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Jynsta

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« on: January 05, 2004, 07:20:00 AM »

Anyone have the VD-Z3? It's kinda new, more details can be found here: http://www.vdigi.com/

I was considering the VD-Z3 over the X2VGA since it is more flexible, it'll work with any component input so you can use it with any console, dvd player, etc that outputs that. For X2VGA, I don't like the idea I'll have to purchase another one once the xbox2 or ps3 comes out.
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Physick

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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2004, 03:42:00 PM »

You wont be able to see the Live dashboard and you have to plug it in if you use the Key Digital.  X2vga lets you see non progressive for dashboard use and doesnt need to be plugged in.  X2vga is the best selling VGA adaptor.
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2004, 05:57:00 PM »

I have one, work great, the VDZ3 also allow display the non progressive for dashboard, plus it have VGA swtich and it compatible with PS2 GC...etc. And it cheaper too.
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2004, 10:20:00 PM »

Personally, I'd go with the x2vga for the following reasons:

1. No need for HD AV pack to make it work. (Unlike Key Digital)
2. No need for a horrid external PSU to make it work. (Unlike Key Digital & VDZ3)
3. It is a single purpose device designed specfically for the xbox.
4. It has Dolby 5.1 via digital audio output.
5. Great product, good build quality, and the best VGA picture out there - no competition!
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2004, 12:35:00 PM »

I have a key digital, when you say the image quality is poor compare to the others, since you have used all three, how is it poor? Is the image washed out perhaps compare to the others?
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2004, 01:43:00 PM »

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VDigi VD-Z3 Review

Before you read this review I would just like to point out that the VD-Z3 is not Xbox-VGA adapter. It can be used to convert an HDTV signal from an Xbox to a CRT (just like an Xbox VGA adapter), but it can be used for so much more.

Presentation
VDigi does such a great job putting together this whole package. The colorful box is very small which opens up to reveal an even tinier transcoder unit. Each package contains:

• A VD-Z3 Component to VGA Transcoder adapter
• A Power Supply adapter
• An Xbox Component Cable (Generic)
• An Audio Y-cable adapter
• A Xbox to USB Adapter*
• Package of Manual, Reference Card, Packing Slip

*The Xbox to USB Adapter was a promotional item that was available at time I ordered this product. You have to contact VDigi to inquire whether or not the promotion is still being offered.

Everything seems so professional, which is quite surprising from a company that’s practically unheard of here in the United States. The VD-Z3 actually features a sleek product design compared to other VGA adapters/component transcoders. The unit features two LED indicator lights, an orange one for power (which is always on if you use the built-in VGA switch) and an alluring blue light (similar to the one on Playstation 2 consoles) for a YPrPb connection. The component input and VGA input/outputs are separated to cause not a huge mess with wires. The config switch and the video input selector are conveniently located on the side. Setting up the unit using the config switch maybe a problem if you have big fingers and/or short nails, but the real problem is trying to adjust the brightness on the unit which is located right next to the DC in and the component inputs—your small fingers/long nails aren’t really going to help you with this one, just hope you have something small to stick in there.

What’s really impressing is the well-planned out manual. Everything you wanted to know about the VD-Z3 is explained in the manual. There are a few grammar mistakes here and there, but it’s understandable considering they’re a company located in Hong Kong. The Quick Reference Card is very useful for having to change the settings on the config switch or if you need a visual diagram for setting up your Xbox to the unit.

Video Quality
This is really the only thing that matters when searching for a product like this. No matter how innovative, what features are included, or anything else—if the transcoder can’t convert signals properly it just isn’t worth the money. And I knew what to expect when I got the VD-Z3. I’ve spent countless hours in front of a huge HDTV back at my parents’ house. I wasn’t going to accept some cheap line-doubler (which the VD-Z3 is NOT). I tested out the VD-Z3 on two monitors: a Trinitron flat-screen CRT and a new, high-end LCD monitor.

CRT Impressions
Using the VD-Z3 on a CRT produced great results. The picture was unbelievably sharp. In fact, it seemed too sharp and I found myself lowering the contrast settings on my monitor. However, after a few hours of playing time I got used to sharpness. I had the same feeling when I played Xbox on an HDTV for the first time, and I did find myself configuring the settings on the TV, but after lots of playtime I was really pleased with the picture, especially when I when I played using a composite connection at a friend’s house and really realized how superior HDTV is to standard composite RCA. The colors were perfect on my monitor, and I didn’t find any need to play around with the config switch, except to enable 480i Setup Mode. The best thing I can recommend to deal with the extra sharpness is to sit a few feet back from your monitor; you have to this when using a real HDTV to ensure the highest quality picture. However, games with Anti-Aliasing like Project Gotham Racing 2 look absolutely GORGEOUS. This simply has to been seen to be believed.

LCD Impressions
Hideous is the word that comes to mind. Nothing is wrong with the VD-Z3 itself as it is LCD technology. LCD’s can only display their native resolution really well, and everything else doesn’t look as great. Most Xbox games are displayed natively in 480p, which transcodes to 640 X 480. Since most LCD’s have their native resolution to be much higher than 640 X 480, games are going to look blurry. The VD-Z3 produces a really sharp image, and unfortunately the bold sharpness and the blurriness don’t cancel each other out—instead it produces a mess. By all means avoid using an LCD with this product if you plan on hooking it up to a game console. I found composite video to look superior than a console with the VD-Z3 hooked up to an LCD. Keep in mind this was a high end LCD, which is surprisingly good for PC gaming in its native resolution and features no ghosting whatsoever. I can’t imagine how much worse the picture could look with a mid-range or a low-end LCD.

But when displaying FMV, the LCD seemed to display a better image than the CRT. If you plan on hooking up a progressive-scan DVD player or another sort of device besides a game console to the VD-Z3, than an LCD would be suitable.

As an Xbox VGA Adapter
As stated before, the VD-Z3 is not a specifically made Xbox-VGA converter as the Neoya X2VGA Adapter. However, it is currently being bundled to work with your Xbox right out of the box.

Everything you need to plug your Xbox to your VGA monitor is included in the box: An Xbox component cable and an audio Y-cable adapter as well as nifty Quick Setup Reference Card for Xbox users. The component cable that is included is generic, and does not support digital audio as the official HDTV pack from MS or the ones Monster Cable manufacture. But since most people are more than likely going to use this with standard PC-speaker sets, the component cables hooked with the Y-adapter should suffice. With the X2VGA, no video cables are needed since it plugs directly to the audio/video output on the Xbox console, which creates less clutter as opposed the extra cables that the VD-Z3. However, with the audio Y-adapter and the VGA selector switch (which is built-in with the VD-Z3) that Neoya is now bundling with new X2VGA orders, there’s just as much clutter if not more with that ugly VGA selector switch taking up space on your desk.

But what it really comes down to is this: Which VGA adapter produces the better picture quality? From my understanding, both adapters produce high quality HDTV signals similarly with neither one having an edge over the other. There have been a few reports of incompatibilities with the X2VGA with newer Xbox models because of different (cheaper) video chips inside of them, but Neoya has already addressed this problem with a newer version of their product.

The only thing where the X2VGA really shines over the VD-Z3 is the better 480i viewing mode. Neither adapter nor any component-to-VGA converter can produce a 480i signal fully compatible with a VGA adapter, but Neoya’s 480i’s EasyView is superior to VDigi’s 480i Setup mode, simply because of the ability to scroll through the image. The image is cropped and fitted with the VD-Z3. Though this is okay with the Dashboard, it could cause some problems with other products in the future. However, since the X2VGA is designed for the Xbox console, and accessibility to the Dashboard is a necessity for Xbox owners, the VD-Z3 was designed for converting HDTV from any source, so 480i support is not on the top of priority list for HDTV enthusiasts.

So when it comes down to strictly Xbox, you can’t go wrong with either adapter with the VD-Z3 being a few dollars cheaper.

Conclusion
I first heard of the VD-Z3 from an Xbox messageboard. Being in the market for a component to VGA adapter for all my consoles I was very intrigued by this product. The sales representative answered all my questions completely and quickly. My order was processed within twenty-four hours, and it only took a week from the day I ordered for the product to be shipped USPS to my parents’ house (Mail services were closed at my college dorm during the winter where I was living).

Since I’ve been so used to HDTV for so long, I needed a way to experience that in my college dorm without spending hundreds of dollars on an HDTV. This is simply the best adapter available for any kind of component to VGA converting. It’s compatible with every game console (with games that support HDTV), every progressive-scan DVD player and any other device you have lying around that displays in high definition. There is no need to waste more money on a device specifically designed for one product. If you’re an Xbox gamer and you don’t have an HDTV, but have a decent CRT, you owe it to yourself to order one of these and experience what your Xbox is capable of.

It’s just painful to go back to anything else that’s not HDTV once you use this product.

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Dreamcazman

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2004, 09:26:00 PM »

I've had a KDS X-blaster and still have the X2VGA and I find the X2VGA much easier to use.

The KDS was a pain in the arse, wouldn't work properly with my monitor and having to use an extra power point was annoying. I'm glad I got rid of it on Ebay not too long ago.

That VD-Z3 looks like it may do a similar job to the KDS, but at least they include a component cable with it (but no 5.1 output - bah!)

The X2VGA outputs a brilliant picture, had digital audio output, is fairly inexpensive and designed for Xbox  cool.gif
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redwolf

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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2004, 02:45:00 PM »

nefarious0 thats not my review, i got it from another xbox forum from a guy caled Master Blaster. I did order one on Tuesday 27/1/04 and they said delivery will be 7days here in U.K. so i'll let you know how it is. Other forums (not sure if i can give direct links) such as Gamehit and TeamXbox do mention this device to be exactly same graphic quality as X2vga, but its compatible with and any HD devices, inc. future games console etc. so no need to look for another VGA box for Xbox2 (thats if xbox2 doesn't have the same AVIP slot, similer to PSone and PS2) and it cheaper as well. And those ppl saying X2vga is much easier to use, well you're correct but how hard is to plug-in few cables to VD-Z3 box, i mean its not chipping your xbox or making a VGA box. Anyway can't wait to get mine biggrin.gif

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benzaldehyde

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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2004, 09:46:00 AM »

Hey Red,

    Do you have a newer XBox or an older one? On my new XBox w/ an X2VGA, I note an annoying diagonal interference pattern. It shows most prominently on solid color backgrounds, and you have to look closely. It seems to be the X2VGA, and Neoya is at a loss to explain the problem. Do you note a lack of this in your picture? If there isn't such a problem with the VD-Z3, then I'm going to order one right away. Thanks!

    -Benzaldehyde
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redwolf

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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2004, 10:16:00 AM »

Benzaldehyde i have not got it yet unsure.gif mine is been ordered. look above post. and regarding compatibility with newer xbox model here is a quote from VDigi's main page
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VD-Z3 works perfect on all version of XBOX   
As most of you know the new v1.4 and v1.5 Xbox had a new FOCUS video encoder (FS454) which replaced the old Conexant version (CX25871), We have already tested our product VD-Z3 on any versions of XBOX, it works perferct without any problems.
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2004, 03:30:00 PM »

Going off what i have read in other threads on this forum, the reason tha the x2vga doesn't work properly on newer xboxes is because they use a different video encoding chip.
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redwolf

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2004, 04:50:00 PM »

QUOTE (benzaldehyde @ Jan 30 2004, 10:31 PM)
Sorry, perhaps I should clarify. Clarification is good... smile.gif I actually have an X2VGA that is a newer version; that is, it can work with the newer XBoxes with a few flips of the DIP switches. However, the diagonal interference pattern is prominent no matter what the color scheme. My fear is that it a flaw in the newer XBoxes, and not in the transcoders. This is why I'm worried about the so-called "compatibility" with newer models, no matter the transcoder.

it is the transcoder. This is a fault in X2vga. Anyway, this was taken from VDigi's FAQ page
Q: My adapters have a problem using XBOX V1.4/V1.5, the Diagonal lines accross the screen and purplish colours. Will VD-Z3 have the same problem?

A: No, VD-Z3 is completely support all current version of XBOX.
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2004, 06:43:00 PM »

dry.gif the only crap I can get up here are those damn line doublers from like liksang, or the x2vga (which would set me back much more $ then the vd-z3 would) and the vd-z3 is well, future proof, as im sure all next generation consoles will still be using Component output as there cable of choice.

ah one other thing, most people say monster cables give a better image on hdtv setups, has any one that uses the vd-z3 tried replacing the standard cables they included and tried using some "Monster" component cables? can you notice a diffrence? (should be easier to see on a crt then an hdtv) huh.gif
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2004, 02:19:00 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2004, 06:27:00 AM »

Looks like there is finally a good alternative to the x2vga. Ill order one this weekend and see how it does.
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