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[Hoopdy]

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1323.html

So the PS3 has been hacked? Along with the article, I've heard it's been hacked in China. Any info to back up this article about it being hacked?

[openxdkman]

This article is 2 years old.

Hypervisor could be put to sleep with fw<=1.51 (I guess).
(based on paradox and ferrox iso loader rumors).

Let's say there are 4 things, related to Game OS, quite different :
1) homebrew (put hypervisor to sleep to run your own unsigned code)
2) backups (put hypervisor to sleep to run legal backup -you own bd-)
3) piracy (put hypervisor to sleep to run illegal backup -you dl iso-)
4) bootleg piracy (press a perfect 1:1 illegal copy of retail game)

1-3 could have happened with fw<=1.51 (I guess), but became quite useless with fw updates. Recent fw resists hacking so 1-3 can't happen.

What about 4 ?
China is a big country and you can have a factory in a deserted area where organized pirates can perfectly have professional pressing machines in order to create 1:1 perfect copies of retail games. Nowadays, for exemple, any DS retail used game (cartridge) you purchase on eBay has a 99% chance to be a bootleg (a 1:1 physical illegal copy). Recently purchasers of these cartridges discovered they couldn't work on DSi (thus revealing the crime and that it wasn't exactly a 1:1 copy). I think pressing BD's is easier than making a DS complete cartridge copy. So, western journalists learning that some asian players are playing with illegal copies of very recent PS3 games make, will believe that a recent firmware has been hacked, but that may not be the truth.

This post has been edited by openxdkman: Jun 6 2009, 07:27 AM

[TheZander]

So if you were to never update your PS3 what games could you possibly play, and would you even go about doing it if this sleeping hypervisor sleeps

[openxdkman]

You would need CFW's that catch up constantly with new API's added to official firmwares...

Insane amount of work for just achieving backups possibility.
Since blank BD is $40 and retail game $60...
And if you don't own game at all, instead of downloading 45Gb, you can certainly purchase a used copy from eBay (innocentely thinking it's not a bootleg...).

Usually it's homebrew that is the powerful motivation for such insane work, i.e, to put down security (and that allows CFW's makers to start their work). On PS3 this motivation doesn't really exist since Linux is allowed out of the box. Also if you detect that every PS3 user around the world upgrades instantly with lastest official firmware, then that lowers even more your motivation...

This post has been edited by openxdkman: Jun 9 2009, 02:08 PM

[openxdkman]

GOOD and EXCLUSIVE PS3 games will fill up BD (like MSG4), so count on 45Gb

Also if you are patient, one year later games are re-published with lower price.

Only a few rare pirates will do it, mainly for the 'fun' of being pirate (if PS3 gets ever hacked).

People who can't waste time will just pick up unsold retail game in the 'get it for $5' destock bin in stores.

(don't post warez references, you'll run into trouble because of site rules)

This post has been edited by openxdkman: Jun 13 2009, 07:00 PM

[pumpkinman]

My question is why, the ps3 supports linux there is all the Legal homebrew you need. unless you wanna back up games, but Burnable Blue Rays are pricey so yah the ps3 is fine as is.

[semitope]

Linus is crap for homebrew. No access to rsx = fail. Definitely there is a lot to be done with full access to the ps3 with custom widgets and proper homebrew

[PowderDay]

QUOTE(openxdkman @ Jun 9 2009, 07:06 AM)

Insane amount of work for just achieving backups possibility.
Since blank BD is $40 and retail game $60...

BD-R is $4.79
Nice try though

[vildzek]

Even if dual layer BD is 20 $, that make cheap then originals.  I cant believe the scene is dead, so what if the key is in the cell? We donate and ask to be taken...

[swg1251]

QUOTE(vildzek @ Jul 14 2009, 02:20 PM)

Even if dual layer BD is 20 $, that make cheap then originals.  I cant believe the scene is dead, so what if the key is in the cell? We donate and ask to be taken...

Yeah, I also find it odd that no one seems to care about figuring out ways to mod the PS3... I though a lot more people would care more about some kind of ISO loader being made, to cut the cost of Blu-Ray media and still allow 'backups' to be played.
Seems like there were way more people on the Xbox scene even before the firmware flashing method was discovered, hopefully something will eventually be figured out for PS3...

[PowderDay]

I've changed my mind. Forget about hacking the ps3. That way, next gen, sony will have that much more pull with Devs.

Think about it. Should devs release on multi-plat, or ps3 exclusive considering if the ps3 is never hacked, there would be limited piracy compared to every other previous console.

The only piracy on the ps3 are people who can press discs.

Only helps out sony to keep it unhacked.

[semitope]

Not if the other console sells more because it is pirated. THe amount of DRM needed to stop piracy would hinder the functionality of any console. The amount of time it takes the ps3 to do simple things in xmb and simple file operations is all because of the security (probably). All that power and i have to wait at "activating" screens and installing a 1gb demo taking way longer than it should.

ANyway, the ps2 was hacked like hell and people are saying sony was riding the wave from that on to the ps3. They were hugely popular and a great deal of that was the piracy. The psp sells because its pirated.

[PowderDay]

You're talking console sales, i'm talking game sales. Console sales only go so far with software devs. Yes, they want a good install base BUT if the console is widely open to piracy, the devs WILL look for an alternative regardless of the install base (see dreamcast)

IF the ps3 goes unhacked then it WILL lead to an advantage. Look at year by year console sales (not game sales) for 360 vs ps3. The 360 has only a slightly larger growth rate year by year, but since they had extra time in the beginning, their total base is much higher.

[semitope]

QUOTE(PowderDay @ Jul 21 2009, 02:51 PM)

You're talking console sales, i'm talking game sales. Console sales only go so far with software devs. Yes, they want a good install base BUT if the console is widely open to piracy, the devs WILL look for an alternative regardless of the install base (see dreamcast)

IF the ps3 goes unhacked then it WILL lead to an advantage. Look at year by year console sales (not game sales) for 360 vs ps3. The 360 has only a slightly larger growth rate year by year, but since they had extra time in the beginning, their total base is much higher.

I am actually talking about software as well. The 360 consistently sells higher in multiplatform games even tho it has people playing pirated games all over. Why is that? If what you argue is true when will we see 360 software sales slump? When will the ps2 become a non-viable platform? Pirates buy games too, please remember that. It has already been found in the music industry that pirates buy more songs than the regular user. Why might the same not be assumed for the gaming industry? There is a benefit to piracy that the ps3 will never enjoy if it goes unhacked. I've said it before, it would never reach its full potential otherwise. Not just in playing pirated games, but taking advantage of what it can do.

The 360 has major problems that will affect its sales...

For anyone who wishes to argue the PC piracy bit, the PC is lagging because of its complexity and several other reasons besides piracy. As a previous pc gamer i would only buy a game i pirated first so consider that... in my case piracy only helped me become interested in buying a game.

[xbones]

QUOTE(semitope @ Aug 2 2009, 08:02 PM)

 As a previous pc gamer i would only buy a game i pirated first so consider that... in my case piracy only helped me become interested in buying a game.

So if you couldn't pirate anything you wouldn't play or buy any games?  I think if you couldn't pirate anything you'd either rent or buy more games which would be better for the industry.

I only believe people buy games they pirated if they need a key to play online and that's it.. What motivation would you have to buy a game that you already have and are playing..

Ridiculous statement.