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Sheriff

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« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2002, 05:58:00 PM »

ohmy.gif Okay, I got everything soldered and put into place, flashed the new bios and booted up in mode 3 with the ground on. Everything worked great! I started the flash of the tsop and it was about half way through and then just stoped? Now when I fire it up nothing happens the light just flashes red and amber very fast?
I am thinking the tsop got messed up and I am now screwed for this nice feature? The Matrix still boots fine if I reflash it with a normall bios.
Any suggestions would be great! blink.gif

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gurux_2

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« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2002, 06:33:00 PM »

first post and went into bios flashing? thats odd!


just try it again
do the process again
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Sheriff

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« Reply #32 on: November 10, 2002, 07:58:00 PM »

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I get the xbox working off the matrix running evox2.5 256k bios with no trouble.
Once I have it running in mode 4 I flashed the matrix with the evox_matrix_tsop_flash.bios and then shut down. Fliped over to mode 3 and turned it back on and all I get is red and amber flashing very fast?

Is it possible if you mess up the tsop during a flash you can erase it and try again? All I can think of is the tsop is messed up.

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ZildjianKX

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« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2002, 10:47:00 PM »

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opjose

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« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2002, 05:32:00 AM »

Ok I did it myself.

To begin with, it works.

I had not had the opportunity to try a Matrix before, and I was a bit worried about the pogo pins, so I decided to try the TSOP flash in the hopes of removing the Matrix.

After viewing several photos of Matrix installations AFTER the chip was removed, I can understand why it has so many problems and why the pogo pins are NOT a good idea.

Solder is relatively soft and maleable. The Matrix attempts to imbed the pins INTO the solder with the pressure exerted by the screw.

Over time the solder will bend (actually it melts a little) to give way to the pins. This results in the indentations you see after removing the Matrix. It also explains why people are having problems with the chip not working after some time goes by. The solder has "moved out of the way" so to speak of the pins reducing contact. Ugh not good.

Anyway it took 3-5 flash attempts before the Matrix Flashing "took" on my P4 850EMV motherboard. The flash verified fine as well. I flashed using the TSOP flash bin released yesterday.

I created a Evolution-X 1.8.2813 HD install disk with the EvoX 2.5, blue, err, ybox bios I made using FanCBox from the EvoX2.5 release bin.

On this disk I had also copied a 4034 rev level setup from another machine as I was also attempting a hard disk install at the same time.

The disk was created using RecordNowMax in data mode. I verified that it would boot on two older machines before proceeding.

I utilized a "pin point" 12 watt Weller soldering iron. These irons are MUCH smaller than the pencil and pen point irons most of you are using. The tip litterally IS a pin point in size.

With this iron there is little chance of lifted rings or traces as the heat is simply too low. Along with this I use low temperature solder as an added safety measure.

I bridged the jumper without problem by tinning the iron and letting the solder "bubble" a bit. After this I scraped off any excess leaving the tip of the iron shiny. This left just enough solder on the iron to easily bridge the jumper points.

Likewise I used the same technique to affix the wires to the rather tiny rings.

It helps to have a large lighted bench magnifying glass while doing this.

I purposely used as little solder as possible on the ground wire as I knew I would be removing it as soon as I was done.

Aligning the Matrix without the LED proved to be a bit of a chore and it took me about seven attempts to discover the proper strength and alignment.

I found that I had to tighten the mod chip down MUCH TIGHTER than I expected given the plastic base, but yet not enough to ruin the plastic itself. With insufficient torque the Matrix would not properly contact the grounding point next to the smiley face on the chip.

Newbies be aware of this. It must be firmly affixed but you must be very careful as you'll be on the verge of breaking the plastic post. Ugh.

The Xbox booted to the solid red LED on the matrix as I held the ground wire on the screw. The voltage is about 5v or so, so there is no problem of shock holding it by hand.

I let go of the ground wire and my previously created CD booted right up.

Selecting the Bios Flashing item identified the bios as a Hyndai chip an it proceeded to erase the bios. I had a bit of trepidation at this point as I was worried that maybe this particular Xbox might not be able to read the bios file from the CD.

I've never have had the problems everyone reports with CD reads as I always use DVD-R's that have behaved flawlessly. This time things were no different as the flashing completed succesfully and the Xbox shut itself off.

I unpluged the cord, removed the Matrix, reconnected and booted the Xbox with the now blue "X" logo from my HD Prep CD.

So far so good!

I quickly removed the old hard drive and replaced it with a brand new WD 1200DJ drive, again rebooted from the CD and let the HDPrep run.

This took about 5 minutes and included transfering the contents of the other identical Xbox to the hard drive. After it was finished I selected the fix attributes command and let it run.

Finally I ran boXplorer from the CD which I had added to the HDPrep CD's Menu to run from the DVD, and used it to rename the Evolution-X dashboard to yboxdash.xbe.

Upon a reboot I had a ready to go Xbox with a flashed TSOP and no mod chip to burden it electrically, or that would be knocked out of alignment.

The Matrix went into a anti-static bag awaiting a future date with another Xbox.

Completion Times

Flashing Matrix & Verification: 6 minutes
Wiring Xbox: 1hr 20mins as I dismantled it complete and verified all points.
Installing Matrix: 30 minutes of screwing around learning the proper setup.
Swapping drives: 20 minutes which included prepping the new drive using the CD

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DairyDevil

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« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2002, 11:08:00 AM »

Hi!

The question was (kind of) raised earlier in this thread but never answered:What happens if I borrow my friends Matrix and manages to screw up the original BIOS?
Or is the question not applicable i.e. as long as the Matrix is working I just flash until it is uploaded correctly in the TSOP?

Also is it possible to restore the old original BIOS in the TSOP, and in that case do i need to have the matrix temporary installed again?

Sorry if I'm raising stupid questions and thanx for answers /DD
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« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2002, 11:22:00 AM »

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opjose

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« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2002, 01:21:00 PM »

QUOTE (Havok @ Nov 11 2002, 06:22 PM)
If you screw up your onboard TSOP you can not fix it with a matrix...

need at 29 wire chip to reflash the onboard bios...

Opjose -- Yep dont own a matrix so wouldnt have thought of it in detail but yeah creep  would be a bitch with solder under heavy pressure...

I think thats what made me go into science when I was little... people telling me that Glass is actually a liquid and stuff.. wink.gif

                                    LOL.

Yes glass and plastics....

Anyway yes, this is the first time I used a Matrix and I can see why Pogo pins are NOT a good idea.
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opjose

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« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2002, 01:25:00 PM »

QUOTE (knowledgeiv @ Nov 11 2002, 03:44 PM)
QUOTE (opjose @ Nov 11 2002, 12:32 PM)
I utilized a "pin point" 12 watt Weller soldering iron. These irons are MUCH smaller than the pencil and pen point irons most of you are using. The tip litterally IS a pin point in size.

Hey, opjose, would you mind letting us know where you got this.  It sounds like a really good tool for this job; I wouldn't even attempt this with the soldering iron I have now.

                                    It's an old Weller gun that I picked up a few years ago for about 15.00.

It's become my preferred iron for SMD work as the tip and length are so tiny.

The length of the iron is about the width of a soda straw (the metal part of the iron) and the handle is turquoise about the width of a pen.

I don't have a part number as it is unlabeled. But I know it's a Weller.

I have not seen it listed on the web though I have seen one other similiar iron by another company (red handle).

The tip really is a PIN point and the iron makes my other Pencil Irons look huge by comparison, let alone the "standard" sized irons which look monsterous!
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opjose

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« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2002, 01:27:00 PM »

QUOTE (DairyDevil @ Nov 11 2002, 06:08 PM)
Hi!

The question was (kind of) raised earlier in this thread but never answered:What happens if I borrow my friends Matrix and manages to screw up the original BIOS?
Or is the question not applicable i.e. as long as the Matrix is working I just flash until it is uploaded correctly in the TSOP?

Also is it possible to restore the old original BIOS in the TSOP, and in that case do i need to have the matrix temporary installed again?

Sorry if I'm raising stupid questions and thanx for answers /DD

                                    In ALL cases:

Screw up a TSOP burn and the only fix is a 11/29 wire mod chip.

So don't plan on going around and flashing everyone's Xbox with a single Matrix!
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Zziggy00

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« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2002, 01:56:00 PM »

Now this might be another total newbie question but, can all the wires be removed after flashing or just the T1 wire?
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Havok

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« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2002, 03:14:00 PM »

You can flash the TSOP with Evox from then on....

everytime increasing your change of screwing up the on board bios...
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ZildjianKX

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« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2002, 03:22:00 PM »

Do you guys think the Xecuter 2 will have more effective pogo pins that don't ruin the xbox over time?
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opjose

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« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2002, 04:40:00 PM »

QUOTE (2000ache @ Nov 11 2002, 11:38 PM)
QUOTE (opjose @ Nov 11 2002, 12:32 PM)
Solder is relatively soft and maleable. The Matrix attempts to imbed the pins INTO the solder with the pressure exerted by the screw.

Over time the solder will bend (actually it melts a little) to give way to the pins. This results in the indentations you see after removing the Matrix. It also explains why people are having problems with the chip not working after some time goes by. The solder has "moved out of the way" so to speak of the pins reducing contact. Ugh not good.

Are you saying the Matrix is damaging the Xbox ? If so, can this be to the extend of rendering the xbox permanently unusable ?

FYI, I didn't need to apply THAT much pressure / tork.

                                    No it is UNLIKELY that this is damaging the Xbox.

The solder "gives" though causing the continual problems people are seeing.

The only fix is to screw things down yet tighter. Ugh.
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opjose

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« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2002, 04:43:00 PM »

QUOTE (ZildjianKX @ Nov 11 2002, 10:22 PM)
Do you guys think the Xecuter 2 will have more effective pogo pins that don't ruin the xbox over time?

                                    The V1.1 xboxes seem not to have solder in the holes, for the most part.

I'm hoping that their new mod chips will take advantage of this.

If the pins are properly milled, they can be made to fit right in the unsoldered holes eliminating the problems that the Matrix chips have.

Of course you could also solder the Matrix in, but, ugh why?

The TSOP flash via the Matrix worked for me, so (as long as it doesn't screw up!) this is a better alternative.
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