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[TheMuffinMan]

Ok, if someone really does that much researching, they're bound to find the best way, it just makes sense that that is what would happen (reason why search button is there) These forums aren't meant for trivial questions that don't even need to be asked, just as i put it "use common sense", if you're really that unsure about something, check the tutorials page or use the search button, almost guarenteed there's 12 other people out there with the exact prob/solution you are looking for.

Ex of those posts not necessary:

How do I position the glass?
80 mm fan doesn't fit what to do!?!?!
What resistor do i need (this one's kinda in the air as to worthy or not, some are)
Will this work?
I've got a great idea, but i havent even started it yet, and I can't tell you what i'm doing!!!

[twistedsymphony]

there are lots of add on scrips you can get... and if you know php you can edit the forum code.

on a unrelated note: one add-on script I'd love for X-S to impliment is an anti double posting script (detects duplicate posts and deletes them automatically. this espeically with the spotty forums during high traffic and the frequent accidental double posting when you get a forum error.

[UndercoverPunker]

[getthefunstuff]

BS!  if someone has an idea and wants to know if it will work it is very beneficial to ask if anyone has tried it and been successful or failed.  why should someone risk screwing up their xbox if someone else has tried the exact same thing and fried their xbox.  these are exactly the questions that need to be asked.  this way they can learn what others have done and what they should do differently or do the same.


this topic is "Frustration With The Scene."  my frustration is with people who, as cyberpunk said, give a reply to a question of "use the search," when 1/2 the search results go to other questions that are answered with "use the search."  if you dont want to answer a question, then its simple, dont.  it is these rude replies and comments that are clogging up the forum.  these rude responses that come from people that are supposed to be experts.  what is the point of gaining the knowledge if you are not going to halp anyone else with their needs.  remember, everyone was once a beginner and needed help in fulfilling their ideas.  either you needed help or you fried you xbox at least once.  i would rather ask a "noob" (stupid term) questioon than risk frying my xbox.  there are many people who are willing and enjoy helping others who are just starting out with modification.  if you are not one of these people then ignore it, dont respond.  that is the most annoying thing in this forum, people who answer questions with BS or bad attitudes.

[Rylinkus]

[TheMuffinMan]

Of course you have exceptions, but you have posts like those that I gave examples of, which def won't kill your box. A simple google search can solve most actually.

Resistor calculator on metku mods from google search

How do you cut plexi ? - seems kinda a personal opinion, and common sense


Ones like, how do i fix a broken trace, i can understand completely, but that's not a question you get often. You have to actually know what you're doing in the first place to ask the right thing.

I've done almost all of my mods by using tutorials and search. Simply because they're already out there. The other mods i've done are common sense (heatsink doesnt fit this way, let's cut off these things and blah blah blah etc) Most of the people that are the upper level members are the same way, you have to use the available resources first, then ask the questions so that they're educated ones.

Another place this is very similar to is where I'm a admin for XBC, we clearly state for everyone to please go and use the forums, tutorials, help page and what not first, then come to email or chat. 9 times out of 10 they haven't done a single thing except go to help chan, why? because they're lazy and want things done now. That 1 person needs our help and deserves it, not the 20 people that dont understand how to rename their xbox or what not, it's just a waste of time.

[UndercoverPunker]

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Asking for basics on how to do something is good, but too many people want their hand held for the entire project.

I agree whole-heartedly

[volcomman2003]

Something to be noted can just be another sticky even though i know we have quite a few already a post in the form of this

Title: Searches
under Title: use it


So you say you searched and then you found nothing so you went into the hardware/case modding forum and posted a topic such as what paint to use but a simple trip to the search button and simply typing "paint " would bring up 20 pages of what type of paint ways to paint where to paint and how to paint your xbox its that simple

use the button and you find what you are looking for and then after you have looked throughly and then found nothing or not enough info (which hopefully there isnt)  then come to the forum and ask your unique question that you think has not been answered before

Paint- Paint Search results here
Dvd Window-Search Results Here


This simple post could help alot of people i know it would be a bit timely but you could take request from modders of what the highest "newbie" or repeated questions are and update the post with those search results link so even for the newest of newbs thy could find what they are looking for just point them to the direction of the sticky such as this one and they would find the abundance of post that have cover3d there topics before.

this post might be a bit drastic but i see it as something that could help the scene **feedback**

[TheMuffinMan]

Quite true, also the fact that people should try to post in the correct subject area would help as well, IE, what chip should i buy, should never be in Hardware/Case modding

[Zodiiak]

Many of you may disagree with me, and many of you may agree with me.  But the bottom line is, it happens, and you can tell people to search all you want, but it's going to happen nonetheless.

Solution:
Click away my friends, click away.

Note:  A bit curious as to why the hell you being a mod would be such a great solution.  XS already has a barrage of great moderators who do an excellent job already.  Makes me a bit curious as to what your true intentions were for creating this topic, as I bet it makes others question your intentions also.

Just my opinion  

[estin]

   anyhow, i read the tutorials and all the pinned topics and if i had a logical question or concern i couldn't answer by searching you guys were glad to help out.  thats what i urge noob's to do.  however the noob's that come on and say "how do i do this i'm too lazy to read"  piss me off.  thats the kinda stuff that should be cleaned up around here.

[heinrich]

Moving from Xbox Case/Hardware modding -> Compliments / Suggestions / Complaints

carry on...

[shanafan]

So let me understand this. Is Mastercheef just mad that people can't use proper spelling and grammar when posting in hardward modding? Are you kidding me? This happens in EVERY forum. In EVERY forum, people ask basic questions, use bad spelling, etc., so you might as well get used to it. Also, this can be attributed to EVERY single board out on the web. This is nothing new.

And then the kicker comes.. you want to moderate? After you are complaining about the above issues, you want to come in and the have power just to tell people off, and expect them to pay attention because you are above them?

[brahm2]

QUOTE (mastercheef)

Brahm, we need your opinions as well, as I'm sure you've noticed this type of on-going unawareness of knowledge regarding new/slightly experienced members.

Yes.. but weren't we all newbies once? For example.. Xbox-Scene is my first forum.. when I joined, I bumped a topic I made the same minute I created it because I didn't understand the concept of bumping. No big deal.. all I needed was someone to take 30 seconds of their time to briefly explain what a bump was.

QUOTE (mastercheef)

Slightly off topic, Brahm I'm not sure how this works or whether you need help or not, but I'd love to help moderate. I can put bias aside for the job, of course. If there's nothing else to be done here that you can't handle, I think this topic should still be a place to brainstorm what to do about unnecessary topics. Opinions?

This is always a tough call in terms of what admins think, and what the other mods think. Usually people are hand-picked, based on what we NEED and who we want. It's not up to me to offer jobs, but if I ever feel the need that we could use some extra help, I would make a post in the mod chat.

QUOTE (spicymeatball911)

Ofcourse this is a general FAQ and I think maybe we should have a extended FAQ which features every tutorial ever created on the case modding forum with a killer index. It could be a community effort, one person start the thread cough::Brahm::cough and then everyone else just post and the starter will edit and add everyones posts in.

Personally I like the locked topic.. originally I was going to have it open, but HSDEMONZ suggested closing it. So far it has worked great as a junk-free index. As for submissions, I will always accept PMs with links and suggestions to edit into the main body.

QUOTE (spicymeatball911)

you'll find 2 or 3 threads per page with any substance.

People need to ask questions.. it's a fact. Not every thread can be as exciting as Palmore's

QUOTE (mastercheef)

Sometimes I even think about it while I'm eating or in class. When frustration from a favorite forum begins to invade your everyday life, you need to do something about it.

I'm not trying to turn your own words around on you.. but there are some really good posts in this topic about internet addiction, taking it to seriously, etc.. I know I had to re-think a little after I read that topic.

QUOTE (polyesterjones)

"Use search" has been cliched a LONG time ago

Agreed. My favorite thing about case modding is that it is slightly more 'artistic' than some of the other technical forums, so people are more willing to give support. However, a reply like "USE SEARCH!!!" can be pretty pointless in terms of a helpful reply. I would love to see people taking an extra 30 seconds, grabbing a link, copying & pasting from the FAQ, anything to help someone out. That's what I try to do as best as possible.

QUOTE (Psykomantis00)

AND FOR CHRISTS SAKE QUIT POSTING EVERY FUKING TOPIC with the works KRYLON FUCKING FUSION in it.

lol.. but what would work better for everyone? If two people took the time to answer the question, or if eighteen people took the time to post "SEARCH NOOB"?

QUOTE (CyberPunk)

you create more of a problem by telling every person to search after they ask a question instead of just helping out.

Now there's something I agree with.

QUOTE (getthefunstuff)

forums are for asking questions, bragging and comparing experiences.

Basically.. support.

QUOTE (twistedsymphony)

move the case/hardware modding forum further down the forum list so it's not the first forum under the noob section perhapse if it were at the bottom of the hardware forums list it would cut a lot of the crap out.

Agree with you there - however, that effect starts snowballing. If case modding goes down, some other forum comes up.. etc
That's another admin decision, and I am guessing for the short term, it won't change.

QUOTE (UndercoverPunker)

And I've been feeling like the fucking "search Nazi" lately, I realise that I don't have to do that, but it's just so annoying to have to sift throungh 10 posts that don't need to be here, just to find one good one...

Like I mentioned above, not all topics can or ever will be super exciting. If you want to feel like you've helped someone out.. try doing the search for them, see what you can find. Sometimes, if you help someone out, you will feel better about yourself for the whole day

QUOTE (Rylinkus)

But at the same time I dont get the family feel. Too much bashing. Too little idle chat. Debates over cereal. Etc.

Some forums are like that.. I know there are a couple case modders that are pretty close - ie, they get along well online. It's all about attitude.. how you contribute, how others receive your contributions. I try pretty hard to keep a reputation as an overall 'nice guy', both in real life and online. Lets me sleep easier

QUOTE (Rylinkus)

Maybe we should just ban new members to prevent the newbie questions.

I'm sure that's a joke.. but to clarify, it aint gonna happen!

QUOTE (polyesterjones)

What kind of a question is "Where can I purchase paint" or "Where do I get LEDs" or "How do I find the correct resistor?" Topics such as those should be immediately locked and removed, regardless if the poster is a "n00b" or a seasoned vet. Might help to speed the board up (servers) too.

IF we outlawed these sorts of questions, then we would need a lot more mods, then things just get messy. It's a lot easier for people to just answer the question(s)

QUOTE (TheMuffinMan)

I've done almost all of my mods by using tutorials and search.

That's awesome.. I am almost the same way Some people have a talent for using the right keywords, and properly using search functions to call up exactly what they want.

QUOTE (cueball13)

Another complaint I've got is people just expecting you to walk them through something step by step and demanding tutorials whenever someone does something new.

lol yeah.. or people discussing outrageous never-been-done concepts, and someone asking for a tutorial Sometimes, you gotta let 'em down easy.

QUOTE (TheMuffinMan)

Quite true, also the fact that people should try to post in the correct subject area would help as well, IE, what chip should i buy, should never be in Hardware/Case modding

Yeah, those are the ones me and No_Remore (and the other head mods) try and move out right away.. but since they clearly don't belong, they usually sink to the bottom fairly fast, and I/we don't have to worry about them.

QUOTE (Zodiiak)

Note: A bit curious as to why the hell you being a mod would be such a great solution. XS already has a barrage of great moderators who do an excellent job already. Makes me a bit curious as to what your true intentions were for creating this topic, as I bet it makes others question your intentions also.

Thanks for the compliment on behalf of all of us. And I can't really blame anyone for wanting to be a mod at some point.. but some of you who are mods or admins at other forums know that it's not really the funnest thing in the world.. takes a lot of time out of other things.

QUOTE (Emc1683)

To me, if someone makes an educated post, gramatically correct, and I can tell that they have put effort forth, I will try to help as much as I can, maybe even do a little research for them, so I can learn something for myself as I help them.

Well said.

QUOTE (polyesterjones)

Heh, people should be required to take a test prior to entering the "higher" technical forums. You fail, you lose and you cannot post for 24 hours, don't pass go, yadda yadda, etc.

No way, I would fail every single forum but case modding!


Long reply.. sorry for any errors

[Zodiiak]

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I just read the link you posted brahm (http://forums.xbox-s...howtopic=187263) In regards, to this comment made by Masterchief:

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Sometimes I even think about it while I'm eating or in class. When frustration from a favorite forum begins to invade your everyday life, you need to do something about it.

Masterchief;

You should also read the link posted.  It may seem a bit extreme, and completely unrelated to your situation, but when you start to drift away in reality in regards to some little insignificant issue that has occurred on an internet site, there is definately something wrong.  It's really not that big of a deal, and shouldn't be something that interferes' in your social life.

Just my 2 cents