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cyrusuncc

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« on: July 30, 2002, 09:59:00 AM »

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BenJeremy

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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2002, 12:48:00 PM »

QUOTE (cyrusuncc @ Jul 30 2002, 11:59 AM)
I read somewhere that M$ has the ability to flash upgrade the bios in the Xbox.  This means that the bios is/can be ready to flash using software alone.

Why is it then that we must solder jumpers together in order to "enable" writing to the BIOS?  Is this just a workaround because the BIOS flash is not 100% understood or what?

If those jumpers have to (in any situation) be soldered in order to flash the bios, then M$ could not flash it using a CD/DVD.

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                   Exactly. M$ cannot flash the BIOS in "wild" Xboxes. The flashability is undoubtably for production line activity.

If we are to believe the blurb from "Chris the M$ Customer Rep" regarding Xbox Live and modded Xboxes, it seems that anybody who leaves those jumpers soldered will be in for a surprise when they attempt to run Live.

Also in for a surprise are those who upgraded their hard drives.

Also in for a surprise are those with XBEs and non-M$ dashboards.

Everything the guy said makes perfect sense, so I have little reason to doubt the authenticity of what he says. Flashing the BIOS isn't really worth it, IMO, since the mod chip is a replacement anyway. Rig a switch on the mod and leave most of the unit stock - then just back up your EvoX dashboard setup and be prepared to reload it if M$ slips something by you.

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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2002, 01:18:00 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2002, 01:22:00 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2002, 01:40:00 PM »

No, M$ won;t fry your box at all.

They'll simply reset everything to "factory original" condition.

Reflash the BIOS to the latest Xbox "original" BIOS, and reset the partitions to the original 8GB standard.

M$ will say: "Who's got a case to complain?"

Undoing things that should not be doable on a legal Xbox falls under the realm of "repairs". Like it or not, M$ will most certainly take advantage of this.

* Big HD? M$ checks and sees what it considers the WRONG partition table for the authorized HD, so they "fix" the "invalid" table by replacing it with the "correct" one.

* Unsigned XBEs on your hard drive? Tsk Tsk... some developer must have screwed up. We'll fix that right up! Let's clean off those XBEs that are hogging space on the drive and creating potential security issues!

* What? That isn't the M$ Dashboard! Something must have corrupted it! Let's clean that up with a quick copy of the correct file!

* Wow, this Xbox can be flashed? Well, congradulations! Here's the latest BIOS upgrade....

* Wow. This sure is one screwed up machine! The BIOS checksum does NOT match the BIOS that has this version number! Let's report this one to Customer Service right away! Let's send the serial number ASAP, and copy another to the legal department, for no particular reason.

The only question mark might be the partition table, in that M$ might be unwilling to lose a customer's save game data.

Everything I listed above is not only doable, but probably well within the legal rights of M$. Bank on it
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2002, 08:34:00 AM »

within their legal rights?

shit, anyone EVER read a EULA (end user license agreement)?

Well, i haven't either, but i'm sure they will have something in there about xbox live "fixing" your xbox

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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2002, 11:06:00 AM »

QUOTE (jimh54 @ Jul 31 2002, 10:47 AM)
M$ CANNOT flash the bios unless the jumpers are in place on the motherboard. Electronically impossible. They can however, rewrite info to the HD as stated in a previous post.

                   Hence my comment: * Wow, this Xbox can be flashed? Well, congradulations! Here's the latest BIOS upgrade....

If somebody is foolish enough just to drop solder on the jumper points, instead of rigging a DPST switch to them to toggle the flashable state, they might find themselves with the sudden need to re-install that mod chip they removed a few months before.


I'm certainly not saying M$ WILL do this, only that they CAN, and were I in their position, I'd do the same things.... after clearing it with legal and customer relations. Those are the only two snags I see in this.

It could be that M$ doesn't feel it's worth the bother... after all, the mod chip business is flourishing right now. It really depends on how well Xbox software is selling, and given the lack of "Greatest Hits" discounted titles like the PS2 has, I am thinking software sales are pretty strong.

I'd love to see Xbox Halo for $19.95, like GT3 is for the Ps2, but until sales settle down, that isn't happening.

M$ might just be content to update the motherboard every 6 months to thwart modchippers for a time and leave it at that (but that might just be wishful thinking)

If they wanted to be REAL NASTY, all they need to do is trash the key in the serial EEPROM and permanently disable your Xbox, forcing you to return it to them for "repair" - even worse, they could pump a code into the Serial EEPROM that tells them you had a modchip in giving them ample evidence to charge you under the DMCA or sue you. Of course, that would be a horrible public relations fiasco....

Just trying to look at all the angles, people.
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WiKKiD

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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2002, 08:55:00 PM »

I would have to agree, I don't see them going for the hdd, or your bios... What I do see them doing is fighting mod's, just like sony they will try to fight the problem at the source.. if they disable the mods, they don't need to worry about your bios, or your hdd, cuz you're fucked...

But, as is everything in this thread... Purely speculation..
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2002, 09:02:00 PM »

Let's get this straight, and assume we all agree that ALL current modchips are illegal in every country ( that's a huge "IF", btw).  It is also ILLEGAL in almost every country to release a program that destroys someone else's data intentionally - period - we call those "viruses" here in the US.  Yadda, yadda, yadda, I know M$ has a right to "update" the xbox, in the US, but if they release an "update" that willy-nilly goes around deleting and corrupting files it's still a virus, and still illegal - for the moment  -in the US (The business interests in the US are trying to change that BTW). Sony does not have a right to delete the files on my "VAIO" pc just because they weren't there when they shipped it -   Just because the FAA has a "ripped" copy of "Windows" in an air-traffic controlling pc DOES NOT give M$ the right to crash a bunch of planes - two wrongs NEVER make a right...( Just watch Judge Judy if you don't believe me!)

IF M$ were to release such a program (virus), and at a later date, someone releases a LEGAL kernel for the box ( to run Linux, for example, while retaining the ability to play LEGAL games)  and the M$ virus destroys their data, M$ has committed a felony in the US.

Granted, You'ld look pretty stupid going before "Judge Judy" and whining that M$ destroyed al of your pirated games, but some guys, like Bunnie, for instance,( the guy who extracted the xbox bios image just a few days after it came out), would have a pretty strong case against M$ if they $crewed up the homebrew software/games/applications he legally created/obtained.  

Let's not forget  - it's a big deal to me that I cracked my xboxen wide open, but MOST people won't go to the trouble, or the expense to open up their boxes.   Fewer still will have the ability or endurance to:
a:) solder in a mod chip (even an Executer)
b:) flash a bios
c:) learn FTP/set up a network
d:) replace a hard disc ( a big one costs almost as much as the box!)
e:) learn to rip games
f:) Learn IRC/file trading

If you can't do ALL of the above, you're not in danger of costing M$ a pile of cash, and EVEN if you DO, how many games would you have BOUGHT anyway? ( if you didn't have a mod-chip) - mulitply x $5  (M$'s cut on new games) - is it a big pile of cash?  what, maybe $50?  Sure, a retail game might be $50, and you might have $2000 "worth" of games on your box's hard disc, but would you have spent $2000 on games if you didn't have a chip?

a retail copy of WIN 98 costs TEN TIMES as much money - the REAL $$$ is getting you to pay $9.95 a month for online gaming, plus $14.95 a month for x-box internet access (if you provide the account, btw), plus, say $7.95 a month to use your xbox  like a vcr, maybe $4.95 a month for "gaming tips and great saved games", blah, blah...

It may be an irritation to M$ that the box has been hacked, but it's not a major problem by any means - they geeks will play, but "Mom" and "Dad" aren't going to "mod" their kid's boxes, unless, maybe Dad is a geek, and while it is possible to buy your way into a modded box, you won't see them at Best Buy anytime soon...

No offense to the readers of this board, but if you're reading this, you're probably a geek - I know I am - If you think you're not a geek, I will give you a single-question self-test.

Do you have enough leftover parts in your home to build a pc? ( not necessarily a fast one, but a functioning PC)

Yes? (You are a geek)
NO? (I'm sorry for calling you a geek <grin>)

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2002, 10:20:00 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2002, 06:13:00 AM »

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