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« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2003, 08:00:00 PM »
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If you want maybe to keep a tight control over 'spin-off' versions. you maybe could enforce via license that only source patches are to be published and no versions could be derived (like the SSH client for windows, "putty")


How do you expect him to enforce a license on ILLEGAL software. laugh.gif  Forgive me if I'm wrong, but UnleashX was developed with a stollen XDK.  ph34r.gif

And this rationalization can be added to the list of reasons as to why we don't have more homebrew developers on the XBox... it's also another reason to develop a legal one. Until then, wouldn't it be swell to respect the various licenses these homebrewers stack on their code? Surely, we respect our developers at least that much. Using that rationale is like saying it's OK to take MXM, rename it, and throw in a few minor features- then call it new and give BJ the finger (it's one of many examples that could be employed for your rationale).
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« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2003, 08:01:00 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2003, 08:24:00 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2003, 12:03:00 AM »
QUOTE (Large Dopant white @ Dec 17 2003, 06:00 AM)
QUOTE (joseph_hac @ Dec 17 2003, 04:50 AM)
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If you want maybe to keep a tight control over 'spin-off' versions. you maybe could enforce via license that only source patches are to be published and no versions could be derived (like the SSH client for windows, "putty")


How do you expect him to enforce a license on ILLEGAL software. laugh.gif  Forgive me if I'm wrong, but UnleashX was developed with a stollen XDK.  ph34r.gif

And this rationalization can be added to the list of reasons as to why we don't have more homebrew developers on the XBox... it's also another reason to develop a legal one. Until then, wouldn't it be swell to respect the various licenses these homebrewers stack on their code? Surely, we respect our developers at least that much. Using that rationale is like saying it's OK to take MXM, rename it, and throw in a few minor features- then call it new and give BJ the finger (it's one of many examples that could be employed for your rationale).

wow, wow, wow,

I think you have me wrong, bud. I didn't say we shouldn't respect the deverlopers' wishes, I simply said that the license cannot be LEGALLY enforced.

Example:

BenJeremy can say MXM source is under the GPL, but what is he going to do if someone decides to distribute a spinoff without the source code. Nothing! He can't seek legal action. That's ludicris! They'd throw HIM in jail for possessing the XDK.

I have the XDK, but I know in reality it doesn't make any sense to distribute programs under any kind of legal license.  That would be like calling the cops because someone stole you kilo of coke!
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« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2003, 12:18:00 AM »
quite right.
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« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2003, 01:31:00 AM »
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« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2003, 01:33:00 AM »
I would like to hear BJ's stance on this issue as well.
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« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2003, 02:52:00 AM »
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i like to USE my OS, not recompile its kernel every other week. I have to get stuff done on this machine every day.


As any systems administrator will tell you, there is no need to be updating the kernel every few days, as stable builds of the kernel do not appear every other day. Any who feels the need to be re-compiling their Core system every other day should be asking themselves WHY?.


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Dont try and tell me I could make better skins with...."The Gimp" and how much better Gimp is than PS or FW2004, because its opensource.


I think the G.I.M.P (Graphics Image Manipulation Program) is actually for being opensource quite a powerful little application. I salute the GIMP Team for their work as they are offering a free-to-distribute application which can compete quite easily with todays market-place offerings, such as the Adobe / Macromedia suite. G.I.M.P does not have the user support of a customer services desk, however the community behind it is just as good IMHO.

It opens up a creative door to developers and artists alike. While I am a hardened Photoshop user since the early days I am in no way biased towards either / or.

However putting a point over that it's more about "that's shit" or "that's no good". I like to make a point for and against.


In closing, I am not having a "bash" at anyone, this is purely a reflection on the previous thread issues.

Regards,
MarkH aka sektor3
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« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2003, 03:14:00 AM »
just keeping the arguement where it applies strictly to the scene... can you say XBMP/XBMC.

XBMC was started why?  because xbmp was turning out just like hydraulix said. Bloated because too many hands where in the cookie jar.

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« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2003, 04:47:00 AM »
which is why you have it to "trusted" dev's only! FOR THE STABLE TREE.

If you read what I have clearly outlined it does say have two seperate source tree's, this is normal practice and it avoids such implications of "too many hands in the cookie jar' as you put it.
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« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2003, 03:16:00 PM »
see thats kinda the problem with open source ...... YOUR OPINION .... sure you can have all of these neat geek features ..... but in the end when its starts to suck and fall apart because of all these nice "fixes" and "features" no one is going to call you a crappy programmer or call your software a pile of shit ... thats because its nots your.

 the only persons who lose out in open source is the Author.


As for linux....... really people. Come on now ..... Linux has its place .... just not on my desktop. (and before you folks start jumpin up and down telling me I don't know a thing about linux ..... do keep in mind that I am just down the hall from one of the worlds LARGEST linux installation ....... of course we are in the proccess of coverting to Windows 2k3 .... but none the less its still linux.)

OH .. just a note .... one thing i have noticed in my 15 or so years in this feild is that linux causes one VERY BAD side effect ..... total spagetti code. I mean ABSOLUTE CRAP. that is the problem with Linux Programmers have no structure.....this is fine for some little app like putty .... but its a total mindfuck for anything over a million lines of code.....

And for anyone who is wondering WHY we are converting .... well it all has to do with usability and support.

Linux ROCKS .... it makes a wonderfull wifi gateway ..... or even a semicool webserver. BUT FLATTLY ...... you just can't do the same things easly with Linux ..... and man .... no .NET ....... that killed it for me.
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« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2003, 03:41:00 PM »
well i didnt want to turn the thread into a linux vs windows issue, i was just using the 2 OS's as examples of opensource vs closed source.

I think you stated it perfectly with the term "spaghetti code"
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« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2003, 04:00:00 PM »
About XBMP/C
I find XBMP loads files faster and requires less HD space than XBMC.  So I don't see how XBMP can be called more bloat than XBMC.
*This is in no way any disrespect to XBMC, as it is still under development.  Great job, btw.

And you can avoid "spaghetti code" by a little organization, instead of letting everyone just shove thier code into your app.  Remeber, you are still the author, and you get to decide what is included or not.

And IMO the only reason you find better apps for windows in general is because you have to buy them; they are developed commercially, whereas lots of linux stuff is free.
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« Reply #43 on: December 17, 2003, 06:01:00 PM »
QUOTE (geniusalz @ Dec 18 2003, 02:00 AM)
About XBMP/C
I find XBMP loads files faster and requires less HD space than XBMC.  So I don't see how XBMP can be called more bloat than XBMC.
*This is in no way any disrespect to XBMC, as it is still under development.  Great job, btw.

bloat was in no way meant to be interpreted in disk space.  It was meant to be interpreted as "keep adding new shit without fixing the old shit" Sure some stuff would get fixed over time.  but for the most part.. it was looking like a dead end road.

Yes it takes more disk space,  but is also a lot better program for being an alpha,  Im glad they started XBMC... and very gald they picked up the webserver that xbmp dropped.


I still like both apps,  but no doubt the chips are on xbmc.
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« Reply #44 on: December 17, 2003, 07:50:00 PM »
QUOTE (hydraulix @ Dec 18 2003, 12:41 AM)
I can tell you open source is bad. just take a look at linux, if open source is so good, why isnt linux on everyones desktop instead of windows...

people start adding unessasary junk that they personally feel would benefit the project, and that always results in more bugs, more unstability, more bloat, and more crap features no one will ever use except "that one guy"...

I think you stated it perfectly with the term "spaghetti code"...

My two cents... hydraulix's posts are all FUD.  Don't bother defending yourself; he is obviously ignorant as to the benefits of OSS.
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