Topic: Chamaleon And Its Uses (Read 240 times)

BenJeremy · « **on:** February 03, 2003, 04:16:00 AM »

Actually, I thought, when seeing the poll fromthe forum, that there would be something like "Use it to flash other people's systems"

Because, frankly, I'd probably use it that way - to pop into a system and flash their TSOP, since the threory is that there's no jumpers or soldering involved with the add-on.

I think if it's that easy, a LOT of people are going to do it. I also fear many will advertise that they are putting modchips into people's systems, but it will only be a TSOP flash (and of course, the Xbox is thusly non-XBL compatible). We already see disreputable shops doing that.

Satan00 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2003, 04:40:00 AM »

i would smash it in many pieces.

Jacob · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2003, 05:48:00 AM »

You mean its $25 and it works as a standard chip?

Isnt $25 cheap for a mod like that? not that I am complaining but it seems to good to be true

Please let me know, I am planing to mod my box in a months time
and I dont want to buy something that is not worth it!!!

BenJeremy · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2003, 06:13:00 AM »

QUOTE (Jacob @ Feb 3 2003, 09:48 AM)

You mean its $25 and it works as a standard chip?

Isnt $25 cheap for a mod like that? not that I am complaining but it seems to good to be true

Please let me know, I am planing to mod my box in a months time
and I dont want to buy something that is not worth it!!!

Somehow, I'm thinking that while it will work as a stand-alone, they will charge a bit for the wiring harness (it **WILL** need some sort of wiring harness as a standalone).

...but who knows. They still seem to be a LONG way off, since there isn't even an image of a prototype, let alone an ETA.

I understand we'll be able to buy 1st class tickets on a flight to the moon, too, but I'd be foolish to hold my breath waiting for it.

BenJeremy · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2003, 07:02:00 AM »

QUOTE (methadone_pretty @ Feb 3 2003, 10:55 AM)

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Feb 3 2003, 01:16 PM)

I think if it's that easy, a LOT of people are going to do it. I also fear many will advertise that they are putting modchips into people's systems, but it will only be a TSOP flash (and of course, the Xbox is thusly non-XBL compatible). We already see disreputable shops doing that.

could you not flash the TSOP with both the modded and reatil BIOS and then add a switch to switch between them.

I seem to remember a tut on XS about switching between BIOS' on the TSOP - but the site is down atm, so i cant check :/

You could, but most shops most likely will not.

A Matrix/Chameleon that can flash the TSOP without a bit of solder or conductive grease means that a LOT of lazy mod shops are going to sell "mods" for US$50 or more and simply spend ten minutes bolting it in, flashing, and removing the thing. We already see people doing that with conductive grease.

I feel that it will be a vast minority that would bother soldering in switches, or leaving a retail BIOS for the user to do it. Kind of defeats the purpose of having a mod shop to the work if they don't do it properly, eh?

BenJeremy · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2003, 07:07:00 AM »

QUOTE (methadone_pretty @ Feb 3 2003, 11:05 AM)

yeah - some people are out there just to rip people off tho

i'll confess, when i saw about TSOP flashing with the chamaleon without soldering i straight away thought about buying one just to flash other peoples TSOPs - however, i'd actaully let them know what i was doing and give them the option of a switch

Me too. I'd hook up some friends of mine.... once they understood the implications of flashing the TSOP.

Personally, I'm leery about doing it, just because screwing up the flash is bad news (requires a lot of work to fix)

obiwan · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2003, 03:32:00 PM »

ETA 28 FEB!!!

I guess all we need now is some pics

kkattfish · « **Reply #7 on:** February 03, 2003, 03:36:00 PM »

QUOTE (obiwan @ Feb 3 2003, 03:32 PM)

ETA 28 FEB!!!

I guess all we need now is some pics

it's from easybuy, so i'll believe it when i see it.

telo{+} · « **Reply #8 on:** February 03, 2003, 09:22:00 PM »

I'm VERY disappointed with you benjeremy...... you seemed to know what your talking about but latley everything you say about the addon is eigther bullshit or biased to a degree that makes me think your dog choked on a matrix chip

"(it **WILL** need some sort of wiring harness as a standalone)."

I doubt it, I'm betting it will require somthing or other to hook it up to the matrix, but alone it is more likley that it will not require anything, (ie a 1meg lpc flashrom that is set up for a pin header)

"(and of course, the Xbox is thusly non-XBL compatible). "

um... no, my tsop is flashed and my box is XBL compatible. methadone_pretty is right, and i know this because I have multibios setup and live works great on my box. (and YOU of all people should know that for now this work fine and that a 1meg crc check of the running bios is not what ms is looking for... they just want you to use Orig bios, even if it is just 256k of it)

"They still seem to be a LONG way off"

You dont know they're a long way off. It seems to me (if i were them) they might have decided to release news AFTER they knew they could supply the demand and avoid another eb2k fiasco

Now... I'm no fanboy; All my chips are 29 wire homebrew... but I know people listen to you and watching you spread shit about the addon just isnt cool

smokeingit · « **Reply #9 on:** February 03, 2003, 09:40:00 PM »

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Feb 3 2003, 04:07 PM)

QUOTE (methadone_pretty @ Feb 3 2003, 11:05 AM)

yeah - some people are out there just to rip people off tho

i'll confess, when i saw about TSOP flashing with the chamaleon without soldering i straight away thought about buying one just to flash other peoples TSOPs - however, i'd actaully let them know what i was doing and give them the option of a switch

Me too. I'd hook up some friends of mine.... once they understood the implications of flashing the TSOP.

Personally, I'm leery about doing it, just because screwing up the flash is bad news (requires a lot of work to fix)

Just like the excuter 2pro... that bitch was said to come out along as time ago and they are barly sending shit out.... they kept changing dates on it... but i guess it does exist

warbeast · « **Reply #10 on:** February 04, 2003, 03:00:00 AM »

just want 2 say i have flashed all my m8s xboxs about 15 so far and nicked all the eeproms i love the matrix

frekkle · « **Reply #11 on:** February 04, 2003, 10:48:00 AM »

Only difference I am going to use it as an addon

nautiazn85 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 04, 2003, 03:52:00 PM »

QUOTE (BenJeremy @ Feb 3 2003, 12:16 PM)

Actually, I thought, when seeing the poll fromthe forum, that there would be something like "Use it to flash other people's systems"

Because, frankly, I'd probably use it that way - to pop into a system and flash their TSOP, since the threory is that there's no jumpers or soldering involved with the add-on.

I think if it's that easy, a LOT of people are going to do it. I also fear many will advertise that they are putting modchips into people's systems, but it will only be a TSOP flash (and of course, the Xbox is thusly non-XBL compatible). We already see disreputable shops doing that.

Actually I've personally done a TSOP flash and logged onto XBLIVE, you just need to add the TSOP switch, and have retail bios, +other bios's, you can log onto XBLIVE fine with the retail bios. Many people come to me requesting I do this because it's cheaper for them (they don't have to buy a chip).

The Chamelon is also suppposed to be a pin header installation or a wire installation by itself, and a wire-less installation with the matrix from what I understand. This doesn't mean that it'll need a wire adapter at all (it may, but it doesn't mean it's required). Only the Executer Team does something like that (requiring a wire adapter). You can simply have 9 bare solder points that customers can solder from the chip pcb to the board. Where's the "wire adapter" in that?

I am GUESSING the chip will somehow make use of the female pin header on the original matrix, and have a male pin header that goes into it (kind of the way the programmer connects to the matrix), and somehow disable the matrix and go through the Chamelon for it's bios. If not, it would still somehow need to disable the matrix, and connect to the bare solder points on the top of the chip (the points opposite to the pogopins, the ones that many have been using to solder a matrix to their board using wires or a pin header), and somehow securely attach itself to the old chip. This would allow it to be a "solder less add-on." These are the only viable solutions that I can think of.

In addition the ETA date for the Chamelon is FEB. 28, 2003 on easybuy2000.com

Please tell me if any of this information is incorrect, but this is what I have been told.

nautiazn85 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 04, 2003, 04:08:00 PM »

QUOTE (obiwan @ Feb 4 2003, 11:20 PM)

if by any reason this mod is a great option for installers

cheap and nasty

yeeep... i can't wait

.

telo{+} · « **Reply #14 on:** February 04, 2003, 04:43:00 PM »

no benjeremy replies

strange for someone with 2000 posts no?

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