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[FallsInc]

games have to be ABLE to go to HD res... your tv is a 720P tv, and does an upconversion to 1080i.

google xbox HD game list, and you will see the games that are HD enabled.

[zeve]

If a game only supports 480p, is that the only option I can have turned on in the settings menu?

[YoMama1111]

you are right, your TV supports 480p and 1080i - I have no idea why someone else was trying to tell you differently.

If you researched xbox HDTV, you would have found out that most xbox HDTV games are in 720p. Still you should see a big difference between 480i and 480p. Halo 2 supports 480p, not 720p or 1080i.

You should have all the settings turned on that your TV supports, regardless of game.

[zeve]

Yep so, why dont I see any difference?

Is there something Im missing.

[accukevin]

Mabye your not missing anything at all.  Your doing a comparison between your HD channels you recieve via your (insert cable service here), and a 480p XBox game.

The difference between 480i and 480p is not going to blow you across the living room.  It is a small difference, and nothing comparable to a true HD signal.

[Mr Ed]

Use the link in my sig to find games that support 1080i.  Then get some of them and check them out.

Once you've enabled the modes in the XBOX that your HDTV supports, the game will always automatically use whatever the highest res mode it supports that you enabled.

So for you a 1080i game will run in 1080i, a 720p game will run in 480p and a 480p game will run in 480p.  There are a couple games that only support 480i, so obviously that's what they will run in.

[project722]

There seems to still be some confusion on HDTV's. His set is an HD rear projection CRT, all HD RPCRT's will have a 1080i native display. Your set will accept a 720p signal, but it will be scaled to 1080i for display. All fixed pixel HD devices(any non CRT)will have a 720p display resolution or a non standard 768p.

You need to enable all HD modes in the xbox dash. If you only have 480p and 1080i enabled any game you play that supports 720p will not be output at that resolution and your tv will treat it as an SD signal, which will then be displayed at 480p or upconverted to 1080i(depending on your tv setup), and look like any other SD game. So enable 720p in your dash.

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Your TV may be EDTV not HDTV, which upsamples all the video to said modes. Then the video will of course not look as good as you hope it would. I've never understood why they sell HDTV that dont support 720p.

"Supporting" and "displaying" resolutions can be two diffrenet things. Most of the time when you see "supports 480p,720p, 1080i", that means the set will accept that incoming signal, but the incoming signal will be format converted to the native resolution of the set. It doesn't mean it will display all formats. Like I said before all of your fixed pixel devices will display 720p, and some of the upcoming will even display 1080p. The only HDTV that I know of that did not actually support 720p was an older model RCA that had a native of 720p but could not accept an incoming 720p signal, and that was a design flaw.

[Mr Ed]

QUOTE(project722 @ Feb 27 2005, 09:52 AM)

There seems to still be some confusion on HDTV's.

Yes and it's mostly yours.

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His set is an HD rear projection CRT, all HD RPCRT's will have a 1080i native display.

Yep

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Your set will accept a 720p signal,

NOPE

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but it will be scaled to 1080i for display.

NOPE  Most CRT TVs simply ignore 720p signals and do not scale.  Toshiba and Hitachis scale.  I'm not aware of any others that do (although there may be others I'm not aware of.  Mitsubishis for example do NOT.

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You need to enable all HD modes in the xbox dash.

NOPE  Only ones your TV supports.  Using a game like Dragon's Lair which supports both 720p and 1080i will help you quickly identify which modes your TV can actually display.

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If you only have 480p and 1080i enabled any game you play that supports 720p will not be output at that resolution

that's true, and if your TV doesn't handle 720p, that's a good thing!

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and your tv will treat it as an SD signal, which will then be displayed at 480p or upconverted to 1080i(depending on your tv setup), and look like any other SD game.

yep

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So enable 720p in your dash.

unless you have a CRT (rear or front) display that doesn't handle 720p.

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"Supporting" and "displaying" resolutions can be two diffrenet things. Most of the time when you see "supports 480p,720p, 1080i", that means the set will accept that incoming signal,

yep

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but the incoming signal will be format converted to the native resolution of the set.

of course


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[Mr Ed]

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It doesn't mean it will display all formats.

That's true, and most CRT rear projection TVs only list 480p and 1080i as input resolutions they support.

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Like I said before all of your fixed pixel devices will display 720p, and some of the upcoming will even display 1080p. The only HDTV that I know of that did not actually support 720p was an older model RCA that had a native of 720p but could not accept an incoming 720p signal, and that was a design flaw.

Well you haven't used many HDTVs.  For example, Mitsubishi I would say is the best selling CRT rear projection TV maker, and NONE of their models HAVE EVER supported 720p.  They just ignore the signal.  Trust me!  I almost bought one until I tried my XBOX out on every model in the store.

I realize you THINK you know what you are talking about, but the worst thing you can do IMHO is post to these forums spreading WRONG information.

Don't believe me?  Take your XBOX with an HDTV A/V pack to circuit city or bets buy.  Use a game like Amped 2 set 720p and try it in every CRT rear projection TV.  You'll find most won't display the picture.

[acrossbetween]

hey, I have this TV! it does not support 720p, Ive tried it and it DOES NOT upscale to 1080i!!!

the only time it will do 1080i is if the source is outputing as 1080i.

to get to the topic at hand, honestly you wont see much difference in my opinion on some games especially 480i to 480p, they are a little smoother in action but there really isnt much visually (as in detail) that there is a remarkable difference.

NOW, there is a difference when looking at say, 480 to 1080, case in point enter the matrix, textures are different. That's about it.

I say, just keep it and enable it, this way you know you have the best going for you. Also, you now have a dvd player that upconverts to 1080 if you use xbmc or avalaunch!!!

good luck!

[project722]

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Mr Ed     Posted Yesterday, 07:26 PM
     
QUOTE(project722 @ Feb 27 2005, 09:52 AM)
There seems to still be some confusion on HDTV's.
Yes and it's mostly yours.

Im not the one confused. I know how HDTV works very well. When I looked
up his set I thought it had the built in tuner. Sets with the built in ATSC
tuner are required to decode all 18 DTV formats. So in that case it
would have to be able to process a 720p signal in some way, even though
it's not being feed through the tuner itself. So the next time you feel like
putting someones post under a microscope, think twice. It may be you
who misreads one day.

FYI there are more RP CRTS that handle 720p than you think, some just dont
do it over component, although they should. HD broadcasters are free to
choose what format to send, either 720p or 1080i. So all HD sets should
be able to accept either signal, regardless of input type its being feed
through.

The ones that dont handle 720p at all are not true HD sets. The
manufacturer should be held accountable for labling it an HDTV when
its not fully compliant with the ATSC standard.

[Mr Ed]

QUOTE(project722 @ Feb 27 2005, 09:09 PM)

Im not the one confused. I know how HDTV works very well. When I looked

[project722]

Sets with the built in tuners can decode 1080p, they just dont broadcast it yet. So no they are not mis-labled in that respect.

Tuners dont scale, their not designed to, they only recieve and decode. The signal is then sent to the sets circuitry for up/down converting. Thats why I say that a CRT set with the built in tuner would have the ability to convert 720p to 1080i. And if the sets electronics were designed correctly, it would do it regardless of the input source. I would think that manufacturers of HDTVS with built in tuners that designed their sets to simply ignore 720p would have legal issues to face.  

But yeah Im sure some RPCRTS dont take 720p via component, but I still think your figure is way to high.

[Mr Ed]

QUOTE(project722 @ Mar 3 2005, 02:25 PM)

Sets with the built in tuners can decode 1080p, they just dont broadcast it yet. So no they are not mis-labled in that respect.

[Mr Ed]

QUOTE(project722 @ Mar 3 2005, 02:25 PM)

Sets with the built in tuners can decode 1080p, they just dont broadcast it yet. So no they are not mis-labled in that respect.

Yeah, but it's the tuner that downsamples it to 1080i for the TV.  The TV cannot accept 1080p on its component inputs.