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« Reply #75 on: January 04, 2008, 10:14:00 PM »

QUOTE(Heet @ Jan 4 2008, 06:48 PM) View Post

Buy hard drives instead.  Thats what im doing.  And at 1TB at a time too.


absolutely great point...

QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jan 4 2008, 07:20 PM) View Post

That war wont be over for at least another 4 years. In that time MANY things will have changed.


many many things will have changed when the dust settles...

QUOTE(slipstream @ Jan 4 2008, 11:37 PM) View Post

your right, most people are NOT ready for a new format, and everyone cant afford a 1080p set right now. But HD-media being released early was a smart move, especially since there was going to be a format war. Figure now, by the time all the dust settles from the war, HDTV's will become much, much more common, and then the average consumer can buy the only format left and not have to research for months before making a risky choice (which i did - used PS3~$350).


exactly, HD discs (both formats) have overall a very poor consumer adoption rate and the two biggest factors are (1) overall improvement in current DVD technology and (2) total cost of adoption.  as the cost drops over the next few years, then more consumers will consider HD media content.  but by that time, other formats and distribution methods will exist and so it will be interesting to see what the future holds...

for now, the bottom line is if you can afford the new technology and enjoy the benefits obtained - regardless of the format - then that is all that really matters..."to each his own" so to speak...


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« Reply #76 on: January 04, 2008, 11:37:00 PM »

Well since the rrod issue I decided to buy a Sony 46 inch lcd which comes with a bundled PS3. I plan just to buy  Ps3 exclusive used games from ebay, hire blueray movies from blockbuster & use my 360 to play rest of the games "backups". At least I get the best of both worlds and save lots of money....
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« Reply #77 on: January 04, 2008, 11:07:00 PM »

Why do people keep saying If MS put the dam HD-DVD drive HD-DVD would be on top?

I wouldn't have bought my system if it was $100 bucks more expensive.

And the fact is HD-DVDs read spead is to slow for gaming so the games would not perform optimaly on HD-Disc, so the system would have been more expense without adding anything to the gaming experience.

Movie companies are acting in culusion to force the consumer into Blu-Ray.
Sony can afford to pay everyone off becuase they are the main licensor of Blu-Ray.
They may not even be paying companies off, just waving royalty fees for say 3yrs.
Then the movie studios ramp up Blu-Ray distribution and decrease DVDs.

My question is what is happening in Europe?
Is'nt HD-DVD much more popular in Europe than Blu-Ray.

I Would think China and India and South America would prefer HD-DVD as well, being they could easily re-tool dvd manufacturing facilities to produce HD-DVDs.

Given HD-DVD is region free one could import movies from any contry with english sound track.

I doubt the war is realy over yet.

I hope we're not stuck with Blu-Ray as I see no feature I would pay extra for over HD-DVD which should be inhieritly less expensive (DVD Lineage) for the next few years.
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« Reply #78 on: January 04, 2008, 11:13:00 PM »

QUOTE(Flagg3 @ Jan 4 2008, 07:36 PM) View Post

Say what you will, but the inclusion of Blu-ray in the PS3 was genius for Sony.  It is the single reason that they will ultimately win the format war, and it will become more and more significant for gaming in the next couple of years, despite Microsoft's protests otherwise.

Genius?  Oh come now.  The BR is the main reason it has sold so poorly, due to the added cost they have to pass on to the consumer.  The ps3 would be doing A LOT better if it had just a DVD drive.  BR or HDDVD is not a necessity to the masses like DVD is.  They are perfectly fine with DVD.
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« Reply #79 on: January 05, 2008, 12:03:00 AM »

hmm.. time to buy me a PS3.
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« Reply #80 on: January 04, 2008, 11:42:00 PM »

I just checked my HD-DVD movies.

Out of the 11 movies that I have, 6 are Warner Bros.
Out of those 6, 2 are classics, and 3 are a trilogy.

I have 5 very diverse movies, along with Season 1 of Heroes, that are either Universal or Paramount; Warner Bros. going to Blu-ray doesn't have much effect on me so far. The next movie that I plan on buying, Beowulf, is Paramount; so I'm good there too.

That being said, Warner Bros. going Blu-ray exclusive is probably the Achilles heel in the BR vs. HD-DVD struggle. Unless something is done quick by Toshiba and Microsoft, I think that the format war will be all but over by the end of the year.

And I've never liked the digital distribution thing, I like bringing my 360 and HD-DVD add-on, along with some discs, to my friend's house to watch movies on his 46" Plasma 1080p television. I WILL NEVER be one of those who brings my computer over to his house to watch a movie. And an external drive wouldn't be the best thing because #1 big HDD usually need software installed and #2 his computer isn't powerful enough and doesn't have the right software to play HD movies. Video marketplace isn't a bad idea, but I've never seen the quality of the downloaded movies and I don't like only being able to watch them once.
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« Reply #81 on: January 04, 2008, 11:58:00 PM »

Unfortunely the war is going to drag on despite WB cutting of hd-dvd. With the amount of money all these major companies have invested they aren;t going to call it quits. I bet hd-dvd could go for months while loosing shitloads of money to blu-ray.

The whoel thing just sucks, someone in this thread mentioned it coming down to a dual format player down the road settling the score and I agree.

The whole thing just sucks and the funniest thing to me is that sales of both formats are totally in the shitter when compared to dvd so who cares in the long run.

I like toys so I own both but I am very much in the minority.

Anyway cudos to warner for trying to force some kind of ending but i am betting it won;t make a difference in the lone run.
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« Reply #82 on: January 05, 2008, 01:08:00 AM »

So BR is better you say? Tell that the early adopters being pushed to get rid of their old BR players because certain features aren't implemented in them. Sony doesn't deserve to win the war with this kind of attitude towards the customer.

Look at early BR releases... the whole BR is filled by only the movie, because it is encoded in MPEG2 (yes, MPEG2, just like a regular DVD) which takes up lots of space. Sony claimed that H.264 didn't cut it, but why are the SAME movies on HDDVD (in H.264) better looking AND with extras?

As for 'safety' of your precious disks: Look at the specs! Look where the data sits on both disks and think about it. BR is just scary. If something gets thru this 'scratchproof' surface, the disk is history. A HDDVD can indeed, just like a DVD, be repaired.

So f#%k Sony and f#%k Warner too!
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« Reply #83 on: January 05, 2008, 12:47:00 AM »

QUOTE(mc_365 @ Jan 5 2008, 12:43 AM) View Post

Why do people keep saying If MS put the dam HD-DVD drive HD-DVD would be on top?

I wouldn't have bought my system if it was $100 bucks more expensive.


Yes you would have and so would everyone else that currently has a 360.

By putting the HD DVD drive in the 360 you trojan horse the media player into thousands of homes. Sony was smart to trojan horse Bluray players by putting them in the PS3. For one it makes your sales look huge to the industry and studios, and two, people who would have probably otherwise wouldn't have bothered with an HD format now have the urge to buy Bluray movies because they got a player in their console.
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« Reply #84 on: January 05, 2008, 12:59:00 AM »

Some things I've gleaned from this conversation, and one thing missing -

In the US market there is now a large incentive for blu-ray, but the global market says otherwise. Europe is very pro HD-DVD and other countries will be enjoying the benefits of it as well, especially considering its low cost of production, and the ease at which companies can switch production methods.

Overall the quality between the two is a moot point, as it's entirely dependent upon the encoder to do the right job to make the movie look good. We've already seen that both formats can produce excellent quality movies, which makes the next point also moot - capacity. Even without the addition of the three layer HD-DVD discs, both formats can produce the same quality within their alotted spaces, with all added bonuses, etc. No more space is truly needed.

I've always backed HD-DVD as there are fewer restrictions, it's not Sony (sorry, but their track record, for me, is not something I enjoy), and is generally a more robust system. It's also, in general, a cheaper system to purchase and implement. The problems, esp. early on, with Blu-Ray, and the fact that the public has, as yet, not been compensated for suffering early adoption, has prompted me to further back away from Blu-Ray.

I like the idea of digital distribution myself, but I always always prefer a tangible product. I still buy CDs, then rip them and have all the music on my media center computer. I also purchase DVDs and do the same. I have a few HD DVDs and have done the same with them. It's very nice not have to change discs when you wish to switch movies, shows, etc... I also like having the wall of boxes that house my discs, which will not receive scratches due to this. And before you flame, yes, I'm VERY aware that very few people, esp. those less technically inclined, are likely to go to this extreme. The point is, all of this is made VERY difficult for the consumer, and thusly, only tech savvy individuals such as myself are going to go through with this.

And therein lies my biggest complaint. I like HD-DVD as it is the lesser of two evils, but it is still an evil no less. I really would like to see both formats fail, and for the CONSUMER to actually have a say in this matter - allowing us to purchase discs that don't have so much copy protection crap on them as to make them sometimes unplayable on some players (blu-ray thank you), or just to require just an incredible amount of hardware because of their copy protection as to drive the cost of the players so high as to make it prohibitive.

What we need is a physical product that allows us to copy to our home PC (or player for those not wanting to have to mess with full PCs), the movie, allow for smaller, more portable versions to be copied to additional players, etc. allowing the consumer to have the collectable product, and do with it what they want, and even making it easier for the consumer to do those things.

I wouldn't mind seeing HVD's with a dozen copies of the same movie on them, all in different formats each with the ability to copy to whatever player we want. Perhaps a better, solution could arise beyond that, but that, to me, seems to be the fastest, as copying at 120MBps is much faster than reencoding the video from one media type to another.
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« Reply #85 on: January 05, 2008, 01:51:00 AM »

QUOTE(Takieda @ Jan 5 2008, 10:35 AM) *

Some things I've gleaned from this conversation, and one thing missing -

In the US market there is now a large incentive for blu-ray, but the global market says otherwise. Europe is very pro HD-DVD and other countries will be enjoying the benefits of it as well, especially considering its low cost of production, and the ease at which companies can switch production methods.

Overall the quality between the two is a moot point, as it's entirely dependent upon the encoder to do the right job to make the movie look good. We've already seen that both formats can produce excellent quality movies, which makes the next point also moot - capacity. Even without the addition of the three layer HD-DVD discs, both formats can produce the same quality within their alotted spaces, with all added bonuses, etc. No more space is truly needed.

I've always backed HD-DVD as there are fewer restrictions, it's not Sony (sorry, but their track record, for me, is not something I enjoy), and is generally a more robust system. It's also, in general, a cheaper system to purchase and implement. The problems, esp. early on, with Blu-Ray, and the fact that the public has, as yet, not been compensated for suffering early adoption, has prompted me to further back away from Blu-Ray.

I like the idea of digital distribution myself, but I always always prefer a tangible product. I still buy CDs, then rip them and have all the music on my media center computer. I also purchase DVDs and do the same. I have a few HD DVDs and have done the same with them. It's very nice not have to change discs when you wish to switch movies, shows, etc... I also like having the wall of boxes that house my discs, which will not receive scratches due to this. And before you flame, yes, I'm VERY aware that very few people, esp. those less technically inclined, are likely to go to this extreme. The point is, all of this is made VERY difficult for the consumer, and thusly, only tech savvy individuals such as myself are going to go through with this.

And therein lies my biggest complaint. I like HD-DVD as it is the lesser of two evils, but it is still an evil no less. I really would like to see both formats fail, and for the CONSUMER to actually have a say in this matter - allowing us to purchase discs that don't have so much copy protection crap on them as to make them sometimes unplayable on some players (blu-ray thank you), or just to require just an incredible amount of hardware because of their copy protection as to drive the cost of the players so high as to make it prohibitive.

What we need is a physical product that allows us to copy to our home PC (or player for those not wanting to have to mess with full PCs), the movie, allow for smaller, more portable versions to be copied to additional players, etc. allowing the consumer to have the collectable product, and do with it what they want, and even making it easier for the consumer to do those things.

I wouldn't mind seeing HVD's with a dozen copies of the same movie on them, all in different formats each with the ability to copy to whatever player we want. Perhaps a better, solution could arise beyond that, but that, to me, seems to be the fastest, as copying at 120MBps is much faster than reencoding the video from one media type to another.


False, BD is winning here in Europe.
HVD is a hoax, it was pointed as "future" since CD came, and yet nobody was able to see something working to date (just google "Constellation").
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« Reply #86 on: January 05, 2008, 01:42:00 AM »

QUOTE(ConteZero76 @ Jan 5 2008, 02:51 AM) View Post

False, BD is winning here in Europe.
HVD is a hoax, it was pointed as "future" since CD came, and yet nobody was able to see something working to date (just google "Constellation").

I was merely pointing out what others had said that weren't generally argued against. I wouldn't mind seeing some official figures either way on that, as there don't seem to be many stated anywhere, beyond what the Sony and Toshiba camps want to state about market penetration with products sold and/or shipped, etc. Not much of a good reference without knowing how many movies are being sold, general public awareness and acceptance, etc.

Beyond that, I brought up HVD more as a lark than anything else. It wouldn't have to be HVD, as any format that could bring that kind of storage to the forefront for any remotely resembling affordable for the mass market would be acceptable by me, esp. in the method I suggested. I'd like to think others would agree on that point.

Obviously, what I want, and what will happen are two completely different things, but I still want both formats to fall horribly flat, and for a new, all inclusive, non DRM ridden, consumer conscious format to come onto the scene and reign supreme. I'm still pissed at HDTV manufacturers (or whoever's responsible, as I'm not going to look up which) for adopting the rather.... shoddy, HDMI and even DVI formats. They're so finicky that they can't run more than 35 feet each (compared to analog Component broadcasts running at over 300), which is completely unworkable in a LOT of home theater systems employing front-projection TVs.
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« Reply #87 on: January 05, 2008, 02:41:00 AM »

I thought people said Warner would never go blue?   People have posted Blue could not win.  People said HD DVD was goign to catch up?  What happeend? Full of themselves.

There are ways to win and it has been done.
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« Reply #88 on: January 05, 2008, 03:49:00 AM »

QUOTE(the_nerdy @ Jan 5 2008, 02:41 AM) View Post

There are ways to win and it has been done.

Ya, i just wonder how much of an "incentive" warner received.
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« Reply #89 on: January 05, 2008, 04:17:00 AM »

Apparently HDDVD was working on a deal with fox and warner brothers to become exclusive

Warner brothers was only going to do it if fox switched but they made a deal with the BDA so warner brothers also decided to also make a deal with the BDA
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