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burgan

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« Reply #285 on: February 11, 2005, 08:53:00 AM »

agree. it's just as likely that the mod chip is doing something else that noone has yet to realize that would cause ealrier than expected death to xboxes. noone has commented yet, but it seems that the power disspiated by the lframe is low; it if twas driving 65 ma at 3.3 volts i would be more worried that having it drive 65 ma at what appears to be much less than 1 volt.
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« Reply #286 on: February 11, 2005, 09:12:00 AM »

Question for the Guru's: Why couldn't you just put a physical switch in between the Xeceuter chip and the D0 point on the motherboard and have it closed on booting the chip and then open the switch once the chip has been booted? wouldn't this bring lframe back up to 3.3 volts?

after playing the game you could close the switch again and go back to the dashboard.

just my thinking; probably not worth much.

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« Reply #287 on: February 11, 2005, 09:19:00 AM »

hey burgan

i've tried that actually.

not only does the D0 need to be low to boot the chip

but it also needs to be low to boot a game as well

after a game is booted for example.. you might be able to bring D0 to 3.3V but i'm not sure

and i'm not sure about booting apps.. if the d0 is 3.3V

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burgan

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« Reply #288 on: February 11, 2005, 09:29:00 AM »

jroc,

thanks. that doesn't surprise me that D0 would nee dto be low when booting a game or even an app.

if you get a chance could you trying releasing it from ground during a game? and then telling us what happens? i am speaking of a X3 chip with 1959 or latest bios.

for me it wouldn't be bad to keep D0 at ground while i am jockeying around in my bios or even in some apps; the bulk of my time is in playing games.

i could envision putting a new wire in from the D0,LAN, and HDD wires and having the D0 line go to a switch. then redirct the wire backto the X3 chip. no soldering required and probably just a 50 cent switch from rat shack. no big deal in flipping a switch from time to time.

thanks,

Jeff
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« Reply #289 on: February 11, 2005, 10:27:00 AM »

This is labeled General Hardware/Technical Chat, isn't it?
I couldn't find any other thread that could help me


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zikronix

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« Reply #290 on: February 11, 2005, 12:33:00 PM »

your right that is the the name of the fourm
there is also this forum

http://forums.xbox-s...hp?showforum=22

Titled

*nix OS on Xbox
Anything about running a *nix-based OS on Xbox (mandrake , debian , gentoox , ...)

And this one

Xbox Homebrew Software
Discussions about xbox homebrew software that doesn't belong in any forum above.

This is HARDWARE TECHNICAL CHAT. You Question has nothing to do with that. And has ABSOLUTLY 1000% nothing to do with this thread.

Why would you post a question burried in a thread thats 30+ pages long that is unrealted to the problem your having not to mention in the incorrect forum. Doesnt sound like a logical way tp get a fucking answer does it....I didnt think so

READ THE RULES...POST IN THE CORRECT FORUM...OR YOU WILL BE BANNED....THIS IS JUST A WARNING.

Only Your 2nd post and both are in an incorrect forum in an unrealted thread. You talke the fat way to a quick death if you keep it up. And Im being NICE

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Chancer

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« Reply #291 on: February 11, 2005, 12:52:00 PM »

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READ THE RULES...POST IN THE CORRECT FORUM...OR YOU WILL BE BANNED....THIS IS JUST A WARNING.

Since when was it your job to threaten people with a ban. I suggest you also read the rules.
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hippo

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« Reply #292 on: March 03, 2005, 06:03:00 AM »

up to the top
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zikronix

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« Reply #293 on: March 03, 2005, 08:39:00 AM »

QUOTE(pb2themax @ Feb 28 2005, 07:43 PM)
I'm glad the X3 CE LPC board has a little window cut in it, right where you need to solder the resistor.  smile.gif
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zikronix

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« Reply #294 on: March 03, 2005, 07:33:00 PM »

QUOTE(mcpeepants @ Mar 3 2005, 05:28 PM)
The opening in the pcb board allows you to solder a resistor like in the diagram.  I just assumed the pcb covered the necessary vias from just looking at the diagram and remembering where the board was, but it doesn't.
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zikronix

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« Reply #295 on: March 04, 2005, 04:22:00 PM »

QUOTE(jonarvid @ Mar 4 2005, 03:41 PM)
That issue probably just needs some more testing before it can be released. They said they had just about fixed it two versions ago, but that it had interfered with some other issues. A little ironing out, and the D0/LFRAME fix will be released, I think.
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« Reply #296 on: March 05, 2005, 03:11:00 AM »

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yet they are working on doing what the pessimistic types want even if it most likely is not needed.

The findings here have nothing whatsoever to do with being pessimistic.
I just love the way you suck up to Team Xecuter though.
If its not needed then why would Team xecuter even acknowledge it let alone fix it.
Just to remind in case you have lost the point of the whole thread way back. This is an advisory fix based on current measurements its not some Doom and Gloom prophecy brought about by a pessimistic view to fitting modchip in the Xbox nor is it a debate or guessing game on whether Xecuter will fix it if they do they do just wait and see .
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« Reply #297 on: March 05, 2005, 07:38:00 PM »

grr.gif

Applied fix exactly as before, but upon testing after chip installation,  the machine proceeded to frag when the chip was disabled.  When the chip is active no problems, chip off - FRAG.  

First thought, was that the 680 ohm resistor was killing to much current and preventing the MS bios from loading.  To test this theory i removed the resistor and simply bridged the 2 points with some kynar wire to restore the circuit ( sans resistor ).  Unfortunately, the fragging persists.  I have tested the circiut with a multimeter and it closed, therefore the wire is indeed bridging the 2 points on the track that is cut.  I have gone over the MB with a fine tooth comb and can find absolutely no damage other than the cut track, which is a part of this fix.  And yes, I am absolutely certain I cut the correct track.

I am at a loss to explain this.  The machine behaves the way it should if that track is damaged ( fragging due to failure to load MS bios), despite the fact that it has been rebuilt.  If i had inadvertantly done any other damage to the MB, I question very much that its effect would be precisely that which results from cutting that specific circuit.

I am an experienced installer, and know how to treat an exposed MB.  There are no solder splashes, since the machine functions perfectly when the chip is active ( and there are no solder points anywhere near the bios chip)

The only plausible causes in my opinion are as follows.  The signal coming out of the rebuilt circuit is a bit noisy and disrupting the xbox's ability to load the MS bios ( I am leaning in this direction).  Or, some damage that cant be seen ( at least by my eyes ) occured to the area around the cut track, or on the opposite side of the MB from where the track was cut.  In my opinion I did not cut anywhere deep enough to damage the other side of the MB, but unfortunately that is something that can neither be proven or ruled out conclusively.

I tested the rebuilt circuit without the chip installed and still experienced fragging.  The bottom line is I now have a customer who will never be able to play online with his xbox, since it will never again function with the chip deactivated ( fortunately he has no plans to and was not concerned about the situation).

I, however, am very concerned.  I am perfectly willing to admit when I screw up.  I am also very good at dealing with anything I do screw up.  In my opinion I did everything properly.  In all my time installing this is the first problem caused by me I have not been able to repair.  The fact is I can't repair it if I don't know what the problem actually is.

As of now I am passing on doing this fix anymore.  At least until somebody can give me a plausible explanation for this behaviour.   It is very hard to avoid a problem again if you cannot pinpoint its cause.  And as of now there is still no real proof it is even necessary.

Any thoughts are appreciated.  Keep in mind I am not an electrical engineer, so keep any explanations as dummy-proof as possible ( and forgive me if my noisy signal theory is bollocks ).
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jonarvid

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« Reply #298 on: March 08, 2005, 04:53:00 AM »

I would have to say that this is a fix that may be as dangerous to do as to not, since we don't really have more than theory saying not doing it is bad. I'm quite sure there are more people with screwed up xboxes after attempting to do this fix than there are people with broken xboxes because of the "problem".

One question though, will the length of time using a modded 1.6 without this fix influence the lifetime of the xbox? Will someone who performs this fix a year after modding the xbox still have a chance of the xbox blowing up, or is the box safe once the extra mod is performed?
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jonarvid

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« Reply #299 on: March 08, 2005, 04:55:00 AM »

QUOTE(zikronix @ Mar 4 2005, 11:28 PM)
They also said that the would be making a rebuild board.
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