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[mr_spoon]

why do i need 50gb, all i watch is the movie, who cares about boring extra's etc, ..lets watch the extra 15mins content cut from the movie ..erm except it's not in the movie it's seperate ..wtf is that all about ..poiontless shit if you ask me ..lol

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[Chancer]

I am still reading the whole of this but a few things stand out.

 A lot of people here are making a stand and are against Sony. Nothing to do with merits or support of either format.
 You might wish to check a few facts before claiming it's a Sony format. You will see the backbone of companies that support this standard. It is not a Sony monopoly.

 People are complaining about bribes to drop down on the BR side. Not proven unlike the bribes paid to go HD-DVD that were admitted.

Too many people read Wikis about the real reason Beta lost to VHS.
 
People who were bashing the PS3 for having a BR player built in are now claiming that MS should have had HD-DVD built in. What in a "Games Machine"?

The cheapo HD-DVD players were only ever an end of line limited sale at the prices they were at.

Funai have a sub £100 BR player due out.

Many on here singing the praises of HD-DVd or BR will not even own either.

[biga55]

Chancer, your objective posts never disappoint.

As for Warner's payoff, it's important to know that both sides were offering up tons of incentives for Warner to support them.  It wasn't a one sided payoff where the HD-DVD side wasn't willing to make a similar offer.  It made sense for Warner to take the side which would end the format war sooner for everyone's good.  With BR titles outselling HDDVD at least 2 to 1, it made sense.

Why are some of you guys so supportive of one format or the other anyway?  I guess it's like PS3 vs. 360 fanboyism.  Don't you understand that it's better for all of us if this format war ends and we get one HD format?

You guys also keep bashing Sony but do you think Toshiba are saints when it comes to corporate behavior?  Have you seen how many business scandals Toshiba has been involved in?  I dislike Sony too since I've gotten bad service from them but I dislike MS and Toshiba as well lol.

HD-DVD also screwed up by not getting more manufacturers into the mix.  Where were all of the cheap chinese made HD-DVD players promised for the holidays (it was too late anyway by late 2007)?  All we had was a firesale of the discontinued A2.  Instead, we'll get a cheap non-Sony Blu-Ray player first.

[Andrew_Roy]

QUOTE(lc204 @ Jan 4 2008, 08:56 PM)

I wonder how much Sony paid to Warner Bros for exclusivity.

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Jan 5 2008, 08:25 AM)

Ya, i just wonder how much of an "incentive" warner received.

Sorry if I'm getting the wrong vibe but are you guys implying this would be something malicious? There's nothing about this story that isn't pure business, why wouldn't there be some business involved?

[warmaster_670]

i find it hilarious that all this people think sony is the devil, yet they seem to support microsoft, which is just as bad as them and many other companies they likely support.

[kowrip]

QUOTE(zequal @ Jan 5 2008, 12:32 AM)

why is that BS? warner may have seen that their hd-dvd's aint selling as good as their blu-ray's

It's BS because 99% of people don't even know about the HD-DVD vs. BR battle and the other 1% are only slightly in BR's favor.  Consumers have not "clearly chosen" BR.  There is no real basis for that statement.

[muskamike]

I was not able to pick up the 99 A3 HDDVD this xmas. That said, the only reason I wanted it is because I want a cheap HD setup. Bluray or HD, either or. At this point, I think alot of consumers are basing their choice on price, which is why HD has been around still. Long term though, what should happen is dual players. They are already out for around 700US I've seen. Could it not be possible by next Christmas to see a dual player for 300$ Door Crasher?

That is my goal, dual player, but for now, I could care less who wins what. My eye can't tell a difference on my 42' between HD and Blu, but compare the amount of disc space available, and you should know who will be more popular longterm.

[perfectdark]

this wasn't a suprise if you've been following the market
I had HD-DVD addon and just got rid of it, no one can say either format is better (i'm talking about movie and video/sound, i doubt anyone would buy a format based on extra features, when majority just want to watch the movie)
that being said, here in canada HD-DVD players were $99 for boxing day sales but are over $300 and bluray plays are also $340 for the cheapest, PS3 nest being $399, so if bluray players dont start coming down in price, DVD will continue for a long time
I know microsoft wants to do download service, but lets face it most poeple $35 anhd older still are newbies on internet and wont want to download movies nor care to learn how, and they wont spend $400+ on bluray player when they can get a dvd player for $40 at walmart and $10 movies

[mlmadmax]

One reason I am a little pissed at the blu ray camp is when the units where first released in the states all of the first blu ray movies really looked like shit compared to hd-dvd's. This is when the players where twice as much.

When the PS3 came out in the states they where still having problems with there codecs hence talledega nights being one of the softest and least pleasing blu ray's of all time.

When the PS3 was released in the europe they finally got there shit together and are now releasing movies that look wonderfull, casino royal looks excelent.

That is a long time to be charging more for there players and not having them perform. Now they are on par with hd-dvd in terms of PQ and there players are around the same price but it still was a shitty way to go about everything. Then there is the whole 1.1 fiasco it just pisses me off the whole way they went about it.

If the hadn't put a blue ray player in the PS3 they would be losing so it was a good business strategy in that perspective. I just hope this pushes movie houses to jump over to blu ray so this can be over as soon as possible but as I said before it is going to rage on for way to long.

[spinr34]

wow, after 20 years and a million different formats, it looks like sony will actually have a winning format

[luther349]

well M$ said they didn't know what format was going to win. and if it was blueray they would make a blueray player for the 360. kinda fell sad for anyone who bought the hddvd add on thow. this is why i whont go to any format and the fact any good standerd dvd player can come close to the qualty of the hd formats anyways.

[thor99]

Well for those who support HD-DVD, They posted their info on the press release page.. Call Them And Complain And Let Them Know How You Feel..

Contact Info:
Jim Noonan
Warner Bros. Home Ent. Group
(818) 977-5489

Susan Fleishman
Warner Bros. Entertainment
(818) 954-1919

Scott Rowe
Warner Bros. Entertainment
(818) 954-5806


You Never Know, "The Gears That Make The Noise, Will Be The Ones That Gets The Oil..."

[Takieda]

QUOTE(thor99 @ Jan 5 2008, 03:10 PM)

Well for those who support HD-DVD, They posted their info on the press release page.. Call Them And Complain And Let Them Know How You Feel..

Contact Info:
Jim Noonan
Warner Bros. Home Ent. Group
(818) 977-5489

Susan Fleishman
Warner Bros. Entertainment
(818) 954-1919

Scott Rowe
Warner Bros. Entertainment
(818) 954-5806
You Never Know, "The Gears That Make The Noise, Will Be The Ones That Gets The Oil..."

Thank you very much for this info. I had not even considered doing something like this (didn't even think of where to start), but now it gives me the impetus to have my voice heard, and that is what consumers need, their voices, not their pocketbooks (I say that because their pocketbooks follow the marketting and the marketing is leading them straight to DRM ridden, Region locked crap - at least HDDVD has no region lock).

I don't think my calling them and telling them to drop both formats and start their own without DRMs or other hassles will ever be taken seriously, BUT, at the least I can voice for the lesser of two evils.

And another little thing - to all you who want the war to be over with ASAP. Personally I hope it wages on for years. I want to see both sides digging their claws into the studios so deep to get them to switch sides that by the end of it, the studios will be so absolutely furious with the current model, that they actually LISTEN to what the consumers have to say.

down with BOTH HD formats... I want a consumer driven product, NOT Sony, Toshiba, or Microsoft driven. Hell, I'd even go for apple at this point with Steve Jobs admitting to hating DRMs and finally allowing the purchase of DRM free music on iTunes (though I'm not a big fan of the Mac OS).

[Mr Invader]

I have the strong feeling that if Microsoft wants HD-DVD to win, they still have the chance to slam Blu-ray into the ground. Honestly, I feel that way. It's just that I don't think they want to put forward the effort to do so. I hope they prove me wrong.

And now I'm waiting for an external dual-format HD drive for the 360.  

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Jan 5 2008, 06:39 AM)

People are complaining about bribes to drop down on the BR side. Not proven unlike the bribes paid to go HD-DVD that were admitted.

What other reasons would there be?  Warners love for all things blu?  While no facts yet on money incentives from br camp (news just barely broke), i'm sure there will be sooner then later.  Money is always involved in deals like these.

QUOTE(Andrew_Roy @ Jan 5 2008, 09:52 AM)

Sorry if I'm getting the wrong vibe but are you guys implying this would be something malicious? There's nothing about this story that isn't pure business, why wouldn't there be some business involved?

That was not implied.  The reasons that warner gave for going exclusive were just unsound, but expected.