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[Juganawt]

Optional HDD is the biggest problem for me.

I can understand the lack of DIVX on the machine - it'd be a PR nightmare and would effectively show Microsoft endorsing the pirated movie industry, and would be counter intuitive for their business partners / Xbox Video Marketplace etc.

I can even understand lack of internal HiDef solutions. It'd force the price up (which is killing Sony), and delay the machine at least 6 months..

.. but forcing developers to think of machines that do not have a hard drive causes multitudes of problems. Some games ignore it completely (Final Fantasy, Football Manager), and I see many more games in the future going the same route, especially if Microsoft dump the Core SKU.

All games would run smoother, be able to stream more, and generally give a more enjoyable experience if Microsoft commited to hard drives in all systems. Therefore, lack of integrated HDD in all SKUS was a HUGE mistake.

[Barnolde]

EASILY the tard pack. Why they would go backwards from a standard HDD is beyond me. Nothing is that stupid, except the RROD of course.

Launching in 2005 made it impossible to include a hi-def optical media.

I think by 2008, the tard pack will have gone the way of the dodo.

[Reaper527]

QUOTE(Juganawt @ Aug 10 2007, 07:16 PM)

Some games ignore it completely (Final Fantasy, Football Manager),

ironically Final Fantasy is the only game that actually requires the harddrive. i do agree though that the harddrive should be a standard component. due to the fact that developers can't rely on it being there, it is nothing more then a big memory card unlike how it was on the xbox1.

divx/xvid/ogm would have been nice (and who knows what will happen in the future as MS has proven they can give more codecs at their leisure through live updates), but the hdd is definitely what i consider their biggest mistake to be.

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I think by 2008, the tard pack will have gone the way of the dodo.

unfortunately, while i agree with that statement i think the damage is done and games will still be designed for the legacy users without harddrives

This post has been edited by Reaper527: Aug 14 2007, 04:37 PM

[M_A_C]

We need an "All of the above!" option.

[ISOmaniac29]

should have had a bubble for all of them :/ that is true (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

but the only other thing that bothers me besides the red ring

is probbly the fees for online play im sick of that

This post has been edited by ISOmaniac29: Aug 15 2007, 12:24 AM

[LeFugitive]

My vote  = The noise the Xbox 360's make is totallyunbelievable!

Even my Dual Quad Core based PC with 8Gb DDR2's is quieter and thats with pretty standard cooling!

I love having it and impressed that M$ have built a worthy product that was WORTH paying for!
The build quality on the exterior is pritty good, but not the same case on the internals, especially with the low quality cooling system they have chosen.

I think if I KNEW how noisey it really was, I may not have bothered.

I use mine mainly within a THX Ultra 2 home cinema and on a 3 meter wide projected Sim2 projector.
I've spent alot time and money in my system, only to be let down by the noise the Xbox 360 makes.

Thankfully, it works well wirelessly, so I'm managed to work around it a little, but it's NOT the answer to hide it somewhere beyond sight, as it makes it difficult with such KooL games like Ravin Rabbids (top game) as the camera won't work on pritty ANY extenstion I've tried!

I would say a close second is the media support!  Althought I'm loving the stacks of WMV HD's about, they stil glitch and also means alot converstion with software for other formats.

One thing I think is VERY sad which ALOT of people have ignored!  The Xbox 360 can NOT reproduce or pass-through HD audio signals!  Very sad and not in my good books for that!

If your not familiar, signals like Dolby HD or better DTS true will NOT play through the Xbox 360 as it should. M$ have chosen to downsample the audio, into Dobly Digital 5.1Ch and thats it!

Try running anything beyond that and it will just down sample it!  It's a huge shame and impressed with surround within games (Crackdown, Call of Duty etc) but for movies (mainly audio) it sucks!

OK... so it makes up for it visually (impressive HD visual) but whats the point of great image and poor sound!

I saw a few adverts plastered around (whilst on my travels around our little rock we call earth), stating the Xbox 360 is an all-in-one entertainment system.  True, but it's like those cheap nasty all-in-one DVD, VHS and TV's you get.  Does the job, but definetly not great or even near Pro Home Cinema!

I'd be happy to pay an extra £100 GBP for a total silent Xbox 360... but thats just me I guess?!

PS .  This is all based on the standard 20Gb Xbox 360 as I'm still wondering if the Elite is even worth the effort... very little difference I'm sure and why HDMi I have NO idea... VGA and DVi are SO much better!

[Software2]

I don't understand why the winning option is for a secondary feature. Are you telling me that 25% of people are more interested in watching movies on their 360 than they are playing games?

It seems to me that the largest issues would be those that impact your ability to play great games.
If you have problems that scratch your discs or otherwise render your system unplayable those would obviously be your top concerns. However, for the general public one single flaw impacts every single person: The lack of a mandatory hard drive.

[taka912]

Optional hard drive, no questions asked.  When you come out with a new console you're not supposed to downgrade the system.  If the XBOX had an HD why would you in your right mind make it optional.  Especially when you're adding downloadable demos, arcade games, and movies. No to mention the HD in the XBOX has 3 partions for games to use for cache, which considerable sped them up since they didn't have to depend on the DVD drive's speed for everything.

[Peter2028]

Overpriced Accessoires, The shitty D-pad, Making the HDD optional (Core system), all problems/mistakes IMO

[latino4l]

QUOTE(etb @ Aug 2 2007, 12:18 PM)

no it's not.
i've played gh2 for 3 days on a 2 week old console.
the console wasnt moved or anything and stood vertical on a cooling device witch also enshures it's stability.
on the third day the 360 won't read the disc (the disc wasn't moved out of the box an was new).
the disc was f***** up with circular scratches.
so don't belive anything that's "prooven" anyone paid by m$ ....

well if you were to even read the manual it says to not leave the games inside the console when you're turning it off so your gh2 is gone because of your stupid mistake and because your're too lazy to take out the disc when you're done playing

[iLLNESS]

def media support

i only use my 360 for gaming because of it. it has no fucking support for anything i wanna use. its an iphone basically. it does nice things, but it doesnt do what i want it to

i wanna be able to stream videos off my pc without media center. i wanna play divx/xvid
i wanna be able to use it like xbmc essentially.  i wanna put dvds on my pc and watch them over the network so i dont rape my dvdrom. is it really all that hard to ask for a good media player? i mean m$ is trying to sell this thing as an all in one accept for the inet. this is the only reason i still have my xbox sitting in my room turned on 24/7

[sjc200]

Dumb question, I apologise.  Ive looked all over and cant find it though.

What is RRod?  

[Yamthief]

QUOTE(sjc200 @ Aug 23 2007, 10:40 PM)

Dumb question, I apologise.  Ive looked all over and cant find it though.

What is RRod?  

Red Ring of Death. 3 red lights caused by absolutely terrible console design.

[Yamthief]

Where's the option for "All of the above"?

basically Microsoft could have had a console that could blow everything else clean out of the water but they fucked up big time.

the millions of XBMC owners all over the world show just how popular the idea of playing back whatever media type you want on your xbox is.

no hddvd on a supposed hi def console is just crazy. how much extra would i have cost them? this means the "next gen" console is left with the last gen's pitiful 9GB to put games on.

overpriced accessories - MS have always been shit at setting costs for everything. i got a 300GB sata2 hdd for only £25 a few months back. £70 for a 20gb is just ridiculous.

the fact theres no web browser just makes it less of a complete home media device.

the quality of the D-Pad and the headset just match the consoles terrible design and lack of cooling ability.

the lack of a hdd is just gay. the memory cards cant even hold the smallest video download so whats the point?

the noise produced isn't such a problem, if it was a little noisier and less intensely hot that might have actually been a bonus.

The drives scratching discs should have been sorted by Samsung immediately and M$ shouldn't have denied it happened for so long considering the evidence was all over the world.

Gold membership is insanely pricey considering multiplayer games on the PC are free to play online. I would have thought that people buying the games at the prices they are at would have funded the servers.

*huff* right.. rant over.

What i will say is even after all that stuff is wrong with the 360, it still kicks the shit out of the PS3, and Nintendo Wii is only fun for about 3  or 4 weeks before the novelty wears off.

[Legendary Badass]

I voted noise, allow me to explain. No matter what, as long as it is on you have this noise to deal with. It doesn't matter is 1/3 the time you want to play Divx, if 100% of the time you have to hear a jet taking off. But it was a tough call, HD drive would have been nice, better D-pad, etc.