Topic: New Ide Cable (Read 231 times)

LEDHaywire · « **on:** August 17, 2003, 06:32:00 PM »

there is no real speed increase from an ide cable switch. data is only gonna shoot through at ata100 speeds.

mhr_54 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 17, 2003, 08:38:00 PM »

No matter where you have any device connected to the cable it's still the same physical circuit, therefore you can connect the cable anyway you want. The XBOX supposedly uses an ATA/33 cable for ATA/100 drives. Thereby decreasing speed (ATA/33 are 40 wire, while ATA/100 cables are 80 wire, the 40 extra wires in an ATA/100 cable are grounded and therefore prevent garbage interference which can the transfer rate).

WodMan · « **Reply #2 on:** August 17, 2003, 10:35:00 PM »

You can change the cable, however the bottleneck does not lie in the cable, rather in the chipset that is on the system board. Changing the cable will not increase performance.

rzyzzy · « **Reply #3 on:** August 18, 2003, 09:18:00 AM »

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However, if there is a possiblity of any damage please inform me.

no damage to the board, however, since the cables wd ships are sooo short, if you stretch that snazzy new cable out too much you'll get a frag.

theBloodShed · « **Reply #4 on:** August 18, 2003, 12:16:00 PM »

QUOTE (shahriyar @ Aug 18 2003, 04:41 PM)

dont have anything to lose.

Nothing to lose except your time. There is absolutely NO possibility of a speed increase. None. As previous posts have mentioned, the XBox IDE controller can only support ATA33 transfers. The "better" cable you are refering to is an 80pin IDE cable for ATA66100133 connections.

Lets put it this way, cables are a hell of a lot cheaper than controllers. Do you honestly think that MS would impliment a highspeed IDE controller (66100133) but use a 40-pin cable that can only handle ATA33? That would be pointless.

Anyway, try it and see.

chinmi · « **Reply #5 on:** August 18, 2003, 12:24:00 PM »

ata100 cable will not make data transfer faster.
it will make it better,
because the higher quality of cable makes an error free data at transfer...

connector777 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 18, 2003, 03:44:00 PM »

Well, there seems to be disagreement here about the issue of whether the 80 wire cable would be better (not necessarily faster). Since the data would be cleaner, would it not communicate better (so it will be faster)?

Can anyone who has tried this please time somethings and let us know? If so, I will change my cable too.

One thing though... on my pc, I couldn't get my ata100 hard drive working until I switched cables, but on the xbox, it seems fine with the ata33 cable. Why is this???

Also, now I'm using a 160 gb hard drive on my xbox, it works fine, but I was wondering, if it ever got more than 137 gb, would it have problems like disappearing data or crashing?

There's a nice paper about ata 100 at

http://www.seagate.c...h_paper.qrk.pdf

Take a look, would a 80 wire cable help?

shahriyar · « **Reply #7 on:** August 18, 2003, 04:37:00 PM »

you can use up to 137 for xbox, and the rest for linux if you are a xbox linux user. else i would say no unless you get a new bios, or some thing. not sure if you dont linux.

pizzle

connector777 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 20, 2003, 09:30:00 AM »

The IDE cable comes usually with 3 female sides. I want to add a male (with the pins) to the cable, and then add plug in another ide cable to this. Is it possible?

mhr_54 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 20, 2003, 09:41:00 AM »

An IDE channel only supports two devices: one master and one slave. A cable with two connectors is one channel. You can't add a connector to your IDE cable for an extra drive due to this limit of two drives on a channel.

EvilWays · « **Reply #10 on:** August 21, 2003, 01:02:00 AM »

QUOTE (mhr_54 @ Aug 20 2003, 06:41 PM)

An IDE channel only supports two devices: one master and one slave. A cable with two connectors is one channel. You can't add a connector to your IDE cable for an extra drive due to this limit of two drives on a channel.

No, it can only support two drives that are powered at the same time. See Project 411 on how a workaround was made. You can have as many drives as you can fit onto an IDE cable, but only two IDE devices can be powered per IDE cable/channel.

connector777 · « **Reply #11 on:** August 21, 2003, 12:23:00 PM »

I am adding 3 hard drives to my xbox via a switch on the power. But I need a longer ide cable, and I don't want to buy a crimper. So the easiest way for me is to add a male head and plug another ide cable in. Or have a male/male connector adapter. Do these exist? Would it work? Or should I just make a custom cable?

public_enema · « **Reply #12 on:** August 21, 2003, 12:54:00 PM »

QUOTE (connector777 @ Aug 21 2003, 08:23 PM)

I am adding 3 hard drives to my xbox via a switch on the power. But I need a longer ide cable, and I don't want to buy a crimper. So the easiest way for me is to add a male head and plug another ide cable in. Or have a male/male connector adapter. Do these exist? Would it work? Or should I just make a custom cable?

Male IDE heads seem to be really hard to find for some reason - are you in the UK?

GuySmily · « **Reply #13 on:** August 21, 2003, 01:02:00 PM »

TykSak has a tutorial on how to add connectors to your ribbon.

I haven't seen any male connecters anywhere, but I did desolder one off an old motherboard I have. The only challenge is soldering 40 wires to it..

spgurley · « **Reply #14 on:** September 09, 2003, 02:07:00 PM »

it would be hard to find male head adapter thingy, just buy a crimper and cable and stuff and make ur own custom cable thats long as u want it with as many ide connecter things on it as you want

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