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[The Zep Man]

I don't even own an Xbox 360, because homebrew is not yet possible. At the time it is possible to run homebrew code, games will be (hopefully) be a bit less expensive. Who knows, maybe the 360 itself will be cheaper. Until that time, I stick with my original Xbox, which I use mostly (~80%) for XBMC.

By the way, I always backup my (purchased!) games and most of the time play with the backup, which is almost always on the HDD so loading times are dramatically shorter.

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I personally call all DVD firmware mods "kiddie mods", simply because that's what they are. Start hacking the Xbox 360 itself. Show me some true mods.

[ssj3goku]

i like being able to backup my originals. with 3 boys and 3 xbox360 my nice 60.00 games are ruined in no time if left in the wrong hands to long i dont want to keep buying copies of the same game and with the fw option it makes it possible.

[Biohazard420]

QUOTE(MaxP @ Oct 11 2006, 03:38 AM)

i did this hack on my 360...

however i didnt do it so i could download hookey games off the interweb..Oh no matey.
dont even be suggesting i would be downloading illegal content of the interweb you fools.

i did it becasue it was fun...well sort of fun..well actualy it wasnt any fun at all it was a right ballache.
ok so i did it so i could learn..yes thats it to learn..what it taught me was that erm..well i mean it taught me to er...ok so i didnt learn anything.
i did it to prove to myself that i could..so i proved to myself that i could backup/patch/restore firmware to a device...cool..but hold up im sure ive done that befor..yes i have..so ive proved nothing to no one.
ok so i did it to enhance my 360..yes thats it enchance the 360 so now it does load of stuffs it didnt do befor like..erm..like for instance...ermmmm ok it dosnt do anything it wouldnt do befor.
i know i did it casue it makes my 360 look bitching cool...yeah cool as...whats that ? it still looks like a regular 360 !!! well yes i suppose it does if you put it that way...

i know i know...i did it so that i could protect my investment in my games..thats it...thats why ive done it.
what do you mean "why not just take care of the originals" you fool......i cant beleave you would make such a rtard comment..take care of expensive items so they dont get borked...LOL what a joke.
well yes i suppose it would make common sence to put the games back in their cases so they dont get mullard, yes i suppose it isnt that difficult to put em back once ive finsihed with em instead of leaving em on the floor covered in fag ash and spilt coke. but its really my last line of defence as to why ive hacked my 360 and ripped a load of games and still stand on my soap box caliming im totaly legit....
what was that ? my excuse is a load of old bollox you say ! i cannot rip a load of games under the pretext i cant be bothered to look after what i allready have!!!

yeah but....but...becasue you see its like this...what i mean is that...becasue....let me explain...

Ok Ok you bloody win i give up.....
i did it so that i could take advantage of the one single benifit it gives me over a stock 360.
now weres that link to newzbins..

Happy now !!!!!!

LMFAO

[pcrat]

All that crap to do the firmware, then undo it, and some 2 wire trick all that blah blah too much of a hassle, i will just wait untill something a bit more quicker and easier comes out. Besides My money tree died last week.  

[Makeshift420]

QUOTE(Mana @ Oct 22 2006, 04:09 AM)

heh this thread is funny, people openly admitting to pirating yayayaya! ...

i know a friend, lets called him bob yea who bought an xbox premium and vga cable and the cost came to around £300...

now this bob guy is well off and has money to get the games.  bob is a nice guy, doesnt kill rape or fool around with sheep/goats.

bob however does have xs to some sites/scene.  anyway bob sees games being released on the internet 1-2weeks before they are out in the store.  bob then sees people playing these games early cos of their gamertag.  bob also downloads games.  bob is happy playing games early and for free.

bob wonders why people say "o u are hurting the game studios, and hurting sales?"  bob has never seen a game cancelled because of piracy.  hell piracy has been around since computers started says bob.  that never stopped advancement in the computer and games industry.  bob always knows that there are people who dont have access to pirate or they have a different moral point of view, hence good old bob says the games industry will never die.  hell bob sees gears of war is gonna be great and doubts the game development or gfx or game content has been affected by recent piracy!!!

bob views downloading games/movies/mp3s for free as not hurting anyone.  its not like he is stealing a physical object, its just bytes on his pc harddrive!!!

i like bob

Lol, if they would lower the prices on games then Bob wouldn't have to pirate anything right..bob?

Nah but seriously, i don't like pirating games, my bro in law does it for the original xbox. It's ok when it's games that are mediocre but when he confesses his love for a game and doesn't bother to buy it to give $ to the people who made it is when it starts to get a bit morally wrong.

[Mana]

QUOTE(Makeshift420 @ Oct 22 2006, 05:48 AM)

Lol, if they would lower the prices on games then Bob wouldn't have to pirate anything right..bob?

Nah but seriously, i don't like pirating games, my bro in law does it for the original xbox. It's ok when it's games that are mediocre but when he confesses his love for a game and doesn't bother to buy it to give $ to the people who made it is when it starts to get a bit morally wrong.

plenty of things that are morally wrong, like going 10 miles per hour over the speed limit, or littering...

bob says to me that even if the prices were low, downloading games still wins because they are available on the internet sometimes a week before they retail!  bob says that downloading a game doesnt bother him morally as its just a game and its not in the same league as say beating someone up or stealing a tv out of a house by breaking and entering.  sure its wrong but in the grand scheme of things and its all relative he says

[Ozy]

QUOTE(falconsfan @ Oct 22 2006, 11:24 AM)

MAN!!! There sure are alot of hypocrites on this forum, you know who you are, get off your high horses and shut the hell up, especially you Ozy, give me a break... do you want to ask the music companies and or the movie studios if THEY think you coping music or movies is wrong? and don't give me that crap about being rare, this is 2006,  95% of ANY music or movie is readily available. I just love how there is a simple poll  taken yet people feel the need to share there opinions of the morality of backing up a game. You all are self righteous hypocrites.... Nuff Said! A ancient proverb says "Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones" something to think about I'd say! It doesn't matter if its Music, Movies, or Games it ALL is illegal and no ONE person has the right to say what is morally right or not, if you have even ONE cd (or song for that matter) or movie or game(disc or rom) that you haven't purchased or own the original of, it is stealing PERIOD! Even you OZY!  You people make me sick!  

You may be able to get ahold of any disc you want in the US but somethings in the UK are a little hard to come by. Also I'm pretty sure it is legal to backup CDs in the UK now. I own (the licence to) all the music I have backed up as well as the two DVDs that I have backed up so far.
Back up of games, sure not too much of a probelm if the game is rare or you have little children etc. But when the games are readily available to buy again and you can look after discs I don't see much point, but again, if you have bought the disc and is it just a 'back-up' you want, even though it is illigal I don't see a problem, but it is illigal.

The only reason back-ups are illigal is because they can be used for piracy. What is to say someone can buy a disc, copy it, then send it back? There is no way of stopping it. If there was a legal way of backing up discs people who need back-ups would use it.

What I don't agree with is people who don't buy the games and just pirate. People say games are too expensive and that compinies have too much money so they will just download it, like they have a choice!

There is no choice! The only choice you have is whether to buy the game or not buy it and don't have it at all. It is the law of the land and if you break it you deserve to be punished.

QUOTE(Mana @ Oct 22 2006, 11:38 AM)

bob says to me that even if the prices were low, downloading games still wins because they are available on the internet sometimes a week before they retail!  bob says that downloading a game doesnt bother him morally as its just a game and its not in the same league as say beating someone up or stealing a tv out of a house by breaking and entering.  sure its wrong but in the grand scheme of things and its all relative he says

True, but bob has paid for some of his games unlike other people on this forum who think it's right to steal. If people, or even kids, are stealing games now and think it is right to steal virtual property, what next? Will they steal money, but no, it's only virtual money and the bank is insured so they won't loose out.
These are the people who will not pay for anything, not be honest or do a full days work. Where as they steal the game and marvel at their elite skills as scum, people like me and everyone else has to work for money to pay for the games that are at a high price because other people pirate them.

We have to pay for their and our own copy of the game because they won't pay for it.

[billy_dimashq]

QUOTE(lowendfrequency @ Oct 9 2006, 03:37 PM)

As someone who hopes to one day make a living in the video game or other media based market, I despise the hacked firmware.   Backups?  Quit fooling yourselves.   It's pirating... nothing less than stealing.  I'm all for homebrew like XBMC and alternate OS's, but until then my box will remain unmodded.

yeah but homebrew such as XBMC is made using the xbox sdk and that is in itself illegal, just like copying games. and if you consider how much the sdk must cost, i'd say it's like the difference between someone copying, say, rockstar table tennis and someone copying adobe preimere, etc.

i'm along the same lines as you, namely only interested in homebrew on the 360 (xbmc is the reason my xbox is still here), and haven't bothered with the mod as
a) i hardly play games anymore
i see hardly anything on the 360 that i'd want to mod it for (not slating the 360 lineup, just that most games nowadays just aren't my kinda thing)
c) i work for a game retail company and one of the staff perks is the ability to buy a game/console/whatever for 2 weeks and refund the entire amount no-questions-asked, so i have no need for burnt stuff.

that's not to say i don't have any burnt stuff, because i do, and i'm not going to pretend they're backups or anything (and i'm not pointing fingers at the few people on here and other forums that actually DO burn backups of their legally-owned games), but i just ask people when was the last time they recorded a television program onto VHS?

[falconsfan]

QUOTE(Ozy @ Oct 22 2006, 10:51 AM)

You may be able to get ahold of any disc you want in the US but somethings in the UK are a little hard to come by. Also I'm pretty sure it is legal to backup CDs in the UK now. I own (the licence to) all the music I have backed up as well as the two DVDs that I have backed up so far.
Back up of games, sure not too much of a probelm if the game is rare or you have little children etc. But when the games are readily available to buy again and you can look after discs I don't see much point, but again, if you have bought the disc and is it just a 'back-up' you want, even though it is illigal I don't see a problem, but it is illigal.

The only reason back-ups are illigal is because they can be used for piracy. What is to say someone can buy a disc, copy it, then send it back? There is no way of stopping it. If there was a legal way of backing up discs people who need back-ups would use it.

What I don't agree with is people who don't buy the games and just pirate. People say games are too expensive and that compinies have too much money so they will just download it, like they have a choice!

There is no choice! The only choice you have is whether to buy the game or not buy it and don't have it at all. It is the law of the land and if you break it you deserve to be punished.
True, but bob has paid for some of his games unlike other people on this forum who think it's right to steal. If people, or even kids, are stealing games now and think it is right to steal virtual property, what next? Will they steal money, but no, it's only virtual money and the bank is insured so they won't loose out.
These are the people who will not pay for anything, not be honest or do a full days work. Where as they steal the game and marvel at their elite skills as scum, people like me and everyone else has to work for money to pay for the games that are at a high price because other people pirate them.

We have to pay for their and our own copy of the game because they won't pay for it.

My point is simply, nobody has the right to say what is right and what is wrong, we all know the laws and the consequences of our actions. Just leave it be... it doesn't do any good to post I don't know how many post you wrote on this thread (I lost count) trying to be the internet gaming police and being judgmental of those who do something that is illegal, its there choice. I'm not condoning anything, I'm just saying like I did before there is a fine line to the piracy issue with cd's and movies, but the LAW still states and maybe your missing the fine print, but usually says "Duplication in part or in whole is strictly prohibited." so if you even have one song or movie copy made at all, really your no different then people who pirate games, the law is the law one is no worse then the other in the court.

[Ch1zZuH]

For this poll there should have been an answer like; "No I have not modded my console, but I may, I just havn't gotten around to it." or "No, but I think it would be really cool"...

My only point is the answers seem too rigid. It's either YES or No (because of some technical restriction)... how about those of us who would LIKE to, but just havn't...

I suppose a poll can't inclue 100% of every possible answer.

Myself; I did not answer the poll. I would like to mod my console because I am a modding hobbyist / enthusiast, however, I have not decided the rout I would like to take, or decided on which way is most efficient / doesn't ruin my console.

Also, pirateing is bad, mmkay.

[Ozy]

QUOTE(falconsfan @ Oct 22 2006, 07:51 PM)

My point is simply, nobody has the right to say what is right and what is wrong, we all know the laws and the consequences of our actions. Just leave it be... it doesn't do any good to post I don't know how many post you wrote on this thread (I lost count) trying to be the internet gaming police and being judgmental of those who do something that is illegal, its there choice. I'm not condoning anything, I'm just saying like I did before there is a fine line to the piracy issue with cd's and movies, but the LAW still states and maybe your missing the fine print, but usually says "Duplication in part or in whole is strictly prohibited." so if you even have one song or movie copy made at all, really your no different then people who pirate games, the law is the law one is no worse then the other in the court.

Wow, I guess M$ and apple promote piracy then. Because I rip my CDs to media player and itunes for my ipod, that is copied music, is it not?

I know DVDs are illegal to copy but I'm pretty sure it is alright to copy CDs in the UK if you own the original disc. I think they change the law a few months ago.

[ZPaul2Fresh8]

QUOTE(10001110101 @ Oct 9 2006, 12:02 AM)

im not gonna install till i get another 360, im too scared that mine is gonna overheat and break.(i can mod n e thing, with chips n e ways)and the occasional case mods)
textbox1.text="u should add an option for people, who are too scared to do it, cuz it might break"
**Admit it, your impressed by my visual studio computer programming!"**

msgbox(Note, "Yes. It is cool, wouldn't you agree?", vbResult=YesNo)

It's been a while since I touched VB, you just persuaded me to fire up Visual Studio :-D

On the topic, 99% of hacked firmware users use it to pirate games. That is such a terrible thing, people work hard to make you these great games to play.

Homebrew is what the community should be focused on.

[jabroniekilla]

the firmware flash is available for anyone who can put in the time to learn about it and successfully do it.  I don't think it is relevent weather the person uses it for backing up games (2-year old loves stuff that isn't his) or pirating games.  I agree that people who pirate games kinda screw the rest of us who want homebrew and stuff, but what would this world be without pirates?

[pinkerton]

We where all warned twenty years ago that copying our C64 and spectrum tapes would destroy the games industry, yet here we are and its making more money than ever. And the way developers get there money is evolving too, the amount of advertising in games is ever increasing. Do you think the advertisers care about piracy, I doubt it. They care for as many people seeing the ad as possible, pirate or not. Hence they will pay more the larger the user base. And microsoft know this too, banning these users would lower the user base, "if" they do start banning, you take a look at how many 360's will be on ebay!
This is all about the developer making money, theres the old excuse " I wasnt going to buy it anyway so they havent lost any money from me pirating it". But what about buying the game second hand? Surely thats as bad as pirating? isnt it? After all the developer isnt getting any of that money, its going straight in the pocket of the original buyer! for all the do gooders moaning about the firmware and the odd backup then ban second hand sales while your at it too.

Have I flashed my firmware?
Not telling  

[fullmore]

To all who think of anyone downloading a game as a pirate. MS and game developers spend as much as $10-20 million dollars on creating a game. Well, with appx 6-7 million xbox 360's sold, and the average game going for $50, with an estimate of 2-3 games bought by each 360 owner, thats about $1 BILLION dollars sales.
Now, if games were resonably priced at under $20, the amount of pirating would go down, as most would buy any game they wanted without fear of having a $50 game that not only sucks but can be finished in less than ten hours. At that rate, we'll estimate each 360 owner buying 8-10 games. Guess what, they would make the SAME or MORE in sales. Now, you tell me, who's ripping off who?
Just to stir the pot...bets are on that 8 out of 10 who say they don't pirate....DO! Just like most people deny looking at porn on the net, majority is lying.