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[marcux]

30+ wire to solder and a Full bios replacement..

Just solder it in.. Boot up the Xbox.. Cut it out.. and flash the onboard Tsop with whatever damn bios you want!



Sqrewed up your onboard bios?? Xbox dead because of it? solder on an xtender and reflash the oboard tsop back to normal..  what else do you need?


      -Marcux

(Because I Can!)

[formosauk]

pir8 i just want to tell you , your a fuckin wanker.

[SengokuX]

Everyone,

Don't worry. We can all play games off the HD and all the emuz now with the Matrix, even with the 256k limit. Worrying about whether or not you can upgrade is silly if your modded Xbox does everything that you want now. Why sweat it?

Xodus revolutionized installs by using the pogo pins - what's to say that they won't do it again by releasing a 1MB mod?

At any rate, regardless of Team X-ecuter's claims, isn't anyone else wondering if the reason why they need >256k is *because* of their switch from assembly to C++ (code bloat). It seems like maybe it's that simple. I have no problem with them saying that they aren't supporting the Matrix chip - it's not their chip, so they have no reason to support it.

But at the same time, if their features really amount to anything useful, I'm sure we'll see someone get them into a 256k kernal.

[SengokuX]

QUOTE (Strat @ Oct 29 2002, 10:53 PM)

Why not get the makers of the matrix chip to make some new exciting bios' that are 256k. .... .... Ohh that's right. They don't have the skill to do that. My mistake

                                    I'm not sure how any of us can make any inferences as to the skill of the Matrix team, since all we know is that they released an easy-to-install version of a 256k mod... we don't know what, if any, their future plans are...

[kryo]

Hmm it seems people are forgetting and overlooking some major things here...

To start with, what Matrix /w Evox2.5 currently does is well sufficient for most people out there, ie. the "mainstream" modders, who just want to play games and put some stuff on the HD.

And what's with the X-ecuter2 praise? I think we should first wait for the chip to come out and then start comparing it to other, already available chips. It's like "I just can't brush my teeth now because I hear there will be a better toothbrush out next month" - now just how stupid is that? And before you start flaming me claiming you can always make CheapMods or get a PC-BioXX, let me remind you that hey have to be soldered in - something many people simply don't want to do to their consoles.

Also I must say that I think team x-ecuter moving over to C++ for kernel coding is a bit transparent : probably at least one of the reasons is that their Bios will now get bloated enough not to fit on a Matrix... I'd like to remind the team that there are ppl out there NOT using Matrix but still stuck with the 256-limit.

Anyways I don't think these debates are of any use when the arguments stay at the "f##k off / u sUck / m3 0WnZ" -level. I'm eager to see what Team X-Ecuter will come up with, but for now I'm using the Matrix on my own console... Perhaps I'll switch - who knows?

Never believe the hype! Hype is the mind killer!

[3tlk]

I guess people will always look for ways to attack Xecuter team.  C++ creates bloatware, more often than not.  Is that always the case, no...  Take a well skilled C++ programmer against a inefficient C programmer then take a guess who will create the bloatware.

But take another perspective, you try to program something of REAL use in ASM.  It isn't that easy and takes a LOT of lines of code to do something real small.

Of course C does seem more logical than C++, but then are we talking about bloatware because of the size or speed?  C may compile smaller but may not necessarily run any faster and assuming it does run faster I don't think it will impact the XBox performance.  We are still talking about a BIOS that is less than 512K.  However, programming in C++ may result in quicker releases of the updated BIOS.

Lets not forget, if C++ is good enuf for John Carmack then I wouldn't complain too much.  Yes I know Carmack isn't a BIOS programmer...

[Potenza]

don't have a soldering Iron C) definately can't solder and not willing to learn it on a 500$ piece of equipment (yes europe customer, one of the first)

My point being is: executor team gave us the new now famous LPC mod design, biosses and tools. Matrix team improved the Xecutor design for a large part of the community (the "n00bs" that can't solder ==> or are tis just people who are wise enough to know their limitations?).
Now Executor, applies matrix design improvements and looks to extend bios feautures.

So stop saying, this is better or that is better. Stop the Holy war! And give credit to each of them for what they accomplished. Maybe they should work together and build the best mod ever?

And people==>you are alive now, not tomorrow. And tomorrow will always bring something new and possibly better.

You are free: so choose the mod you want AND STOP CURSING AT EACH OTHER. INCLUDING TEAM EXECUTOR ANd XODUS.

Wars have started for less ;-)

[rjm2k]

QUOTE (rono @ Oct 30 2002, 10:02 AM)

apperently the people behind the patrix are not counting on the X-ecuter team to update thier product. this is from their site. "... We have completed a very unique testing bios which is 100 % legal and therefore will be hosted by us. This bios will be released with the above mentioned manual and guide in order to have a fool proof way to test your product for any manufacturing defects (on that note we cannot, and will not, entertain any request for illegal copyrighted material). Since it has now been tested and found 100% hardware compatible with the new version of console released, we have no plans to change or upgrade our basic design of the Xodus. We will only be looking into a new design in the event that a completely new design of console is released, our product is perfect, and we stand by it 100%. " so unless i misunderstood what  "testing bios " means,  it looks like they plane to support their product as well, and not let the x-ecuter2 make it absolute. as they say, if and when the need for a new ver will come, there will be another ver. this is the nature of technology. just when you think you got the best and latest, somthing better comes alone. if what you got does everything you want, enjoy it. when it is no longer meets your need, then get the matrix 2 or X-ecuter 3 or enigma 4 or whatever is the latest and the best when the time comes.

                                    If it's 100% legal that probably means its the linux bios, which afaik isn't meant for playing games (tho i guess it could work)

[SengokuX]

QUOTE (3tlk @ Oct 30 2002, 09:04 AM)

But take another perspective, you try to program something of REAL use in ASM.  It isn't that easy and takes a LOT of lines of code to do something real small.

                                    Okay, how about Dead or Alive 1 (PSX), Dead or Alive 2 (DC) and a large chunk of Dead or Alive 3 (Xbox)? All assembly, all hand-coded....

[deka]

QUOTE (Pir8 @ Oct 29 2002, 07:01 PM)

Why not get the makers of the matrix chip to make some new exciting bios' that are 256k. .... .... Ohh that's right. They don't have the skill to do that. My mistake

Good point. While we're at it, why not get Pc-Bioxx manufacturers to make some new exciting bios'? Ohh that's right. They don't have the skill to do that either. My Mistake. What about Pandora? Did they release anything we use? What about Aladdin or TitanX?

Point being, since when does the hardware and software aspects have to come from the same release group? Team Xecuter is the most skilled group to work on the Xbox kernel..that's blatenly obvious. But many of the xbox mod chip manufacturers don't make the software for their chip. They rely on the experts like Xecuter to do it. Team Xecuter should respect that.

In closing, don't blame Xecuter for making a 256k+ bios. Blame Matrix for trying to save a few bucks by dropping a 256k bios chip on their instead of a 512k or 1MB chip.


P.S.- I like Pepsi better then Coke

[Strat]

QUOTE (bwn82k @ Oct 30 2002, 02:19 PM)

QUOTE (Pir8 @ Oct 29 2002, 07:01 PM) Why not get the makers of the matrix chip to make some new exciting bios' that are 256k. .... .... Ohh that's right. They don't have the skill to do that. My mistake Good point. While we're at it, why not get Pc-Bioxx manufacturers to make some new exciting bios'? Ohh that's right. They don't have the skill to do that either. My Mistake. What about Pandora? Did they release anything we use? What about Aladdin or TitanX? Point being, since when does the hardware and software aspects have to come from the same release group? Team Xecuter is the most skilled group to work on the Xbox kernel..that's blatenly obvious. But many of the xbox mod chip manufacturers don't make the software for their chip. They rely on the experts like Xecuter to do it. Team Xecuter should respect that. In closing, don't blame Xecuter for making a 256k+ bios. Blame Matrix for trying to save a few bucks by dropping a 256k bios chip on their instead of a 512k or 1MB chip. P.S.- I like Pepsi better then Coke

                                    my point wasn't that they have to make software for hardware. But the original poster was saying that shit like "ohhh know executor arn't going to let matrix users use their code cause its to big. wah wah wah"

Fuck em. Don't let other users suffer because some users don't have >256k.

They all seem happy with evox 2.5 running so thats fine. Don't winge.

Personally i want a bios that lets me reset in game without getting out of my seat (see latest news post on xbox-scene.com) and a bios that can be coded with new features very easily.


And matrix didn't release a 256k bios for cost saving measures. They did it because they copied the cheaplpc design which was based on a 256k chip.

[cykiller]

QUOTE (Snipey @ Oct 29 2002, 10:58 AM)

what I can make up out of this is that e-xecuter is right about everything. I code C++ and the benefits of this OO langues can be quite substencial compared to normal C. Also they will have more space for a kernel so they can implant allot more features into the bios then before. Those guys at x-ecuter are awsome coders, you cant deny that cause basically 90% of you modchip owners must have used one of there bioses (x-ecuter bios or evox) I do not see why you ppl have to argue about this subject. Matrix is indeed a real nice chip but the biggest difference is the pogo pins, other then that, the openxbox from lik-sang will be just as good or even better. X-ecuter should defentaly not be bashed when they make the bios that you use. It obviously irritates you that the bios probably wont fit on your matrix mod, but still you say it doesnt. If this is so, y this post? You argue that the new x-ecuter will improve the matrix but you also comment on every new feature that it will have that it wont change anything and is just a bunch of extra bs nobody needs. No offence but your post doenst contain any real facts.   no matter what modchip you own, if it live's up to your needs be happy with it and thank the ppl at x-ecuter for making those great bioses that you use

                                    i agree, big props to x-ecuter!!

[deka]

QUOTE (Dark Schneider @ Oct 31 2002, 09:37 AM)

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                                    Peanut Butter Crunch!!

[kryo]

QUOTE

But take another perspective, you try to program something of REAL use in ASM. It isn't that easy and takes a LOT of lines of code to do something real small.

Ok, but so what? I thought these ppl were supposed to have l337 sKillZ

Just look at the demoscene where ppl have coded pure asm stuff for years, and all just for fun and respect, no money involved at all!

And.. I guess and hope you didn't mean that coding pure asm would make bigger files than C++, cause you just couldn't get more wrong by saying that...

Ok I'm getting a bit off-topic here, but just had to let this out

[warbeast]