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[HeLiuM]

QUOTE (Feck @ Apr 7 2003, 02:55 PM)

Firstly whats so enjoyable about taking apart something that you have saved up to buy only to take a risk with a chip and not break it. Secondly i hate software piracy just think about it from a games developers point of view... you've just spent 2 years and $50,000 makeing a computer game and before the games even been released some evil bastard has uploaded the game to his "warez" site and has had 10,000 downloads it the first hour or so meaning you have lost thousands if not millions before the game has been released this may mean either the game will have to be re-worked with super tight copy protection or the game gets cancelled and/or the developer shuts down and every one loses their job Third The xbox is just a games console it was not intended to be a PC M$ wanted to make a games console i could see how a large hard drive could be usefull because Xbox live service could lead to patches and updates for xbox games to add new weapons to halo 2 or more wrestlers to raw 2 not to copy all your games to. Fourth If you bring the link between xbox and PC closer you may end up with all the PC problems like Virus's and hackers hacking your xbox and deleting or stealing all your game saves and if you have any on the HDD all your games as well. Fifth yes i to like to play on emulators i have a SNES one which i play on my PC all the time but if i wanted to play them on my TV i would buy a SNES console because you can pick one up for next to nothing these days. Sixth whats wrong with DVD playback? the kit is cheap to buy and gives you a remote control and i'll bet you don't get dolby surround sound with Divx movies either. Seventh there is a problem with the warranty because what happens if the console fails to operate one day Ps2 consoles are known for breaking down and what happens if your console breaks down whilst under warrenty and you send it back to be repaired and they find you have chipped the console and fitted a bigger HD and copied all your games and Divx movies to it they will send it back to you in pieces and probably have you arrested.

its a matter of convenience and quality....

also, i bet whoever made your pc didnt design it for emulators, or be overclocked. but if you can do that, why not....

its alot easier to use a console to play a console, but i dont want every system in my little cabinet and hunt down every old game not in production anymore..

and i want to be able to do all the fun stuff like trainers....

and i want to play divx on my tv with my stereo.

and if i can do all this without paying another $300, then im going to do it.

its not all that much a risk. the modchip does nothing but change the bios, as long as you dont mess it up. and i was fairly confident

and on top of that, arent you being a little hipocritical by saying we cant use our xbox to play snes on tvs but you can use your pc to play snes on a monitor..

[Feck]

maybe not emulators but some computers i have worked with have instructions on overclocking i once worked on a hewlett packard PC and it had a series of dip-switches on the Mobo and all you had to do was change the right combination of switches for the right speed using this method i clocked a P133 into a P200 and there was no overheating as the CPU was as cool as ice
and trainers on console games? i use trainers on my PC games and some of them make the games too easy by giving you things like infinite ammo and health etc and i can play DVD's on my TV in stereo or dolby surround  or THX and there is no legal issues with DVD movies and another thing that mod chips do is bypass the copy protection and security aspects to run "backup" games and i don't want every console in my cabinet either but i play my emulators on my PC with a good sized monitor and a decent SNES like controller they play perfectly sure go ahead and mod-chip your console if you want but i would much rather stay away from that scene.

[kaioshade]

look we bought the damn system we can shove a stick of dynamite in it if we so desire. people od things for different reason. for me, i got sick of carting like 60 snes cartridges and well over 200 nes carts to my dorm room every semester.

throw them all on a box and save space, and time.

[Mage]

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[Lizard_King]

QUOTE (Feck @ Apr 7 2003, 02:55 PM)

Firstly whats so enjoyable about taking apart something that you have saved up to buy only to take a risk with a chip and not break it.

Some adventurous souls find it worthwhile to take small risks for big returns.

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Secondly i hate software piracy just think about it from a games developers point of view... you've just spent 2 years and $50,000 makeing a computer game and before the games even been released some evil bastard has uploaded the game to his "warez" site and has had 10,000 downloads it the first hour or so meaning you have lost thousands if not millions before the game has been released this may mean either the game will have to be re-worked with super tight copy protection or the game gets cancelled and/or the developer shuts down and every one loses their job

Super tight protection?  You mean like the one xbox games supposedly have?  Please.

Piracy will always exist. What makes or breaks games is their quality and marketing, not how much they are pirated.  Look at all the number one games in recent history.  *ALL* were pirated extensively, and all did well.  Is it a shame?  Yes.  Is it the reason software developers go broke?  Hell no.  The companies are poorly run.  Talk to anyone in the industry; game companies, even the successful ones, are run poorly.

Take Sega of America, for instance.  They are one step away from bankruptcy and/or a merger because they blew all of their budget for this last year trying to market their hockey game head-to-head against EA sports' hockey game.  EA is one of the most pirated brands in the biz, but they know how to sell their games, even tho in this case it is an inferior game with a smaller marketing budget.  

Ultimately, Feck, mod chips are a matter of taste.   You don't have that desire, but you are wasting your time and x-s bandwidth trying to convince people here of your views.  You are a Jehovah's witness at a Satanist's convention, and we all know what happens to that guy.

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Third The xbox is just a games console it was not intended to be a PC M$ wanted to make a games console i could see how a large hard drive could be usefull because Xbox live service could lead to patches and updates for xbox games to add new weapons to halo 2 or more wrestlers to raw 2 not to copy all your games to.

Like I give two shits what MS *wants* me to do with their hardware?  I bought it, and I'll use it as a paperweight if I feel like it is more useful to me that way.  

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Seventh there is a problem with the warranty because what happens if the console fails to operate one day Ps2 consoles are known for breaking down and what happens if your console breaks down whilst under warrenty and you send it back to be repaired and they find you have chipped the console and fitted a bigger HD and copied all your games and Divx movies to it they will send it back to you in pieces and probably have you arrested.

1. Some of us have no problem taking responsibility for our mistakes.  

2.  The worst that has ever happened to anyone is having their warranty claim rejected.  MS has neither the time, the inclination, nor the incentive to go after every Joe Schmoe modder who tries to scam them when he spills his beer on his motherboard.

[Feck]

ooohh scary talk and at least you can't screw up the installation of the DVD playback kit and also you say that piracy is forbidden but what you are all doing is pirating the games and swapping advice on how to copy each game and what mod chip to use now it is NOT legal to make a copy of a game you own it was once when games were on floppy disk but not any more i have seen programs on telly where they show people with so called "backups" of games and they all get a visit from the police where they kick the guys door down and take his PC his "backup" games and his console and if he has any lying about his mod-chips all for evidence and he never gets them back because all the copied discs are destroyed and all the chips are destroyed too and the chipper goes to jail.

[M3_DeL]

Feck.....I see your point....it is valid and makes sense.....but you are at a web page made for modding your xbox!!!!!

Im sure the people over at the xbox.com forums would love your company and you would probably have more in comon with the people over there..... I mean what would be the point of going to a fish web page if what you were interested in was Llamas?

This is not meant as a flame so please do not take it that way!

edit: shoot I haven't been to the newbies forum in a long long time!!!! Seems there is as much drama here as in general!

[froescheD]

sometimes i wish to be a moderator...

[nazis X.]

QUOTE (Feck @ Apr 7 2003, 07:42 PM)

ooohh scary talk and at least you can't screw up the installation of the DVD playback kit and also you say that piracy is forbidden but what you are all doing is pirating the games and swapping advice on how to copy each game and what mod chip to use now it is NOT legal to make a copy of a game you own it was once when games were on floppy disk but not any more i have seen programs on telly where they show people with so called "backups" of games and they all get a visit from the police where they kick the guys door down and take his PC his "backup" games and his console and if he has any lying about his mod-chips all for evidence and he never gets them back because all the copied discs are destroyed and all the chips are destroyed too and the chipper goes to jail.

So... do you just pull this kind of shit right out of your ass, or does someone actually brainwash you into believing it's true?
I've never heard of a small-time software pirate going down. No one does shit unless you start distributing pirated software or selling it. Same goes for modchips; you think the cops are going to walk in my place, look at a modchip like a joint, beat me with their clubs, and take me to jail? No.
Seriously, go to another forum. No one here cares that you think it's 'eeeeviiilll'. You know that. Go to a forum that isn't ALL ABOUT MODDING.

[Mage]

QUOTE (Feck @ Apr 7 2003, 12:59 PM)

what about your buddy pal at iso-news.com

Wanna know what happened to him?
He over sold, which got credit card companies involved.
When you "sell" 100 chips and only ship 50, you think the other 50 people are going to just sit around and accept getting ripped off?
So nice try, but your example isn't the same.

Anyways you still haven't answered my question, so I'll repeate it:
"Anyways answer this question straight.
What is your true point here? What purpose do you see gaining by discredting what we enjoy doing?
Honestly you aren't going to change anyone's opinion, and you know it."

[Shadowcat]

Feck has a point. If you spend 12 months making the best game possible and some ass leaks it out and sends it off. You have worked those endless 12 months for nothing. However not all people mod their xboxs to pirate software. I only do this kinda stuff when there is a product that isn't worth the money, Like a crappy scripted program that restarts a server or do something else. And second of all, dumb should be banned for starting this topic. It's not like Feck being evil and mass spamming this board saying I PWN JOO. He is just expressing what he feels about xbox modding. This doesn't mean that you need to start a whole topic about banning him. However Feck, you don't need to keep telling people about not modding their xbox. 1 post is all you need. Not to every person.

[M3_DeL]

QUOTE (Feck @ Apr 7 2003, 12:59 PM)

what about your buddy pal at iso-news.com

feck you read my post?

does it not make sense to you??

[whiffin]

QUOTE (Feck @ Apr 7 2003, 01:55 PM)

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Firstly whats so enjoyable about taking apart something that you have saved up to buy only to take a risk with a chip and not break it.

I dunno - but it is

What's so enjoyable about jumping off a crane with elastic tied to your feet?
What's so enjoyable about spending hours on end watching trains and jotting things in a notepad?

Different people get excited by different things. These forums are (genertally) occupied by people who get excited by modding xboxs. Simple

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Secondly i hate software piracy just think about it from a games developers point of view...

Agreed. That's why these forums don't condone software piracy. I was just saying that some people may use it for this - even if it is illegal.

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Third The xbox is just a games console it was not intended to be a PC

True. But for some people (i.e. us lot) that's not enough. As far as I'm concerned it's a cheap stripped down PC in a convienently sized box just screaming out to be modded.

Chairs are designed for sitting on, does it do any harm if you use one to prop a door open or stand on one to change a lightbulb? - No, they are sold as "seating devices". If I buy an xbox and use it as a door stop - is that bad?

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M$ wanted to make a games console i could see how a large hard drive could be usefull because Xbox live service could lead to patches and updates for xbox games to add new weapons to halo 2 or more wrestlers to raw 2 not to copy all your games to.

It's irrelevant why it was designed, it's what people use it for that matters. If joe bloggs buys an xbox - surely it's up to them what thy put on the HDD? If they want to buy one and use it for bits - so be it.

Lorry cabs are used for pulling lorry trailers - some people buy ones, supe them up and race them. It invalidates the warranty, defeats the original purpose and costs a lot of money. BUT it makes people happy, it's their property - so it's all good stuff.

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Fourth If you bring the link between xbox and PC closer you may end up with all the PC problems like Virus's and hackers hacking your xbox and deleting or stealing all your game saves and if you have any on the HDD all your games as well.

I think you're clutching at straws here mate!

My LAN is behind a frewall and my Xbox passworded!

Virus may happen - but I'll take the risk.
Hacking - not a chance - Xbox isn;t on all of the time anyway. When it's off they can;t hack. When it's on it's either FTPing (and EvoX only supports one FTP connection) or I'm playing a game (and so it's not networked)

Besides - Xbox live - OFFICIALLY connects to the Internet

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Sixth whats wrong with DVD playback? the kit is cheap to buy and gives you a remote control and i'll bet you don't get dolby surround sound with Divx movies either.

DVD playback is cheap, but if you have a load of DivXs that you want playing, the DVD playback kit wont work!

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Seventh there is a problem with the warranty because what happens if the console fails to operate one day Ps2 consoles are known for breaking down and what happens if your console breaks down whilst under warrenty and you send it back to be repaired and they find you have chipped the console and fitted a bigger HD and copied all your games and Divx movies to it they will send it back to you in pieces and probably have you arrested.

Yes, it's always a gamble, but one that's worth it in my (and most people on this forum) opinion

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Fifth yes i to like to play on emulators i have a SNES one which i play on my PC all the time but if i wanted to play them on my TV i would buy a SNES console because you can pick one up for next to nothing these days.

What if I have 5 SNES games I like, 5 Genesis games, 8 NES games, 3 C64 games .... it would be impractical to have one of each in my lounge

Also - what about MAME - dunno about you guys but my lunge isn't large enough for 10 arcade machines

Look mate - you either:

1. Understand why we mod Xboxs just don't wanna do it yourself and are being awquard
2. Don't understand as you're so narrow minded in your own opinions
3. Are seriously too stupid to understand what's happenning

I, or should I say we, can undestand why you wouldn't want to mod an Xbox and appreciate for some people it's best to have a PC for most bits and Xbox only for games. Surely you can see why we'd want to

[Novahux]

So FECK my final word to you, are FECK OFF!!!, you are not worth the wear on the keyboard used to type this reply.

 cheer m8, I hope you get a life some day.

[whiffin]

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still think that no-one gets arrested for what you are doing?

Yes - I do  

Those people got arrested for piracy. These forums do not support piracy, they support legal Xbox modifications and backups.

If you pirate software you are breaking the law and do deserve to get prosecuted, if you mod your (or other people's) Xboxs you are not breaking the law and will not get prosecuted.

Feck, I agree with Novahux - what is your problem?