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ChrisF

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« Reply #60 on: April 08, 2004, 12:42:00 PM »
QUOTE (Rodstorm @ Apr 8 2004, 01:39 PM)
Interesting comparison between the 2 types of cables, I have a 59 inch widescreen rear projection tv, with rear projection you never get a perfect quality picture only a big one but which of these 2 cables would make a difference with what I have given my lack of picture quality?
I dont know if monster cables are available here in Australia.

Actually a CRT based RPTV can produce images that are supperior to any of the nee more expensive technologies out there.  You can pay up big dollars for a plama set and bottom line the CRT will surpass it in picture quality and accuracy.  The form factor is nothing to write home about but under good conditions a properly calibrated CRT based RPTV can blow away displays that sell for 3-4x as much.  Don't get me wrong, I love the hang on the wall form factor and DLP for front projection but right now each of these technologies has yet to surpass CRT (admittedly they are cooler and many are easier to calibrate).

All that being said, if you television is not HD then any decent component cables will produce better quality than S-video or composite but not by a massive margin.  If your set is HD compatible, then component cables all the way.  Either get the Monster 400x or buy the MS pack and buy better cables for it.  The jist of this thread compares these and many of the comparisions were done on CRT based sets.
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« Reply #61 on: April 08, 2004, 06:28:00 PM »
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« Reply #62 on: April 26, 2004, 10:49:00 AM »
My setup

Standard Xbox cable
Toshiba 51" 51H83 TV (brand new)

Don't want to spend alot,

Do I just buy the MS HDTV packs with 3rd party cables including ditial out to my reciever?
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« Reply #63 on: April 30, 2004, 03:00:00 PM »
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Is RGB Scart Exclusive to Europe? And how's the picture quality?
I have a old 40' TV and my stereo is hooked up to the Xbox (2x 60 wat, no Dolby suround/DTS support) should I buy this cable or go for a official cable? I don't have much money at the moment but I really need a other cable (the standard Xbox cable is almost ''dead'')

Thanks in advance

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« Reply #64 on: May 13, 2004, 11:14:00 AM »
Ibbanez: assuming that you have an RPT HDTV, try comparing the cables again AFTER you recalibrate the input using some kind of home theatre calibration disk such as Avia or DVE. It was AFTER CALIBRATION that I noticed the true "differences" in between the 2 packs...
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« Reply #65 on: May 14, 2004, 05:43:00 PM »
I'm using the MS HDTV Pack with very high quality cables that I custom make.  If anybody's interested in some of my cables please check out my Ebay store.   These cables are far superior and less expensive than many brand name cables.  

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« Reply #66 on: May 18, 2004, 11:42:00 PM »
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« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2004, 06:02:00 AM »
DVE is available on Ebay fairly cheaply.  Someone had them for $15 the other day.  If you have a high-end set it's worth the investment.  It handles your video as well as audio systems.

DVE and Avia are basic setup discs.  True ISF calibration is much more expensive 300-1K depending on what you have done.  Still, numerous people rave about the results even after they have used Avia/DVE and done some extensive service menu tweaks on their own.  You should visit www.avsforum.com and www.hometheaterspot.com forums and see what people are doing to tweak your brand of display.  Of course, DVE/Avia is the starting point for all this as well as basic convergence adjustment which should be handled in the user menu on your set.
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« Reply #68 on: May 25, 2004, 07:21:00 AM »
I am getting a Samsung 32" HDTV today and would like to know what to get.  I am leaning toward the Monster 400x from reading most of the posts in this thread.

What is the optical cable for?  Is that just a better alternative for video over the 400x or are they both needed?

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« Reply #69 on: May 25, 2004, 09:18:00 AM »
QUOTE (-FourDoor- @ May 25 2004, 11:39 AM)
one321 - The optical cable/connection is used for digital audio output to an audio reciever. digital audio = 5.1 surround sound.  biggrin.gif

Ah...I thought it was a fiber optic video cable.  Shows how much I know.  I guess my TV has the opical sound output too so I should have realized.  Oh well...thanks!
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« Reply #70 on: May 26, 2004, 05:50:00 PM »
QUOTE (Ibbanez @ May 26 2004, 12:48 AM)
It was a darkened room.  Maybe in a few weeks I'll go back and get them again and sit down for a long while and recalibrate with both cables again and well see, but for now I didnt see any difference.  But it may also be me as I am not prone to see some tiny subtle color differences and my wife does so it could be me.  If thats the case then these cables are fine for me smile.gif.

I wouldn't sweat it.  If the difference was a massive one, everyone would be seeing it.  The people that notice it (without placebo) have a few commonalities - large screens and very well setup displays.  If you've taken the time to really tinker with your set then you are something of a videophile and likely used to looking for minute differces with a descriminating eye.  This thread basically centered around trying to get the best connection without soldering in custom component outputs like Markav28 did in his recent post.  If you notice people either can't tell the difference or find the Monster better.  I don't think there's a single post with the Monster as worse.  To me that's enough evidence that chances are the Monster pack is going to be your best bet.  However, everyone's mileage varies and there are plenty of people not seeing any difference.

Regarding calibration, my set allows basic video settings for each input.  While many times I'll copy the settings from my DVD player I opted to calibrate the Xbox separately as it allows me to run it directly from the DVD.  I found some major differences in settings and Xbox does not output blacks below the DRE 7 level (DVE pluge pattern) so make sure you setup the Xbox by itself on an input.  The colors were also fairly different.
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« Reply #71 on: May 28, 2004, 09:53:00 AM »
Maybe I'm making an incorrect statement but isn't HDTV signal (video only) a digital signal. And if that's the case wouldn't it not matter what kind of cables you use as long as the digital 0 and 1's get transported correctly and in a timely fashion?

Is there an analog signal at all (for example the color timing)? If not I do not understand how one cable could be better then another.
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« Reply #72 on: May 29, 2004, 08:03:00 AM »
QUOTE (linearxtc @ May 28 2004, 10:53 AM)
Maybe I'm making an incorrect statement but isn't HDTV signal (video only) a digital signal. And if that's the case wouldn't it not matter what kind of cables you use as long as the digital 0 and 1's get transported correctly and in a timely fashion?


Incorrect... Component cables are still analog. DVI would be the digital nirvana for the xbox. Unfortunately DVI is not available on the XBOX
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« Reply #73 on: June 01, 2004, 05:40:00 AM »
QUOTE (-FourDoor- @ May 29 2004, 11:03 AM)

Incorrect... Component cables are still analog. DVI would be the digital nirvana for the xbox. Unfortunately DVI is not available on the XBOX

I am a pretty basic user.  Would I be able to tell the difference between DVI and component?

I know some HDTVs, even nice ones, only come with component inputs but wouldn't they want DVI inputs also...
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« Reply #74 on: June 05, 2004, 10:58:00 PM »
Ok, I havent read through this whole thing because I was too pissed to after reading the first page.  If you are going to spend $3,000-$12,000 for a television, and bitch about the cost of a F*&%iING wire, you should be shot!  I have a $8,000 Mitsubishi 2chip DMD DLP projector, and let me tell you....when you are running ANYTHING less than MONSTER CABLE on your XBOX, it looks like you are playing ATARI.  My viewing size is 102x72, and at that amount of picture you see the diffrence, even at 1080i.  I have spent $2,000 alone on audio cable going to a pair of Vanderstiens that cost more than most of your cars.  So trust me $70, for a pair of audio and video cables is nothing for the diffrence it makes.  Now for most of you that are running between 32 and 61 inches...I can't see why you would NOT choose to spent the extra money after making that kind of purchase?  You don't even deserve to own the telivision as far as I am concerned!!  Get the F*&@ING wire, shut your mouth, and play HALO.
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