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[coconutlover]

QUOTE(rosincore @ Oct 10 2006, 02:30 AM)

What about the people who don't play games, but mod consoles as a hobby?  Somebody who loves to add a feature to an Xbox 360?  I just love modding video game consoles, it doesn't matter what it is.  Even if I don't use it, I'll do it just for the sake of doing it.  I want homebrew really bad but this is the closest thing to a "hack" for the 360 so I did it.  With that said, I haven't played my Xbox 360 in over a month.  So, some people just love messing with stuff, learning new tricks, want to be on the cutting edge of the scene, up to date with everything.  So yeah, I did the firmware hack, it works beautifully, and I don't even use it.  So is anybody losing money on me doing the firmware hack but not using it?  Nope.  Can't wait until there is homebrew.

[coconutlover]

QUOTE(rosincore @ Oct 10 2006, 02:30 AM)

What about the people who don't play games, but mod consoles as a hobby?  Somebody who loves to add a feature to an Xbox 360?  I just love modding video game consoles, it doesn't matter what it is.  Even if I don't use it, I'll do it just for the sake of doing it.  I want homebrew really bad but this is the closest thing to a "hack" for the 360 so I did it.  With that said, I haven't played my Xbox 360 in over a month.  So, some people just love messing with stuff, learning new tricks, want to be on the cutting edge of the scene, up to date with everything.  So yeah, I did the firmware hack, it works beautifully, and I don't even use it.  So is anybody losing money on me doing the firmware hack but not using it?  Nope.  Can't wait until there is homebrew.

I agree with you man. I just love to sit down in front of my PC and learn how to do this modding thing 1st it was xbox  than my Game cube next My Ps2 and finally my PSP and eventually I will mod My 360. I do it to keep myself out of trouble. Believe me… I can get in a lot of trouble. Moding is like a therapy for me Not to Back up games. Since it takes along time to learn how to do this stuff I don’t get  bored Plus I like to solder stuff My toughest soldering job was my Ps2 it took me 8 hours to do it . I’m looking forward water to put a water cool system in my xbox 360 that’s modding. What I like the most is the fact that you are not sure weather or not  you are going to be successful doing it specially when you’ve never seen it done  in front of you before , you have to rely on other people with similar prob on the forum.  The only Question you ask yourself is will I brick a 400 toy?  Hell yeah I Will.    I also like the fact I got mine 360 now because the next generation will be harder to hack. And you bet your ass I will get a PS3 as well and mod it.

[MaxP]

i did this hack on my 360...

however i didnt do it so i could download hookey games off the interweb..Oh no matey.
dont even be suggesting i would be downloading illegal content of the interweb you fools.

i did it becasue it was fun...well sort of fun..well actualy it wasnt any fun at all it was a right ballache.
ok so i did it so i could learn..yes thats it to learn..what it taught me was that erm..well i mean it taught me to er...ok so i didnt learn anything.
i did it to prove to myself that i could..so i proved to myself that i could backup/patch/restore firmware to a device...cool..but hold up im sure ive done that befor..yes i have..so ive proved nothing to no one.
ok so i did it to enhance my 360..yes thats it enchance the 360 so now it does load of stuffs it didnt do befor like..erm..like for instance...ermmmm ok it dosnt do anything it wouldnt do befor.
i know i did it casue it makes my 360 look bitching cool...yeah cool as...whats that ? it still looks like a regular 360 !!! well yes i suppose it does if you put it that way...

i know i know...i did it so that i could protect my investment in my games..thats it...thats why ive done it.
what do you mean "why not just take care of the originals" you fool......i cant beleave you would make such a rtard comment..take care of expensive items so they dont get borked...LOL what a joke.
well yes i suppose it would make common sence to put the games back in their cases so they dont get mullard, yes i suppose it isnt that difficult to put em back once ive finsihed with em instead of leaving em on the floor covered in fag ash and spilt coke. but its really my last line of defence as to why ive hacked my 360 and ripped a load of games and still stand on my soap box caliming im totaly legit....
what was that ? my excuse is a load of old bollox you say ! i cannot rip a load of games under the pretext i cant be bothered to look after what i allready have!!!

yeah but....but...becasue you see its like this...what i mean is that...becasue....let me explain...

Ok Ok you bloody win i give up.....
i did it so that i could take advantage of the one single benifit it gives me over a stock 360.
now weres that link to newzbins..

Happy now !!!!!!

[ProChief CXVII]

they didnt have the right answer for me....mine would of been "No, i dont know how yet"

[ch1c0]

QUOTE(epsilon72 @ Oct 8 2006, 08:47 PM)

Ditto.  Xbox 360 is kinda boring without LIVE, but those games sure are expensive too...

i plan just to buy and then sell ..so maybe cost of ownership will be $15-$20 max... of course u always have a few u don't wanna sell...

for me... i'd rather not lose XBL so i won't be modding mine.

[d-range]

I modded it for fun, and to sample games I'm interested in. Call me a pirate if you wish, but I see it differently. It happened a few times too many that I bought a game that got great reviews, much hype etc. etc. and it finally turned out to be a crap game I didn't play for more than an hour or 3... That's not worth € 60. If I genuinly think a game is worth the money, I'll buy it... Most of the games I bought are PC games BTW, as I like strategic/constructive games more than just action titles.

As for XBL: my 360 is disconnected from the network, I don't really care much about online play. When that killer game is here that really takes advantage of online play (as opposed to just shooting each other, which I don't really enjoy, or MMORPG's), I will probably reflash my drive, except when there is hard evidence MS really cannot detect  the modified fw.

[GeToChKn]

QUOTE(Ozy @ Oct 9 2006, 06:37 PM)

Because backing up DVDs and CDs can be done without hacking anything. To back up a game for the xbox 360 you have to go to a lot of trouble and for what? Making sure your games don't get sractched? What I'm saying is the games are abundant and are plentiful in supply where as some DVDs of Cds could be hard to come by.

Why would you need to back up the x360 games. Sure some may need to but most people who voted in this pole don't own the games.

As for backing up on a HD, I can respect that. It certainly improved some games e.g kotor, halo and gta with faster loading times.

Backing up DVD's and some CD's does require hacking in the sense.  It involves circumventing copy protection schemes, which is now illegial in a lot of countries.  Why do think they have banned most DVD copying software and sued the companies that made them.  So by backing up your DVD's, you're breaking the illegial and that makes you just as bad as 'pirate scum.'  

As for everyone else who says 'backups are for pirates only, i want my homebrew like on the xbox.'  Why do think you can't download any homebrew xbox software off this site.  Why do you have go through the xbins thing?  Because that software is illegial because it's made with the illegial dev kit software.  Everyone wants homebrew like emulators and XBMC.  Emulators are only used for playing ROM that you have the original game for.  Of course every single person on here who run's an emulator has ALL the games they play on it still, right?  Or does everyone only play public domain games.  Ya right.  And of course, XBMC, made with the illegial dev kit again, probably uses some unlicensed codecs and stuff, thats all the watch all your own ripped music and movies right.  No one downloads a movie or tv show or song off the net to play with XBMC do they.  That's why everyone wants a media center that will play 100 different formats right.  To play our own encoded media that was made legally from our backups.  I know when I rip my movies and music, I always rip them to quicktime, real media, 4 different versions of divx, xvid, mpeg1, mpeg2, mp3, ogg, and all other formats just for the fun of it, right.    If you really want to stream YOUR music and YOUR movies that you own, then do it the right way, but media center, rip all your dvds to mpeg2 or wmv, and all your music to wma or mp3 and you'll be all set and won't need homebrew at all.

[hDy]

Having homebrew will most likely mean no XBL.. I personally think that homebrew on the Original XBOX is all you need.. what homebrew can the 360 offer that isn't already avaliable on the original xbox? Sure, it could probably render some emulators better, what I find to be rather funny is that most compiled applications on the xbox are illegal since they use a pirated compiling engine from M$, yet these same people that want Homebrew on the 360 are against backing up your own games? How is emulating a ROM of a Nes, SNES, or N64 game any diffrent than running a backup of a 360 game?

[xokia]

Who is anyone on here to decide when and when its not ok to back a game up.

It's ok to back a DVD up (which you have to remove the macrovision copy protection to do) but not a game oh please.

If M$ or anyone else was willing to replace damaged discs for the price of postage I would say there is no nead for backups. Until then there will always be a need to back up something you own to protect your investment.

Just like everything in life there is no perfect system and there will always be someone that bends or breaks the rules. Looking for ways to make a perfect system is destined to fail and a waste of time.

[BennyBou]

I'm waiting for my 1 year warranty to expire (january 22) then at this point the firmware mod will have matured for my Hitachi drive. Also I'm waiting for a response from Microsoft to see if they will block it.

[Fistcat]

I bought a 360 premium pack, extra controller, vga cable, 12 months XBL subscription with a headset and 3 games then talked 3 of my friends into buying the same instead of waiting for PS3. I own 4 copies of win98, 6 of NT, 1 of 2000 pro and a few XP homes and pros. I also have bought M$ textbooks for my MCSE years ago. I am using one of many M$ keyboards and mice i have and i own a few M$ pc games. I feel satisfied that M$ have made a fortune from me over the years and now i am going 2 PIRATE every game on 360 i can get my hands on and wont even feel a bit guilty, i am actualy enjoying it! So 2 all you good doers out there that frown upon this STIFF SHIT coz this is the way the console industry/scene works, always has been, and will do so for a long time! So all you people out there just get a pen and paper and work out just how much you have spent on M$ products in ur lifetime, you will forget half the shit and the amount will still suprise you. Is it wrong 2 take a picture of your favourite painting, perhaps a pecaso at the museum then print it when u get home and hang it on the wall? PIRACY is a problem for some companies but piracy also makes PROFIT. The same industry that condones it also profits and promotes it, must i go on?

[d-range]

@Fistcat:
You're forgetting 1 small detail: by pirating 360 games, you're not only ripping off M$ but also (even more so) the game studio's that made the game. How many $$$ did they get from you over your lifetime?

Anyway, I feel there is at least *some* hypocrisy here when it comes down to the 'piracy' discussions. I'm totally with GeToChKn's post below. I don't feel ashamed that at the moment I have *only* downloaded/burned 360 games. Also I don't feel guilty I have an Xbox 1 that I chipped, put a 200GB HD in, put 25 games on it (of which I legally own only 3), installed XBMC on it, some movies, GentooX, etc. I don't consider myself a hardcore gamer, I don't play more then 3 hours a week or something like that. Also, I tend to like constructive/strategic PC games (of which I own about 10) more than typical console games. By I do like to mess around with consoles. I would care more about homebrew/the possibility to develop for the 360 myself, than about copied games (though I'm afraid it won't happen). Still I have quite a collection of 'pirated' games. Why? Just because I can, and just to try out stuff.

None of these games I would have bought if there was no way to download/copy them. I wouldn't even have had an Xbox 1 or a 360 if it wasn't possible to play downloaded games and install Linux/homebrew on it. I owned an NGC a few years ago, with 15 games (that's 800 euro's) I bought legally, but I only finished ONE of them (Zelda TWW). Not because I didn't like the games, but because they just weren't "good enough" to justify not spending my time on something else. I don't think paying $60 for a few hours of fun is reasonable. That's why I download stuff, try it out, and if I really feel a developer deserves my money, I'll get the game and pay for it. Same goes for movies: I download movies every now and then if I'm bored, but if there's this really good movie out that I really want to see, I go see it in a cinema. If I want to have a long friday night drinking some beers with friends and watch B-movies: I go to the video rental and rent some dvd's. But not always. For music all is different: I'm so disgusted with the music industry practices, the price point of music and the restrictions you have nowadays, that I refuse to give a single cent of my money to RIAA etc. out of principle. I download all my music from AllOfMp3.

So, if this all of this means I'm a pirate: fine by me. I'd call myself an 'opportunistic' pirate. I do care about product quality and service, and if some company offers exactly that for a reasonable price, it gets my money, without exception. I actually feel good about paying for quality and effort. If I think some company does not deserve the money they ask for a product or service, or when I'm not sure about it, I first try it out. If it turns out well enough I *might* pay for it, but most of the times (with games at least) it turns out the other way....

And to get back to the homebrew crowd that despises playing backup: that's indeed a bit hypocritical. Using an XDK to create a media player with unlicensed codecs is also 'pirating' by your definition, because your taking away market share from other companies (like MS itself), for their media center implementation that only contains properly licensed codecs. I for one do not care about it, I might even have had the XDK on my PC myself for a while to hack around XBMC and do some demo effects (hypothetically ofcourse). But don't accuse the game backup crowd of piracy, because using homebrew on XBOX 1/or possibly 360 later (though I doubt it will ever really happen, except for XNA) is also illegal. Using the XDK is obviously illegal, and hacking an xbox to run OSS software is also illegal under the DMCA...

[smartygre1]

I also got mine at launch and got the extended warranty, so I don't want to mod mine, yet.

As far as pirating games goes, I do have young kids and would love to have back-ups, because they tend to make coasters out of any of my media disks (and I have tried hiding them, but they are clever little monkeys), but I won't mod my 360 for that reason alone.

If the manufacturer's would offer a warranty, say one year on the disk, and give full replacements on those disks.  I think that that would stop people like me from making back-ups.  At $60 a pop, it is a disgrace that they offer no warranties at all.  If I sent them back a coaster, they could likely resurface that disk for resale, so as not to have a complete loss on it.

But when the larger HDD mod comes, I'm modding the 360 immediately, I am down to about 5gb left on the HDD, and really don't want to link it to my computer for file transfer.  Hell, if M$ sold a larger HDD, I would buy that immediately as well.

[dinzy]

QUOTE(smartygre1 @ Oct 12 2006, 02:27 PM)

If the manufacturer's would offer a warranty, say one year on the disk, and give full replacements on those disks.  I think that that would stop people like me from making back-ups.  At $60 a pop, it is a disgrace that they offer no warranties at all.  If I sent them back a coaster, they could likely resurface that disk for resale, so as not to have a complete loss on it.

The disks cost pennies to make so resurfacing them would be pointless.  Publishers should allow you to send them a scratched/broken disk in exchange for a new one for a small S&H fee.  Why they don't do this is beyond me.  Who would really go out and rebuy a game if they scratched it?  At the very least they would look fo a used copy on ebay or something.

[GeToChKn]

or something like nintendo does with the gamecube http://www.nintendo....discreplace.jsp