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[Mr Ed]

QUOTE (fahrenheit @ Oct 26 2004, 05:54 PM)

HD progressive which is used by games consoles and DVD players, is newer technology and can only be delivered by means of digital inputs, such as DVI or component video

For the record, component video is analog, just like VGA.  

[Mr Ed]

QUOTE (ferrari_rulz_02 @ Oct 28 2004, 05:22 AM)

i say if u san see a picture and hear some sound, then your set. you have nothing to complain about.

You sound like a PS2 user desperatly trying to claim your games look as good as the XBOX.  If they look the same to you, then give your XBOX to someone who will actually appreciate it.  

If you can't tell the difference between these resolutions, you may as well be playing an Atari 2600.  

You are unworthy of owning an XBOX.  

[prplehz]

QUOTE (ferrari_rulz_02 @ Oct 28 2004, 04:22 AM)

i think your all forgetting one important thing. its just a tv. and can you really tell the difference between the different resolutions? no, not unless they are standing side by side. and i dont think anyone will have 3 or 4 tvs sitting next to each other just to say ones shit compared to the rest. i say if u san see a picture and hear some sound, then your set. you have nothing to complain about. if your that paranoid about the picture your getting, dude, get a fucking life. you need one

dude I think you need glasses if you can't see the difference..

[xboxmodder4life]

you made me laugh when u said u can't see the difference between HDTV and Standard resolution. Come by my house any day and look at Standard Cable on my TV then switch to HDTV...Not only will u notice a difference you'll notice a huge difference. Also hook up a playstation via Composite input then put a xbox game  in at 720p and tell me theres no difference, the difference is amazing

. Also about the sound any 5.1 system makes the gaming expierence amazing, and if u have a high end or mid end one it's that much better. I have cheap KLH speakers and a decent sony receiver and JBL sub and let me tell u i'd never go back to stereo sound again. And with my Toshiba 51inch HDTV i'd never go back to standard 4:3 again.

if u've been living in your own world that says theres no difference between the different resolution on a TV, well i truley feel bad for you not being able to expierence the XBOX like you should..


AND DUDE... you need to get out and look at some new technology, and get rid of your tv from the 80's and upgrade

[lillechris]

since this is a european tv with scart (also called euro a/v), it might support component video through the scart connector. all you would have to do is get (or make) a component to scart adaptor. some projectors sold in europe come without component and vga inputs, but with a scart connector that supports these through an adaptor. this might be the case with your tv too.

[lillechris]

QUOTE (fahrenheit @ Oct 29 2004, 12:42 PM)

Component video through SCART is interlaced only and is inferior to RGB SCART where games are concerned. If you have a spare SCART connector that supports Component, then you may want to use that for a DVD player, otherwise stick with RGB SCART for your Xbox.

sure about this? since the european standard for hdtv is done, there are some tvs and projectors that support it (i haven't seen one that doesn't support ntsc hdtv also). it wouldn't be a problem for manufacturers to add progressive support to scart because it is just a plug that can support anything the manufacturer wants it to. i remember seeing a projector that had this not very long ago at my local hi-fi store, but then again i might have been dreaming:p i'll have to go and check it out. btw i'm in (and from) norway. where are you from fahrenheit?

just one more thing: are you saying that rgb scart from the xbox is/can be progressive? sounds like it in the first sentence... thought pal xboxes were 576i only... (w/o mods of course)

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE (ferrari_rulz_02 @ Oct 28 2004, 01:22 PM)

i think your all forgetting one important thing. its just a tv. and can you really tell the difference between the different resolutions? no, not unless they are standing side by side. and i dont think anyone will have 3 or 4 tvs sitting next to each other just to say ones shit compared to the rest. i say if u san see a picture and hear some sound, then your set. you have nothing to complain about. if your that paranoid about the picture your getting, dude, get a fucking life. you need one

Wow!

[lillechris]

QUOTE (ferrari_rulz_02 @ Oct 28 2004, 01:22 PM)

i think your all forgetting one important thing. its just a tv. and can you really tell the difference between the different resolutions? no, not unless they are standing side by side. and i dont think anyone will have 3 or 4 tvs sitting next to each other just to say ones shit compared to the rest. i say if u san see a picture and hear some sound, then your set. you have nothing to complain about. if your that paranoid about the picture your getting, dude, get a fucking life. you need one

i saw bluray irl for the first time today, and let me tell you that the only way you can't tell the difference between an hd signal on a hd display and the old crap we're used to, is if you are blind.

you won't get bluray quality from the xbox though, just wanted to boast a bit:p

but the part about being blind is true...

[lillechris]

QUOTE (fahrenheit @ Oct 30 2004, 06:42 AM)

I'm in New Zealand. No, RGB SCART is also interlace only. The problem with many cheap direct-view HDTVs emerging in PAL regions is that they support 576p, but not 480p. So a few people are getting caught out. I would be interested to know if progressive was available over SCART, but component over SCART is quite rare, I'm only aware of one manufacturer that supports it - Loewe.

just came back from a large hi-fi convention in oslo and just about every new display and projector supports every resolution. has new zealand had hdtv for a while? norway is still in the beta phase with only one hdtv channel, but there is a lot of emphasis being put on displays and projectors being compatible with all hd formats both european and american (the new epson emp-tw500 supports everything up to 1125i).

i must have been wong on the component to scart issue - can't seem to find anything about it. probably mixed it up with something else...

[spillage]

Adding progressive video, would not be an electronic issue, just something that is rare because demand in PAL regions is usually deemed unnecassary. Sony*, Metz and Loewe all have TVs with YUV on Scart but at 15KHz (UK). * Can't confirm this but a rep told me.

Adding progressive through Scart is alittle more difficult. The Peritel connector (scart) is crap. It was invented by some short sited fool, to allow a compact and convienient standard. Separate connectors are generally considered a much better option. Because of the limitations of Scart, the increased bandwidth of video @ 31KHz would I believe cause degradation. The most likely issue being banding or halo's.

The Epson projector has a 1280x720 LCD panel in it so is perfect for progressive 720. Compatability with higher resolutions need not mean better images. Feed it with 1080i and the unit will down scale it to 1280x720. If the internal scaler is crap, then the image will be littered with artefacts. I have not seen one so I am simply professionally speculating.

RGB and YUV are both forms of Component video, but the similarity ends there. You cannot plug a YUV source into an RGB input and expect to get anything and vice versa. It must be transcoded first. Has already said graphics are really best displayed in their native video format i.e. RGB and preferably with H&V @ 31KHz

[fahrenheit]

QUOTE (lillechris @ Oct 31 2004, 06:12 AM)

has new zealand had hdtv for a while?

No broadcast HDTV whatsoever unfortunately, and it doesn't look likely to come anytime soon.
It would of been good to see the end of the whole PAL/NTSC thing once HD came along, but we are going down the same fragmented roads again. At the moment, 576p is useless to anyone where games are concerned.