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Devil-Man

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« on: July 08, 2004, 05:42:00 PM »

friggin amazing  jester.gif
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2004, 09:25:00 PM »

Do some research on a company called Base.  They did the surround sound for the movie The Little Mermaid.  Then report back, eh?  dry.gif
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2004, 11:22:00 PM »

Meh, I'll just stick to my real 5.1 Surround system...they arent THAT expensive anymore nowadays anyway. (Altough mine was, i dont like to skimp on my stuff)
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2004, 12:52:00 AM »

Sounds like good old marketing hyperbole for DSP. Tell you what, lets play Halo blindfolded, me with my 5.1 and you and this magic box and I guarantee you'll get an ass-kickin!
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2004, 06:48:00 AM »

QUOTE (Dale @ Jul 8 2004, 11:26 PM)
Mr Ed,

Have you ever watch a DVD Movie with the volume turned down on a 5.1 or 7.1 Surround Sound System that has a subwoofer?  There is practically no bass, the Subwoofer doesn't really produce any effect, you really have to have the thing cranked up to get the full rumbling effects of the bass frequencies. You ask why? Well the human ear doesn't work that well at low frequencies, its was basically designed to be more receptive to hear voice frequencies, which makes sense as that's how we communicate.


Yeah, they've had this for years.  It's usually called "loudness" and (for example) Yamaha amps have a dynamic loudness that adjusts automatically at lower volumes to compensate for that.  It also ups the highs, where our ears are also not as sensative at lower volume levels.  Even my Alpine car stereo had dynamic loudness.  Some amps only have a loudness button that just boosts the highs and lows.  Same effect, just not variable.  As a Yamaha amp owner, I never have a problem hearing my sub at low volumes.

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Well, with that in mind this new box eliminates that issue, the bass frequencies are adjusted into more ear responsive frequencies giving the illusion that there is more bass.
Like I said, it's called loudness, we've had that for years.  
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As well as that, this box uses the positional sound information from DVD movies/games and puts the sound where its suppose to be by tricking us into thinking so. The sound is coming from one direction - infront, but this box gives the illusion that the sound is coming from behind us, over the top of us etc etc. Hard to believe I know?
Not really.  It's called hinting, and as you said it's a way of tricking your ears into thinking something is coming from a particular location by putting directional information that tricks our ears into the sound.  Like I said, research a company called Base, they were doing this in the 80's with only two speakers. They did the surround sound for The Little Mermaid.  Also, many of the 3D sound libraries for computers (I can't think of any names right now) include the ability to add hinting as well so people using headphones can still get "3D sound."
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With Traditional 5.1 or 7.1 you have to be standing directly in the middle of all the speakers to get the full effect of positional sound - ie AC-3 Dolby Digital. With this box you can be anywhere in the room, because what you are actually hearing to a certain effect is an illusion, sound is coming from infront, yet we perceive it to becoming from behind. Its basically tricking us into hearing where the sound is coming from.

Hope that makes a little more sense
 Makes perfect sense, all I'm saying is this has been done before, even back in the late 80s.  Whatever happend to Base and their $200 processor box that would give you surround sound with only two speakers?  I don't know, but in 1989 they looked really promising.  All I can figure is Dolby queitly bought them out and shut them down because they wanted to continue to make systems that would sell more speakers and not less speakers.
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2004, 01:55:00 PM »

that stupid *Tricking* doesn't work, i have it on my tv, and still sounds like it's coming from the front.  This is a simple rip-off...
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2004, 08:17:00 AM »

Anybody ever own a packard bell back around 94-95?  The speakers mounted on the monitor and you could flip on the '3d sound' and it made it all hollowed out ?  rotfl.gif now that was a joke.
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2004, 09:05:00 AM »

I walked into a audio/video type store and asked the salesman, "Show me the absolute cheapest solution to achieve 5.1 sorround sound you have". The knuckle head brought me into a back-room home theatre setup and gave me a demonstration of a 2.1 system that simulated 5.1. He would tell me to close my eyes and imagine a horse and buggy coming from the rear-left to the front-right. He gave me a few scenarioes like that, and it did sound like it was coming from those directions. In retrospect, I think it was trickery. Because he was telling me where to expect the sound, that's where I expected it to come from, and hence, that's where I would hear it come from.

I called the salesman a knuckle head earlier because when the demo was over, he told me the speakers alone would cost me $5000! That's a real cheap solution, knuckle head! dry.gif
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2004, 03:02:00 PM »

My Harman Kardon receiver has a system like that called VMAX - it takes the 5.1 Dolby Digital signal and uses just the front speakers to produce a half assed stereo effect - Not a bad idea - better than stereo, but not better that DD 5.1!  
But i do appreciate it when using it with headphones~JS
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« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2004, 04:03:00 PM »

i still say a decent pair of stereo headphones are the best surround you can get...

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« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2004, 11:58:00 PM »

Sounds nice, but I already have surround sound for both my Xbox's
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2004, 10:59:00 PM »

QUOTE (Devil-Man @ Jul 10 2004, 05:17 PM)
Anybody ever own a packard bell back around 94-95?  The speakers mounted on the monitor and you could flip on the '3d sound' and it made it all hollowed out ?  rotfl.gif now that was a joke.

I did.  Good lord, what a joke.  

All I remember about that system was its 7 GB, yes a WHOLE 7GB of HDD space, along with its Celeron Processor (poor man's processor).  

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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2004, 10:45:00 AM »

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Apparently it gives the illusion of 5.1 surround sound out of a conventional 2 speaker stereo system, with more clarity and the illusion of substantially more bass.

Absolute crap just like virtual dolby was and is. Its like me telling you i can shout you from the front of the room and my voice will come from behind you. it will not be any substitute for the correct and real thing.
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2004, 11:05:00 AM »

QUOTE (Chancer @ Jul 26 2004, 10:48 AM)
Absolute crap just like virtual dolby was and is. Its like me telling you i can shout you from the front of the room and my voice will come from behind you. it will not be any substitute for the correct and real thing.

Apparently you've never heard the Base product I mentioned earlier in this thread.  Audio hinting is real and it is pretty amazing.

I'll hold out my opinion until I hear this box, but the Base branded stuff back int he 90's was amazing. beerchug.gif
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2004, 11:11:00 AM »

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Apparently you've never heard the Base product I mentioned earlier in this thread

No I have not but I have been on plenty of manufacturers courses who were trying to show us the virtues of this type of set up and indeed seen and heard plenty at customers premises.
I still remain unconvinced. If it worked as well then why is there any need for any of the other more complex systems
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