are taking this from a public perception im just giving you the facts as they are bro and team enigamh split up and formed team xecuter - just so you know that yes we were the original crackers re current mods - I would never bash the chameleon - it looks nice, its cheap, had good development in put from evox - its easybuy i disagree with - not team xodus re the bootup logo - yes the evox matrix inside was lame as it was embeed into the dash which was zero to do with the bios - i.e. ppl with xecuter mods or cheapmods or pcbioxx were getting this - so of course thats really crappy - however xecuter2 meant you had an xecuter2 bios - no matter what hardware you were using. apart from historical confusion you have some good inpout - keep it up, we're listening

I thank you then for clearing things up. I have always questioned whether members of Team Enigmah had joined Team Xectuer, it is until now that you have finally verified it (before it was just a rumor that I could not base as a fact).

I also thank you for the "inside" perspective of things, and your historical timeline of how things happened. It had not occured to me that there might be a parallel time line, one of the public's point of view, and one of the developer's point of view until yesturday. I thank you once again for clearing all this up.

I would also like to mention that although Team Evolution did include a logo embedded into their dashboard, that they did release another version of the dashboard without the embedded logo (the version I use). Users who don't like the logo should download the dashboard without the embedded logo.

Fourth, I would like to mention that the Xectuer 2 series chip (especially the pro) are amazing chips and I thank you for bringing them to the market. As a member of the scene, and an installer, I would like to think that I've seen and been through a lot. I can proudly say that for now, the Xectuer2:Pro is indeed my favorite chip to install, and the most full featured one on the market. Although I do believe that you can lower the pricing, I do have a faint understanding of economics, and I understand that it is best to charge what the market can bare (thus realizing more profits) at this current time. Because in the future, you will probably have to lower the prices in order to compete with other companies in the market.

Last of all, as far as the Chameleon, the jury is still out. Most of us don't own the chip yet but at least we now know that it DOES exist. It is in my opinion, that unless prices are lowered by competing companies (especially companies that offer 1mbit chips), that the Chameleon may as well be the best value on the market when it is finally released. Of course, the public will just have to sit back and watch to see if anything does occur in terms of pricing  .

[nautiazn85]

I'm not going to criticize nasis just yet. If there was one thing in life that I learned, it was not to criticize others so quickly as you have yet to see what they will do in the future. I do agree that most of his posts are just blabber currently, and that his current products are WAY overpriced.

What probably will be best is if we have only one person comment about his lies in his posts (instead of 50 million), so that newbies won't buy his products, and then just ignore him until he does create or say something useful.

[BCfosheezy]

I'll criticize nasis... because I have read many of his misinformed posts and experienced his copycat chip based on marketing ploys and I can tell you that he's a moronical bastard.

Also, on Easybuy's website they moved the date to may 9.

[Ubergeek]

QUOTE (nautiazn85 @ May 2 2003, 01:31 AM)

Although I do believe that you can lower the pricing, I do have a faint understanding of economics, and I understand that it is best to charge what the market can bare (thus realizing more profits) at this current time.

well i dont have anything to do with the pricing - the mods sell from factory actually very cheap - and the retailers make their (deserved) margin

However if you dont do it like this - you are tied to only one or maybe two retailers instead of dozens globally

This equals cheaper Shipping Costs, More Consumer Choice, Better Support

We've all seen how damaging just haveing one exclusive retailer can be - i'm not going down that path.

I dont believe people buy my products becuase they are cheap - they buy them becuase they are quality. I'm sure X2 will lower in price once X3 is released - that is natural progression. But dont expect any of my mods to be $25. It would be impossible to cover overheads (factory costs / staffing / packers / admin / Returns Testers / Retailer margins / technical Support / New developments) - the list goes on and on - people have no idea how big an operation this is if you are developing - and how much it actually costs.

Time will tell

[nautiazn85]

QUOTE (Ubergeek @ May 2 2003, 02:19 AM)

QUOTE (nautiazn85 @ May 2 2003, 01:31 AM) Although I do believe that you can lower the pricing, I do have a faint understanding of economics, and I understand that it is best to charge what the market can bare (thus realizing more profits) at this current time. well i dont have anything to do with the pricing - the mods sell from factory actually very cheap - and the retailers make their (deserved) margin However if you dont do it like this - you are tied to only one or maybe two retailers instead of dozens globally This equals cheaper Shipping Costs, More Consumer Choice, Better Support We've all seen how damaging just haveing one exclusive retailer can be - i'm not going down that path. I dont believe people buy my products becuase they are cheap - they buy them becuase they are quality. I'm sure X2 will lower in price once X3 is released - that is natural progression. But dont expect any of my mods to be $25. It would be impossible to cover overheads (factory costs / staffing / packers / admin / Returns Testers / Retailer margins / technical Support / New developments) - the list goes on and on - people have no idea how big an operation this is if you are developing - and how much it actually costs. Time will tell

I actually do understand where you're coming from this time as I did produce my own CheapMods in the past. It was a grueling and time consuming task, and for the price that I sold them at ($16) and the support I gave to customers, I had found that it just wasn't worth it . In that cause, I do feel that Team Xectuer does deserve a profit, and if I were you guys, I wouldn't lower the price a single penny unless competition forced me to.