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Chameleon sounds great, all the features, 1 mb bios space and all, for only 25 bucks!

I mean, its 3 bucks more than a cheapmod, but you get the 1 mb space. It almost sounds too good to be true.

I'm really looking forward for this baby.

[Ubergeek]

why

1MB flash is $1.80

256k Flash is $1.25

to build this mod costs around $5-$6

The only reason it is cheap is because you will only have one wholesaler - and that is easybuy

at the end of the day you get what you pay for - not just product but service too

[darylzero]

Its an add on to the MAtrix chip.  You can't just buy the Chameleon by itself.

[BCfosheezy]

How come xecuter lite is like $40 then? They should be about 12-20 dollars because they have just about the same thing as the chameleon.

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The only reason it is cheap is because you will only have one wholesaler - and that is easybuy

This is true that easybuy is the matrix and chameleon monopoly. It should be marked up as much as the xecuter then shouldn't it.
Since Xecuter has different sellers in competition it stands to reason that they would be in a price cut war with each other and lower their prices, not be in a deadlock. Since the flash chip and pcb and all that only cost 5-6 dollars why don't you tell the resellers to lower the prices? I know you say you don't have any controll over that and who am I to say otherwise but you are the genius behind this chip so there might be some way you could influence that. The next thing you'd probably say is that chameleon doesn't compare to your chip so you don't need to waste your time. Remeber this guy's post. He like many other matrix fanboys are sold on this chip so you can't really sit back and say it's not an issue. You know this deep down in your heart or you wouldn't have wasted your time posting in this thread.

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at the end of the day you get what you pay for - not just product but service too

Well if my xecuter 2 lite has a 1 meg flash and there's nothing about it that's better than chameleon then it's 5-6 bucks to make too. ( It can't be over 10 to make so this can't be that far off. If it is don't get mad at me for being wrong. Be mad at whoever chose such expensive parts... since you know that chameleon is so cheap you shoulda got yours that cheap too.) So let's just say to make profit it's marked up to $20 for the chip itself. That's still like 20 bucks for service. Since this is the case where's my handjob?

The only thing easybuy really does wrong is to let people pre order. If they acted like the chip didn't exist until they have them fully stocked there wouldn't even be an issue.

[BCfosheezy]

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Its an add on to the MAtrix chip. You can't just buy the Chameleon by itself.

You might want to test your reading for comprehension skills son. You CAN buy this chip by itself. It works as a standalone too.

[Ubergeek]

QUOTE (BCfosheezy @ Apr 17 2003, 04:01 PM)

How come xecuter lite is like $40 then? They should be about 12-20 dollars because they have just about the same thing as the chameleon. QUOTE The only reason it is cheap is because you will only have one wholesaler - and that is easybuy This is true that easybuy is the matrix and chameleon monopoly. It should be marked up as much as the xecuter then shouldn't it. Since Xecuter has different sellers in competition it stands to reason that they would be in a price cut war with each other and lower their prices, not be in a deadlock. Since the flash chip and pcb and all that only cost 5-6 dollars why don't you tell the resellers to lower the prices? I know you say you don't have any controll over that and who am I to say otherwise but you are the genius behind this chip so there might be some way you could influence that. The next thing you'd probably say is that chameleon doesn't compare to your chip so you don't need to waste your time. Remeber this guy's post. He like many other matrix fanboys are sold on this chip so you can't really sit back and say it's not an issue. You know this deep down in your heart or you wouldn't have wasted your time posting in this thread. QUOTE at the end of the day you get what you pay for - not just product but service too Well if my xecuter 2 lite has a 1 meg flash and there's nothing about it that's better than chameleon then it's 5-6 bucks to make too. ( It can't be over 10 to make so this can't be that far off. If it is don't get mad at me for being wrong. Be mad at whoever chose such expensive parts... since you know that chameleon is so cheap you shoulda got yours that cheap too.) So let's just say to make profit it's marked up to $20 for the chip itself. That's still like 20 bucks for service. Since this is the case where's my handjob? The only thing easybuy really does wrong is to let people pre order. If they acted like the chip didn't exist until they have them fully stocked there wouldn't even be an issue.

Hi bcfosheezey

Well its $40 cus its worth that for starters - and yes I have no control over what sellers sell for. At the end of the day there are hundreds of sellers - so everyone has the luxory of going to a local dealer - getting fast delivery and great support. i suppose this is also what they pay for.

Sure the price will come down - thats just how any market works. but to have one product tied to one dealer - who really does have the worst pre / current and post sales service is not really a good idea. This isnt my opinion as i dont have anything to do with easybuy - this is the opinion of easybuy customers.

I also didnt compare my product to chameleon. Sure its good with nice features, but you're all debating on something not even tried and tested yet - a little premature perhaps.

you are correct in saying i'm not interested in them at all - i have my own product to deal with. X3 is the ultimate in xbox mod technology and will onve again push development to places not acheived or attempted before. this has been our goal in the past and remains our goal for the future.

the reason i posted here was to show noobs that the difference between 256k and 1mb is virtually nothing. What they should be now asking is - if its nothing why wasnt it 1MB in the first place ? But of course we all know the answer to this.

I look forward to competition - it makes things healthy and pushes new boundries in technology - only one winner at the end of the day and thats you guys

now im outta here - i have new hardware, software and a new bios im in the middle of developing

[Ubergeek]

QUOTE (darylzero @ Apr 17 2003, 04:01 PM)

Its an add on to the MAtrix chip.  You can't just buy the Chameleon by itself.

yes you can

you really should read before posting  

[nautiazn85]

QUOTE (darylzero @ Apr 17 2003, 03:01 PM)

Its an add on to the MAtrix chip.  You can't just buy the Chameleon by itself.

Yes you can. It can be installed as a stand-alone chip.

[nautiazn85]

QUOTE (Flagg3 @ Apr 18 2003, 03:15 AM)

Ubergeek, While I respect your work immensely I can't say that I always agree with some of your postings.  In all honesty, you really can't be objective when posting about a competing chip, so your opinions on any other modchips really need to be taken with a grain of salt. All I can say is that I am happy that Team X-ecuter and the Xodus team are both capable of making such great chips, because we definitely wouldn't have the innovation we have now without the both of you. The X2 Pro is currently the absolute best modchip on the market today.  If the Chameleon ever actually does ship then it will be a great alternative to the X2 Pro at half the price.  If that spurs a price war or better yet, even more innovation put into the X3, then all the better for the rest of us! Say what you will about Team Xodus, but without them I firmly believe you never would have been pushed to make the X2 as great as it is today, and I also think that the Chameleon will push you into making the X3 the ultimate modchip on the planet, bar none.  (Especially if the new features you've been hinting at are what I think they are!) Flagg

I don't think it could be better put... you've spoken on behalf on a majority of fan base.

[frekkle]

one thing is a fact

Chameleon tops all chips on every angle atm

Price = very cheap
features = everything a user needs and more
installation methods = pin header, wires, direct to LPC, solderless adaptors, matrix piggy back
flash = 1 meg (multi bios) software controllable
all the features are listen on http://www.xodus-chip.com

yes its cheaper
as for the support you get from it, have you guys ever seen the Xodus support?

[BCfosheezy]

Alright... I'm sorry I got this started...
Ubergeek I hope you know I wasn't trying to flame you.... as a matter of fact I feel so bad I volunteer to beta test any and all of your new stuff...   (bios, or even neXgen)

(Easybuy will start nextdaying chips before that happens huh Uber? )

Well anyway... I don't want to piss of that genius behind xecuter.

And oh yeah I'm not really into leaking copies either Just in case....

Everyone that reads this... he's not gonna do it so don't you ask him too... it's gonna turn into a request thread now... damn...
anyway sorry Ubergeek.

[Ubergeek]

QUOTE (Flagg3 @ Apr 18 2003, 04:15 AM)

Ubergeek, While I respect your work immensely I can't say that I always agree with some of your postings.  In all honesty, you really can't be objective when posting about a competing chip, so your opinions on any other modchips really need to be taken with a grain of salt. All I can say is that I am happy that Team X-ecuter and the Xodus team are both capable of making such great chips, because we definitely wouldn't have the innovation we have now without the both of you. The X2 Pro is currently the absolute best modchip on the market today.  If the Chameleon ever actually does ship then it will be a great alternative to the X2 Pro at half the price.  If that spurs a price war or better yet, even more innovation put into the X3, then all the better for the rest of us! Say what you will about Team Xodus, but without them I firmly believe you never would have been pushed to make the X2 as great as it is today, and I also think that the Chameleon will push you into making the X3 the ultimate modchip on the planet, bar none.  (Especially if the new features you've been hinting at are what I think they are!) Flagg

Hi Flagg

Firstly thanks for replying

I also appreciatee your comments on X2 PRO - however our development on that had zero to do with matrixx or Team Xodus. This was simply a cheapmod with pogos sso its not like we had aanything to base on really (apart from the pogo adapter of course nut that was sold via public opinion not from a quality point of view - but you all know where I stand with pogos hehe)

The X2 PRO was pushed because of the nice BIOXX design. We simply took their idea of PC programming aand took it further. So its BIOXX that deserves the credit for that one.

and X3 already had all the features of chameleon - they were the easy ones to implement. Its the others that are taking the mosst time for us - its has 2 completely new chipsets that have nothing to do with the flash rom or LPC (well one of them USES the lpc just not for what its currently used for )

I appreciate you saying i cant be objective - but seriousley I do try to be. You have to remember we developed first bios hack, first lpc hack - so itss really everyone elese work that is based on ours - not the other way around, but I suppose it is true that if we were the only ones then we probably wouldnt be working as hard as we are right now - but thats part of the fun I guess

Like ive said before you all win as you get the choice of three great mods on the market (X2, nitroxx, Matrix/Cham). So of course its our job to make ssure we stay ahead of the game - which i'm sure you ddon't mind us ddoing heh

anyway back to work - thanks again for posting - its nice to get quality feedback these days

[Futura]

Thank God the shipping date is still set at april 24. I would love to see some testresults, because at the moment I'm good solderles mod for my Xbox.

[Lordscr]

QUOTE (Mage @ Apr 20 2003, 08:46 AM)

Well I wouldn't call that a fact, but you can call this a fact, the chip isn't shipping yet, so it cannot be the best chip.

I wouldn't say that, hey its human nature to be exited about things, and every chip to come out had a hand full of ppl saying how great the chip is weeks before it made it out.

Another thing, I'm sick of hearing ppl slamming ppl and calling them matrix fanboys. Then see the same person saying else where on the board talking up the Xcuter making them selves look like a bigot.

[Mage]

QUOTE (Lordscr @ Apr 21 2003, 08:06 AM)

QUOTE (Mage @ Apr 20 2003, 08:46 AM) Well I wouldn't call that a fact, but you can call this a fact, the chip isn't shipping yet, so it cannot be the best chip. I wouldn't say that, hey its human nature to be exited about things, and every chip to come out had a hand full of ppl saying how great the chip is weeks before it made it out. Another thing, I'm sick of hearing ppl slamming ppl and calling them matrix fanboys. Then see the same person saying else where on the board talking up the Xcuter making them selves look like a bigot.

Ah, so you reply here, yet you didn't reply in the other thread that was talking directly TO you.
We all know how you feel about Ubergeek and his people, well if people don't, they should read your first messages on this board.