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[Zziggy00]

QUOTE (Zziggy00 @ Nov 11 2002, 08:56 PM)

Now this might be another total newbie question but, can all the wires be removed after flashing or just the T1 wire?

                                    any answer to this opjose (take it easy on me )

[majik655]

1.  What or how does things go wrong when flashing ON board bios.
If you can get it connected or aligned correctly and it boots up...why would or how does something screw up while flashing on board?  

2.  If something does happen while flashing on board ... you are screwed ?
You HAVE to get 11/29 wire mod and wire for flashing ??
You CANNOT just flash the matrix on PC and run off that indefinently ??
I know that might suck but things would still work right?
And if that is the case WHY CAN YOU NOT just try again ?
Because you have to have TSOP intact while booting?  ( I think I answered my own question...just re assurance)

3. If you have everything soldered ...  
Why can't you use test mode to see if it is aligned?  Is it because the wiring/soldering screwed up the test mode ? so it shows red or something?
But in MODE 2 it is ok ?  (someone has stated he flashed matrix with err.noani.  then connected in mode 2 to line up..then switched to mode 3.)
Why mode 2?  We know this is bad sinse it can screw up matrix.

I hope these make sense.. Some are just to reassure I understand.

THANK YOU

[majik655]

QUOTE (Zziggy00 @ Nov 11 2002, 11:59 PM)

QUOTE (Zziggy00 @ Nov 11 2002, 08:56 PM) Now this might be another total newbie question but, can all the wires be removed after flashing or just the T1 wire? any answer to this opjose (take it easy on me )

                                    And about your question..

Why do you care?  Are you going to leave the matrix IN when your onboard tsop is flashed?   Why?  (just cuz?) well then you can do anything you want to the matrix.  hell you could just leave it a board with a screw in it...

Now if you leave it in with wires...  Someone else already left the wires on except the T1 ground.  and everything works fine.  But Why ?  You still have to go in if you want to do anything.


My question also is Why or how can you keep flashing the onboard bios through evox with NO mod chip or wires connecting anything?
How does it flash .. after you remove the matrix ?  Or are you not supposed to,  and supposed to leave the wires intact except the ground?
Is that how it is able to keep flashing on board?

[Zziggy00]

QUOTE (majik655 @ Nov 12 2002, 01:08 AM)

QUOTE (Zziggy00 @ Nov 11 2002, 11:59 PM) QUOTE (Zziggy00 @ Nov 11 2002, 08:56 PM) Now this might be another total newbie question but, can all the wires be removed after flashing or just the T1 wire? any answer to this opjose (take it easy on me ) And about your question.. Why do you care?  Are you going to leave the matrix IN when your onboard tsop is flashed?   Why?  (just cuz?) well then you can do anything you want to the matrix.  hell you could just leave it a board with a screw in it... Now if you leave it in with wires...  Someone else already left the wires on except the T1 ground.  and everything works fine.  But Why ?  You still have to go in if you want to do anything. My question also is Why or how can you keep flashing the onboard bios through evox with NO mod chip or wires connecting anything? How does it flash .. after you remove the matrix ?  Or are you not supposed to,  and supposed to leave the wires intact except the ground? Is that how it is able to keep flashing on board?

                                    I ask this because I want to attempt to do this on my Xbox (and if successful many others) but I don't want the wires to be permanent if they don't have to be.

I'd like to tape the wires in place, flash the tsop, and then remove the matrix and wires so it CAN'T be flashed again unless i replace the wires or install a different chip.

This prevents me (or more importantly the people i do it for) from trying to re-flash their bios and causing problems for themselves and also me.

I don't know if the wires are required to stay for some reason, so i'm asking if it's alright if they are all completly removed after the TSOP is flashed.

And to answer one of your questions...
If you F' up the TSOP when you flash it, you can still flash your Matrix with a Bios and use it, but if you take the Matrix Out your Xbox Won't Boot  

[majik655]

QUOTE (Zziggy00 @ Nov 12 2002, 01:20 AM)

And to answer one of your questions... If you F' up the TSOP when you flash it, you can still flash your Matrix with a Bios and use it, but if you take the Matrix Out your Xbox Won't Boot

                                    Hey Thanks for replying..btw hope I didn't sound rude to you..wasn't meaning to..

Anyway ... you say you can reflash the matrix and use it.. I figured that...

But why can't you do the same process again?

Am I missing something?  Like maybe the on board TSOP HAS to be able to boot to be able to flash it like this ??

Or you are NOT screwed , because you can just do it again ??

I thought I keep reading .. if you screw or only half flash your on board .. there is no fix to flash it...  only a 11/29 wire mod..  if so WHY ?  

I am also assuming .. You must keep the wires on (except the ground) to be able to REflash over and over ??  You cannot take out the mod and flash again correct ?  if it does HOW?

[opjose]

QUOTE (Zziggy00 @ Nov 11 2002, 11:59 PM)

QUOTE (Zziggy00 @ Nov 11 2002, 08:56 PM) Now this might be another total newbie question but, can all the wires be removed after flashing or just the T1 wire? any answer to this opjose (take it easy on me )

                                    After reading your post I decided to check out what was going on.

Leaving the wires in basically permits the TSOP to be flashed.

This begs the question, why bother with the wires when all you need to do is use the jumpers?

In other words, only the one shorting wire would really be needed if you merely jumpered the TSOP flash points AFAIK?

At least this is what my multi-meter tells me?

[opjose]

QUOTE (majik655 @ Nov 12 2002, 01:01 AM)

Questions.. or assurances   1.  What or how does things go wrong when flashing ON board bios. If you can get it connected or aligned correctly and it boots up...why would or how does something screw up while flashing on board?   2.  If something does happen while flashing on board ... you are screwed ? You HAVE to get 11/29 wire mod and wire for flashing ?? You CANNOT just flash the matrix on PC and run off that indefinently ?? I know that might suck but things would still work right? And if that is the case WHY CAN YOU NOT just try again ? Because you have to have TSOP intact while booting?  ( I think I answered my own question...just re assurance) 3. If you have everything soldered ...   Why can't you use test mode to see if it is aligned?  Is it because the wiring/soldering screwed up the test mode ? so it shows red or something? But in MODE 2 it is ok ?  (someone has stated he flashed matrix with err.noani.  then connected in mode 2 to line up..then switched to mode 3.) Why mode 2?  We know this is bad sinse it can screw up matrix. I hope these make sense.. Some are just to reassure I understand. THANK YOU

                                    1. Re: Wrong

The Xbox may freeze during the flash.
The BIOS may not be read correctly causing the flash to stop.
The power may go out.
The TSOP may be erased but not flashed.

Etc. And YES it has happened to several people here.

2. Re: Screwed

Yes and no.

The Matrix or another LPC mod will work, but you'll be stuck with the LPC mod having to be enabled constantly for the Xbox to work.

E.G. No "virgin" xbox.

With an 11/29 wire mod you can reflash the TSOP and undo the damage.

No, you CANNOT just "try again". The LPC mod takes over totally if the flash is screwed and you CANNOT use the TSOP flash BIOS as well!

You must reflash your Matrix with a "full" BIOS.

3. Yes the wiring screws up Test mod.

Re: reflash err.noani

This is different as it was not using the TSOP flash bios.

[opjose]

QUOTE (majik655 @ Nov 12 2002, 01:08 AM)

Now if you leave it in with wires...  Someone else already left the wires on except the T1 ground.  and everything works fine.  But Why ?  You still have to go in if you want to do anything. My question also is Why or how can you keep flashing the onboard bios through evox with NO mod chip or wires connecting anything? How does it flash .. after you remove the matrix ?  Or are you not supposed to,  and supposed to leave the wires intact except the ground? Is that how it is able to keep flashing on board?

                                    If you leave the wire and jumper in, the TSOP flashing -IS- enabled even if you remove the Matrix.

In effect the Matrix is then INCONSEQUENTIAL!

It is IDENTICAL to jumpering the TSOP enable jumpers AFAIK.

Evolution-X can subsequently reflash the bios.

Note: that if you reflash with a non-cracked bios you'll be back to a virgin and possibly non-functional Xbox again!

I left the ground wire taped up just in case I ever had to reflash the Xbox.

[opjose]

QUOTE (majik655 @ Nov 12 2002, 01:41 AM)

Anyway ... you say you can reflash the matrix and use it.. I figured that... But why can't you do the same process again? Am I missing something?  Like maybe the on board TSOP HAS to be able to boot to be able to flash it like this ?? Or you are NOT screwed , because you can just do it again ?? I thought I keep reading .. if you screw or only half flash your on board .. there is no fix to flash it...  only a 11/29 wire mod..  if so WHY ?   I am also assuming .. You must keep the wires on (except the ground) to be able to REflash over and over ??  You cannot take out the mod and flash again correct ?  if it does HOW?

                                    You CANNOT do the same process again if you screw up.

Bascially the Matrix "Bios" which you are using is a special "hook" which activates the OEM BIOS.

Once you disable the Matrix the OEM bios is in play which is why you can flash the TSOP. However since the Xbox has already booted the non-signed code, it will continue to run Evolution-X.

This is why the OEM bios (or any WORKING) bios must be present for this technique to work!

So -NO- you cannot do it again if you screw up.

An 11/29 wire flash is required to fix a screw up because it uses the same address space as the OEM bios. In effect the 11/29 wire mod chip looks just like the OEM bios to the system.

What does drive me nuts about the instructions for all of this, is that the wire to the three TSOP pins is not really needed!

All you have to do is enable BOTH the TSOP FLASH jumpers as per the tutorial, then use the single grounding wire.

I suppose that it was done this way to avoid having to remove the motherboard to get to the other jumper.

However I find this rather silly, as the TSOP flash Enable jumpers are easier for people to handle.

[opjose]

QUOTE (thantelius @ Nov 12 2002, 04:11 AM)

1. It's possible reflash the TSOP with a full BIOS, if it's possible where can i find a Full BIOS? 2. Where can i obtain a Matrix modchip 3. Exist a detailed guide with the steps to do a successfully TSOP Flash? Thanks

                                    1 - Not if you screw up. Evolution-X "extracts" your bios for you.

2 - Did you even look at the front page?

3 - See point 2 above.

[majik655]

 Hense the question..

I have seen in the past, connections to the "rings" are harder than normal pads.  Tin wire, stick THROUGH or IN hole.. add tiny tiny amount more of solder to wire and basically drip down or onto the ring?
Solder has to flow INTO ring?  or can be good contact just being on top of the ring.

Hope this makes sense,
I know this is not for amateurs... just a small bit of tips would be GREATLY apprciated.

Thank you

[opjose]

http://home.att.net/.../soldering.html
http://www.mtechnolo.....Soldering 101

[opjose]

QUOTE (thantelius @ Nov 12 2002, 06:47 AM)

1. Is Matrix evox compatible? 2. Matrix works on all xbox models? 3. With the Flash TSOP method i could still use evox without the modchip? Thnx

                                    Start with the FAQ's. This is newbie material.

[Zziggy00]

Let me try to ask this once again but wording it a little bit differently.

Lets say I attach all the wires, flash the TSOP successfully...

Can I remove ALL the wires that i placed in to flash the TSOP, INCLUDING the bridged jumper, remove the matrix from the box, close it back up and be able to run the xbox

OR

Do you NEED to leave the wires and jumper in to use the xbox with the newly flashed TSOP.

[MaCRo]

Yet, i have one final question:
The wires between W1 & W2, the soldering on J1 and the T1 wire,
should thoose be removed? Or is it just some of them who must stay?

Thanks in advance!