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networkBoy

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« Reply #90 on: October 26, 2004, 05:19:00 PM »
QUOTE (Keno @ Jan 18 2004, 09:23 PM)
To bad that there isn't any PCI-port on the xbox  wink.gif

There is something almost as good that everyone always ignores.  The Low Pin Count interface. 4Bitsx33MHz = 16.5 MegaBytes / sec (132Mbps) *

QUOTE (EvilWays @ Jan 11 2004, 11:32 AM)
Your Xbox only has USB 1.1 [...] Your Xbox HDD is only on an ATA33 controller (the other big bottleneck).

IIRC the Xbox is USB 1.0 not 1.1
The difference is subtle but important.  You will not be able to use the USB port for live video at all.  

QUOTE (miazmaticdotcom @ Jul 1 2004, 07:39 PM)
Ok, here it is as I see it. Right now the Xbox has no video input device, right? Wrong.
In response to the PS2 EyeToy, MS announced an Xbox Live web chat camera thing. I'm sure the software for that could be used to take video in from elsewhere as well.
It's a start. Did anyone else think of this?

Yes but the quality will be shit., thus not worth the effort.  To do this on a 1.0 interface will result in choppy video.

QUOTE (Mr Ed @ Oct 18 2004, 11:17 PM)
Uh, no...USB 1.0 and 1.1 = 12Mbits per secondmax. 
USB 2.0 = 480Mbits per second max.

you forgot one really important spec:  Half Duplex.  you can send or receive data at that rate, not both.  The turn around costs time and USB does not support streaming thus you will never realize the full speed.



So this is my 2c on all of this.  I don't think it is worth the effort, I am not going to waste what little time I have to experiment on this.  Besides I'm already busy hacking on another hopeless cause:  defeating the HDD lock jester.gif


*:  This is a half duplex interface designed to interface to a streaming capable comm interface (i.e. ethernet/firewire/modem/serial port/etc.  NOT USB).
Due to #frame being assed up on some units, there is no universal solution.
-nB
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« Reply #91 on: October 26, 2004, 05:55:00 PM »
QUOTE (sayguh @ Oct 26 2004, 02:27 PM)
ahhh, i hope the thread nazi's don't yell at me, but......OK so i admit i didn't read the last 4 pages of this thread b/c well....i'm lazy.  BUT  i read on another thread that there was some research started on inputing through the ethernet port.  Any news on that?  Any websites or such on a device that could theortically go from coax to cat5?  That would solve the bottleneck problem.  But there is that hard drive bottle neck still (though i don't know too much about hdd's so i couldn't understand how big of a bottle neck it is)

thnx guys :-D

(PS I'd be a thread nazi too, too many people keep saying the same crap)

Uh ok.  So first, video over cat5 exists.  Ever watched a QuickTime movie or a Windows Media Player streaming video?

And of course that's what the mythtv app that is discussed in this thread refers to.

Of course, that isn't video capture over cat5, that's just output/streaming.

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« Reply #92 on: October 26, 2004, 08:07:00 PM »
if any one cares http://forums.shalla...topic.php?t=469

think some one has done it  huh.gif
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« Reply #93 on: October 26, 2004, 11:36:00 PM »
That barely passes for VHS quality (not quite VCD quality). USB 1.1's 1.25MByte burst max. transfer rate doesn't help with transfer rate and at best, you could probably use a hardware MPEG-1 or -2 encoder, but then one still has to deal with transfer from the capture device to the HDD and it'll probably mean editing (possible studdering).

Until proven otherwise, a MythTV setup is still the best.
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« Reply #94 on: October 27, 2004, 12:20:00 AM »
Thats decent quality to watch TV on a regular basis?  Thats how you want to watch the bulk of TV?  So for those who are Boston fans, would you be happy recording the world series in this quality? Come on, get a grip.  Since you already have to spend ~$100-150.00 besides the XBox to do this, why not just save another 250-300 and build a MythTV server? You can get the PVR-250 for less than $100.00 USD now, plus a few other parts and your set.  Not only are you able to get a nice looking picture, you can schedule your recordings thru the web.  
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« Reply #95 on: October 30, 2004, 10:42:00 AM »
Go to the 2nd page of this forum and read the topic on this.
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« Reply #96 on: October 31, 2004, 10:21:00 AM »
Merged another one from Pir8  dry.gif
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« Reply #97 on: October 31, 2004, 10:36:00 AM »
I was just curious has anyone ever taken a drive out of a Replay or Tivo and hokked it up to see what happens?
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« Reply #98 on: November 28, 2004, 02:03:00 AM »
Hi

I have wondered if it could be possible to attach a USB TV-Tuner to my xbox. As I understand it the xbox is using USB 1.1 which should allow 12MBps transfer rate. This should be ok for decent compressed video quality.
For some reason I cant really find anything on this subject anywhere.

It could be nice with this setup as a HTPC-like thing I think wink.gif

Any thoughts on this?

/Duce

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« Reply #99 on: November 28, 2004, 05:22:00 AM »
Only Linux will support this if it's got drivers for your tv-tuner. Thats the therotical speed of usb 1.1, it's more lik 2-6mb/s, http://gentoox.shallax.com has a great MCE Linux edition but it wipes your F drive so be careful. I think it supports TV-Tuners?
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« Reply #100 on: November 29, 2004, 09:28:00 AM »
Merged another one.  dry.gif
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« Reply #101 on: November 29, 2004, 11:00:00 AM »
I hate this topic.
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« Reply #102 on: December 27, 2004, 03:20:00 PM »
Google it.
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« Reply #103 on: December 28, 2004, 08:12:00 AM »
MCE

this might help
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« Reply #104 on: December 30, 2004, 08:41:00 AM »
Wouldn't the best (and possibly only) solution to this much discussed problem be a Tv capture device that instead of using usb, just used a UTP network connection?

This is theoretical off course, seeing there aren't any such devices on the market (which I find strange, there are loads of great applications for this kind of thing).

Or do they exist?

Cheers
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