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catdog2

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« Reply #105 on: December 03, 2004, 01:07:00 AM »
QUOTE (XplicitContent @ Dec 3 2004, 05:21 AM)
Um...the diagram in the first post dont work, and I'd like to see it as I am going to do this mod when I do the 1.6 rebuild on my new Xbox. Thanx.

A mirror of the diagram is on Bulan's page
http://xbox.bula.nu/...install_1.6.asp

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yeah, what resistor should I be getting, it seems worth it to me to do it when i install my x3, but i just want to know which resistor one i should be buying, i'll pick it up on my way home at radio shack tomorrow if they have what i need
Just get a 680 Ohm resistor in the smallest size they have.
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Chancer

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« Reply #106 on: December 03, 2004, 06:48:00 AM »
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Where is the proof this does happen? Does it blow your XBox? has it happened to anyone?

Do you know anything at all about electronics???
Catdog2 measured the current flow with Lframe pulled to ground and discovered how high it was in comparison with the maximum rated value for the components involved. this will lead to an increase in heta in those parts and a shorter life span.
No one is making you do it, in fact in your case I suggest you leave the ones that you mod without the resistor in but don't come bleating in here if the box packs in.
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« Reply #107 on: December 03, 2004, 09:04:00 AM »
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Do you know anything at all about electronics???
Catdog2 measured the current flow with Lframe pulled to ground and discovered how high it was in comparison with the maximum rated value for the components involved. this will lead to an increase in heta in those parts and a shorter life span.
No one is making you do it, in fact in your case I suggest you leave the ones that you mod without the resistor in but don't come bleating in here if the box packs in.

lol do I know anything about electronics?

as an electrical engineer for over 20years I would say I do.  How about you?


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Chancer

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« Reply #108 on: December 03, 2004, 03:11:00 PM »
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as an electrical engineer for over 20years I would say I do. How about you?


Well as you ask I have a City & guilds 224, a HND in digital electronic techniques. I did a 5 year apprenticeship from the age of 16, numerous night school courses throught out my career. Now at 42 I own my own servicing business trading under the name of Avtec (Have done for the last 15 years) So I think having had 26 years of day in day out repairing every type of domestic electronic equipment made you could say I do know a little bit.
If you bothered to read the posts right from the start you will see how this theory came about. If you are an electrical engineer (specialising in what by the way? its a very broad description) you would not have had to question why drawing 3 or 4 times more current through something (like an LS7805V regulator) than its designed maximum rating would result in pre-mature failure. You don't have to wait for the problem to occur  to understand why its a distinct possibility.
Perhaps with your knowledge you would like to explain why this would not be worthwhile doing.
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« Reply #109 on: December 04, 2004, 12:23:00 AM »
Does the resistor still fit on if I have the LPC rebuild board installed already?
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« Reply #110 on: December 04, 2004, 02:24:00 AM »
QUOTE (Chancer @ Dec 4 2004, 12:14 AM)

Well as you ask I have a City & guilds 224, a HND in digital electronic techniques. I did a 5 year apprenticeship from the age of 16, numerous night school courses throught out my career. Now at 42 I own my own servicing business trading under the name of Avtec (Have done for the last 15 years) So I think having had 26 years of day in day out repairing every type of domestic electronic equipment made you could say I do know a little bit.
If you bothered to read the posts right from the start you will see how this theory came about. If you are an electrical engineer (specialising in what by the way? its a very broad description) you would not have had to question why drawing 3 or 4 times more current through something (like an LS7805V regulator) than its designed maximum rating would result in pre-mature failure. You don't have to wait for the problem to occur  to understand why its a distinct possibility.
Perhaps with your knowledge you would like to explain why this would not be worthwhile doing.

After graduating from Uni I went to work for a company who tested circuit boards.  This is during the design stage, well before the actual circuit found its way into its final home.  I signed many NDA's, throughout the 80's.  To cut the story short I have training and various qualifications in writing test code for Zehntel ATM's.  So I am a Test engineer  tongue.gif

I can see by reading my post again that it was not written as clear as I thought I had.  Let me explain;

If there is an issue that components can fail then no one should be installing these mod chips.  Cutting tracks could lead to more unforseen problems.  To successfully test a circuit takes weeks if not months.  I questioned if the person who discovered this had actually tested it to failure.  I did not see any test results only theory. Also a disclaimer would be nice too.  Who do the people come back to once this procedure fails.

I do not say its not worthwile to do, "better safe than sorry" I agree.  But with my testing hat on I prefer to have conclusive proof before I go about making any changes.

By the way there is another way to do this without cutting tracks, just take a leaf out of the PC modding scene wink.gif
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« Reply #111 on: December 04, 2004, 02:01:00 PM »
I wont cut the motherboard track....is there any other option instaling aladdin always on???
Thanks!
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« Reply #112 on: December 04, 2004, 02:11:00 PM »
does this affect the Apple-X VI Pro??

it looks identical to the DuoX but i'm not sure if it is??
thanks
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« Reply #113 on: December 05, 2004, 08:26:00 AM »
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The main difference between the X2.3 and the X3 pin header is that e now use the entire LPC bus. You should be aware that the LPC on the Xbox was DESIGNED to have a pin header installed. All Xbox Dev kits come with a pin header from factory - so its obvious this is the best install method, not only cleaner but more secure. You should note that pin 4 and pin 16 is removed as default. For the v1.6 install you must also remove Pin 6 with some long nose pliers (This is 5v on the LPC bus - on the v1.6 Xbox the LPC 5v is permanently on making it impossible to cleanly disable the mod) The pictures show very clearly how and where to connect this to the Xbox motherboard. The pin header is item 9 on the parts list.


im still a noob, but this is written in the instrucions for installing it... does this change anything concerning this topic?
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Chancer

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« Reply #114 on: December 05, 2004, 08:51:00 AM »
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does this change anything concerning this topic?

Not really, the possible problem is related to what is done with the LFrame signal . This is still not clarified on the X3 yet
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basso4735

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« Reply #115 on: December 06, 2004, 05:19:00 PM »
any more info? concerning the X3 and Smartxx v2?
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« Reply #116 on: December 06, 2004, 10:08:00 PM »
well team xecuter are saying they just ground it for a second because that's all the chip needs, i'm gonna go with them on this until it can be verified that this is infact false
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« Reply #117 on: December 07, 2004, 06:50:00 AM »
QUOTE (vinyl @ Dec 7 2004, 07:10 AM)
What happens if your xbox fries and your the one to prove it false?

He has goes out and buy a new 1.6 motherboard  ph34r.gif
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basso4735

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« Reply #118 on: December 07, 2004, 12:46:00 PM »
guess ill have to go with a Xenium ice  sad.gif   jester.gif
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yazoo32

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« Reply #119 on: December 08, 2004, 03:11:00 AM »
QUOTE (vinyl @ Dec 7 2004, 08:10 AM)
What happens if your xbox fries and your the one to prove it false?

its like being sheep,

you'd think the people who made and tested the modchip would know what they are talking about.,
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