Topic: God, I Hate Everything About Slayer's (Read 63 times)

mrRobinson · « **Reply #15 on:** February 19, 2004, 06:52:00 AM »

All i have to say is don't shoot the messenger. I use the installers when i do friends xbox's... just easy and i don't customize anything like I do on my Xbox. So they have their place it isn't their fault that lazy people look for the shortest, easiest way to accomplish something without putting in any work. Those people may pay the price too when things go wrong and they haven't a clue how to fix it.

Krill123 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 19, 2004, 07:46:00 AM »

On the other hand, a newbie that uses slayers and screws up their box will be forced to search for answers.. Thus forcing them to learn how to service their own box.

spicymeatball911 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 19, 2004, 10:07:00 AM »

Slayers is an excellent tool, I use it as a boot disk and way to always FTP, but maybe we could find some way to make it a little bit better. Maybe a simple readme within slayers would be good, something like "Learn to do this stuff yourself", and yes, there definatly should be alot more acknowledgement within slayers. All it takes is 5 minutes to read "Total n00bs guide to everything" and you will be set. If there was just a way to force this, that would be great. I know lazy people don't really care about the modding itself and people just want to quickly do something easily, but I think its just sadd people don't know what they are doing.

It's common courtesy to learn just a little bit. Moreso, you should give a little back. I know 3 people in my school that modded their xbox and have never been to xbox-scene. Before slayers, I wouldn't think that would be possible without tons of help from another friend, which would sitll be learning too.

player1 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 19, 2004, 01:34:00 PM »

andrusk · « **Reply #19 on:** February 19, 2004, 01:50:00 PM »

Ill agree with HSDEMONZ when I say that newhdevox is the only one ill ever endorse as well. I love newhdevox, it makes it real simple for me to format a new drive and lock it, right off the bat. Then after I got the formatting done, I move on to ftping over mxm and I never use the newhdevox disk or evox ever again, they are far more primitive to anything that mxm has to offer. So I guess that I do agree that autoinstallers are nice, but only if your using them for the basic purpose of formating a disc and locking it. Other than that, if you cant figure out how to edit .xml or .ini files and add programs to your drive without some "auto" disk, you should not be modding an xbox, let alone ever even touch a modded xbox.

Wanted · « **Reply #20 on:** February 19, 2004, 02:55:00 PM »

I wish I knew about autoinstallers when I started. Sure I wouldn't have learnt as much but most of what I learnt isn't worth jack after it's installed and everything. I haven't even seen an autoinstaller before and i'm lazy and don't know the "behind-the-scenes code" authors names.... but I guess I don't know the names of the autoinstaller creators either.

Grendelsfire · « **Reply #21 on:** February 19, 2004, 04:18:00 PM »

dariceeater · « **Reply #22 on:** February 19, 2004, 05:51:00 PM »

ok, well, I have just recently ordered my modchip, and it hasn't even arrived yet, but i have read just about every tutorial and article there is on xbox-scene. For the past 2 months i have been planning on modding my xbox, but just now got around to ordering an x2.3b lite, becuase of the lack of stock. I, as a first time modder, see nothing wrong with the auto-installers. I plan on putting a new hard drive in, along with many apps and emus, and i see no reason why i shouldn't just use a one time quick install, then go through and get each individual app. I actually have most of the apps i want now, and have read the documentation to them, just in preperation for the time when i do mod my xbox. I actually have even modified evox ini's for my own personal box, and the skins i want to use.

Ok, i didnt read over what i just wrote so i may not make sense, but I agree with most of you when you say that it just encourages people to not learn how to do these things on your own, but sometimes its better to make things a little easier. All the things i planned to do manually, can be done by slayers or x-disk, so i dont see why i shouldnt use them.

I am actually still not sure if i should use slayers or x-disk.. if youve read my situation, what do you think?

throwingks · « **Reply #23 on:** February 20, 2004, 06:29:00 AM »

You anti-Slayers are idiots. The whole purpose of the scene was to learn and use. Since intelligent people made it easy for others to understand, they get ridiculed. I can overclock my computer to the max, because of countless hours of resarch, I can encode and decode any video format, because of countless hours of research and I can throw a fastball over 90 miles an hour consistently because of countless hours of research and practise. So, as I understand it, even though someone has set it up so that I dont have to do more countless hours of research, you all want me too. Well, I say I don't have the time and it makes me happy. When I learned overclocking and encoding I had the time. Baseball is my life so I made the time. As far as XboX, I dont want to spend the time re-setting up what someone else has already done for me. As far as I am concerned Slayers saved the scene and introduced it to a huge audience that would have never seen it. Thank you Slayers.

And for my last rant. no0b's are just that, new to the scene. So new in fact that they may not know there is a such thing as a search feature, or there are other people that have had even close to the same problem before. Every single one of you were there at some point in your life. Show some compassion.

The LukeMan · « **Reply #24 on:** February 20, 2004, 07:00:00 AM »

overclocking your computer heres a star

Exobex · « **Reply #25 on:** February 20, 2004, 07:31:00 AM »

My two penn'orth:-

I never bothered downloading Slayer's, it was too big to pull via dial-up and I couldn't access it through the 155Mbit connection in work. So I pulled the basic EvoX Install CD 1.2 from #xboxemu (as Freeserve users were being automatically banned from #xbins at the time). That was about 15 months ago.

It did the job nicely, a simple install with a few apps. But I was interested in seeing how it worked, how to add more apps, etc. So I started playing with it.
Within weeks, I went from knowing absolutely jack shit about EvolutionX to having my own custom install disc, which has evolved as new applications have been released. The menu is not too different from the original, but the disc now features the latest EvolutionX (with customised boot logo), 200 skins (with the saucy ones installed separately), a PC Engine emulator with 237 games, 26 homebrew games and the latest versions of 4 applications (DVD-X2, Enigmah Videomode Selector, Px HDD Loader and Xbox Media Player). In addition, a pile of "professional" applications (BoxPlorer, ConfigMagic, DVD2XBOX etc. - the sort of apps you can delete things with) are installed in a \proapps folder on the Xbox, hidden away until you enable them via FTP. This means that nobody can screw up their Xbox unless they've fiddled with it via FTP first. Only the safe applications are available by default.
Add to this the capability of formatting F: only (to get that extra space on 10GB drives), G: only, C: only (to recover a screwed dash) or the whole drive (to install a new one for example), the option of installing the applications to E: or F:, plus the ability to run ConfigMagic or boXplorer direct from the install disc (for the odd bit of tweaking) and the result is a comprehensive, custom install disc that is even easier to use than the original. For example, in the "Ultra-fast Install Menu" that's listed at the top of the main menu, a complete install can by done by choosing "Format F: only", "Install the lot to E:, F:", "Install 'too much' skins", "Fix read-only attributes". For a youngster with an 8GB-equipped Xbox, it's even easier, "Install the lot to E:", "Fix read-only attributes" does the job.

I was given a copy of Slayers 2.5 a few months ago. I checked it out (because I wanted to see if the read-only attribute fixer, attrib.xbe had been updated), found the installation and user menus to be a total headful, and gave it back.

ANYONE can make their own auto-installer. Just download the original EvoX Install CD and play about with it. That's what I did, and hundreds of people in South Wales are happy with it.

kernel_trap · « **Reply #26 on:** February 20, 2004, 07:35:00 AM »

Krill123 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 20, 2004, 08:57:00 AM »

I just don't see how anybody can say the scene is being "ruined".. ?

There is alot of progress being made everyday..

Imagine if someone would have dissed X-Port when he first came on here asking questions and pissed him off... Would we have everything we now take for granted?

My point is... Maybe a new guy coming on the scene does not contribute at first... But who knows if one of them in the future will develop a kickass software for the xbox... Or will discover something none of us even thought of.

The way I see it.. The more people are on here, the better... Newbies included.

The LukeMan · « **Reply #28 on:** February 20, 2004, 10:26:00 AM »

I see why they say the scenes being "ruined" because of the ease that slayers gives users to install everythin automatically people are asking dumbass questions and sometimes in the wrong forums and they dont SEARCH

Corspegrinder99 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 20, 2004, 11:36:00 AM »

well i did it "the old fashion way" once. but now i use stuff like SlaYerS and X-Disk to save time

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