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total_ass

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« on: August 17, 2004, 11:02:00 AM »
please do read the whole post, i am relying on you guys to help me.

ok here's the deal. some of you may remember the topic i created a few weeks back about my xbox struggling to play NTSC dvds. well it turns out that you were right, it is because of NTSC having 60 frames per second as opposed to the cheap ass European 50 frames per second. Changing the output to Pal 60 hertz mode does infact do the trick.
However a new problem arises, when i change it to 60hz mode, the refresh rate does indeed get increased, however the picture changes and gets stretched vertically to the point where it cuts off a lot of the top and bottom of the picture. I can't seem to find a way to fix this, and it appears to be an incompatibility with my tv, as it is the same with my Gamecube when i put that in 60hz mode. can someone confirm that there is no way whatsoever to fix this?
If this cannot be fixed which i highly doubt it can, i am going to be forced to purchase a tv that does properly support 60hz mode. I have seen several standard tv sets at affordable prices, however none of them say whether they are 60hz mode or not. it would seem that manufacturers here in the UK do not think that it matters to the public and that they only want them so that they can watch normal tv. But I have been on some of the websites and they do display the refresh rates. The tvs all say that they have a refresh rate of 50hz, but some also say that they support NTSC playback. This brings up the question, if a tv supports NTSC playback, does it automatically support 60hz mode?
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2004, 12:38:00 PM »
So your trying to play an NTSC DVD on a Pal xbox if I understand correctly? Well Before you switch your Xbox into NTSC mode disable the Pal 60hz mode before using Enigma Video Switch Disk. Once done this reboot into the Enigma Video Switch tool and change your EEPROM settings to NTSC. Once again reboot.

To fix your stretch thing look at the video settings in the m$ dash cause there is Normal, Letterbox and WideScreen mode. Try each one out, also check your TV manual for stretch settings. Hope this helps unles I've completly got it the wrong way round. tongue.gif.
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total_ass

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2004, 01:23:00 PM »
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But seriously, do you really wanna buy a new tv just to watch NTSC DVD's ?


i have a lot of ntsc dvds, and some of them are my favourite films. also i have some ntsc games, and pal 60 looks a hell of a lot better and smoother when playing games if you have seen it. it makes a big big difference.

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So your trying to play an NTSC DVD on a Pal xbox if I understand correctly? Well Before you switch your Xbox into NTSC mode disable the Pal 60hz mode before using Enigma Video Switch Disk. Once done this reboot into the Enigma Video Switch tool and change your EEPROM settings to NTSC. Once again reboot.

To fix your stretch thing look at the video settings in the m$ dash cause there is Normal, Letterbox and WideScreen mode. Try each one out, also check your TV manual for stretch settings. Hope this helps unles I've completly got it the wrong way round. .


I know about all of that, my tv doesn't support ntsc mode so enigmah is no use, it also has nothing to do with the region of my eeprom, it is just about the refresh rate of ntsc compared to standard pal. my tv doesnt appear to have any options to resize the picture, it is pure incompatibility, and editing the picture ratio in the ms dash doesn't help either, like i say its my telly.

basically it comes down to, if a tv supports ntsc, does it support pal 60?
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2004, 06:10:00 PM »
QUOTE (total_ass @ Aug 18 2004, 06:05 AM)
However a new problem arises, when i change it to 60hz mode, the refresh rate does indeed get increased, however the picture changes and gets stretched vertically to the point where it cuts off a lot of the top and bottom of the picture.

Can you clarify this a bit further? To what degree does the image stretch?

NTSC being 480 lines compared to PALs 576 lines may give the illusion of being stretched because you can see the scanlines more prominently.

Are you losing image at the top and bottom and by how much?

I have a 50hz Loewe TV and have one Xbox a PS2 and a Gamecube hooked up to it using RGB SCART, all using PAL 60 and I have another NTSC Xbox also hooked up with SCART without any problems.

TVs I have experienced that don't support PAL 60 show a rolling black & white image. So it sounds like your set supports PAL 60 but not NTSC. This will not be enough for you to enjoy your NTSC DVDs because PAL 60 is PAL colour with an NTSC refresh rate.

Oh, and stay away from 100Hz - http://forums.xbox-s...249703&hl=100hz
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2004, 03:54:00 AM »
i lose a considerable amount of the picture. so much that it makes games unplayable. i can't say exactly though, but enough to not leave it on 60hz. my xbox and gamecube are both hooked up with an RGB scart, and when they are played at 60hz they both cut off the picture.
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2004, 09:38:00 AM »
Well I've got 2 NTSC xbox games (on my UK PAL xbox) and they both run fine on my old (1994 or something!) tv through the RF adaptor, and I didn't have to change a thing, they just played perfectly as soon as I put them in...

I've got a v1.1 xbox and an xecuter 2 with the latest xecuter BIOS
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total_ass

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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2004, 10:36:00 AM »
my tv doesn't change to the correct channel when i power on my console, i am forced to press the AV button on my remote control for it to change to the SCART socket channel. the only thing i can switch between (this is by changing channels) is AV and RGB.
Also, to the other dude, playing NTSC games on a PAL xbox has nothing to do with it, i do it as well. the xbox keeps it at a PAL output so it doesn't make a difference.
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2004, 04:27:00 PM »
Mine works with Pal 60 but not NTSC.
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2004, 09:18:00 PM »
Most newer TVs do support PAL60 even though they dont say it. Some do it better than others though. Ive noticed some TVs running at pal 60 flicker slightly like a monitor at 60hz. I dont really notice it on normal PAL 50, maybe because I'm used to it. The other issue is the sound. If your one of us who are irritated by the sound of a 50hz TV, 60hz can be painful. My TV gives me a headache after just a few mins on PAL60, but I have heard others that arent nearly as bad.  Theres really no way of telling how a TV performs without trying it out. Good luck with it though.
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2004, 05:23:00 AM »
ok this may sound like a dumbass question, and please forgive me for asking but,

what is a composite cable?

lol i am stupid.

but i mean my tv obviously can handle the 60 frames per second refrsh rate, because it does show trust me, its just the picture going off screen.
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2004, 05:38:00 AM »
QUOTE (total_ass @ Aug 20 2004, 12:26 AM)
what is a composite cable?

Its just the standard AV cable that came with your Xbox. It has three RCA plugs one yellow for video and red and white for audio. Unless where ever you are in the world they only supplied you with a SCART cable???

If you don't have that cable (or the inputs on the TV) don't worry about it, just deal with pin 8 on the SCART.
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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2004, 05:53:00 AM »
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Anyway can you explain this 8 pin thing to me a bit better please, i don't quite understand what you want me to do.
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2004, 07:18:00 AM »
so the three coloured wires going into scart isn't RGB SCART?
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2004, 08:34:00 AM »
will an rgb scart cable definetly sort this problem out, i don't want to buy one and find i've wasted my money. how much do they generally cost?
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2004, 02:37:00 PM »
QUOTE (total_ass @ Aug 19 2004, 04:37 PM)
will an rgb scart cable definetly sort this problem out, i don't want to buy one and find i've wasted my money. how much do they generally cost?

20 Euro for a JoyTech one with Digital out and S-Video and two sound plugs so that you can plug it in a receiver.

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so the three coloured wires going into scart isn't RGB SCART?


No that's just normal composite.
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