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[Ranger72]

I have many exclusive games for the 360 and ps3.

PS3 exclusive games tend to look and play better than any exclusive 360 game.  

I have yet to play a 360 game that looks and play better than Uncharted for the ps3.

And I have played a few hours of the 360 and ps3 version of GTA4 and the ps3 version looks better with less texture pop.

It may be true the GPU on the 360 is faster but as the old saying goes. It is not how big it is but how good you use it. lol  

[eduardor2k]

Everything he said it's old news.

At the end is very simple, X360 is like making a game for a PC, but the PS3 has a new architecture and developers need do get used to that, the only problem is that Sony needs to help/develop and support this technology.

Now you can see that almost every game look the same on PS3 and X360, i'm sure that in a few moth, games will look exactly the same.

Bot consoles run and play great

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(Ranger72 @ Jun 11 2008, 04:17 PM)

And I have played a few hours of the 360 and ps3 version of GTA4 and the ps3 version looks better with less texture pop.

The reason GTA4 looks better on the PS3, is because it is 640p and not 720p like GTA4 for the 360... sarcasm.

[m_hael]

QUOTE(Nikki Niel @ Jun 11 2008, 08:02 PM)

said lots of stuff... it read like a teenager interpreting Shakesphere having never experienced life...

you obviously have some facts ... but the interpretation is off somewhat.

Cell is made up of 1 PPU and 8 SPU's. Disregarding the configuration changes for ps3 what you have is 9 execution units all capable of similar things.

yes the SPU's have local memory, but they can DMA to/from anywhere in other memory.
yes they have a reduced instruction set, but the compiler hides that such that code can be run on either spu/ppu with little or no change.
SPU's can and do multi-task... by direct context switching. The PPU has 2 HW threads ... so it can run 2 threads at a time... any more and IT starts to context switch between threads.

In short your info reads like someone interpreting information from many years ago when people worried about how we would get games running on cell.

I still can't give any detail on this due to NDA...but the above interpretation should NOT be seen as fact

[Ranger72]

Well considering MGS4 is the hands down best looking game of this gen consoles so far kind of suggests the GPU is not such a huge factor.

I have yet to see any 360 game come close to the awe inspiring game play and graphics this game has. But hey don't take my word for it. Checkout all the reviews but hey don't take their word for it. Check it out yourself.

[Chancer]

QUOTE(Giga_Death @ Jun 14 2008, 03:10 PM)

graphics? Gears looks better than this and it's at 720p. MG4 is sub 720p upscaled and uses the same frame blending technique DMC uses which makes fast movements slightly blurry.

92% average on gamerankings. Quite a few 80% scores too, anymore and it risks going under 90%

Graphics are far more impressive than GOW.
Have you played them both on the same TV?
 I have.

[mlmadmax]

I have to say MGS4 is an awesome looking game. My only complaint is some of the textures are awefull while some are awesome and it also has kind of a unorganic washed look sometimes. These are very minor gripes and overal the game is one of the best looking releases ever on any console.

As far as the upscaling bit goes as long as a 1080p signal is output from the unit and looks great I don't give a shit as to how it gets that way inside the unit. An image that is adjusted at the source is just fine.

MGS4 is a very crisp game with no jaggies and no tearing (tearing is a problem with a lot of 360 games) and has a rock solid framerate.

For me if everygame looked near this good and was rendered at this resolution the PS3 might be able to make a comeback.

This also shows that the rsx coupled with the cell can pack one hell of a punch.

[Chancer]

QUOTE(Giga_Death @ Jun 14 2008, 08:31 PM)

plenty of framedrops.
Not to me, low textures, washed out palette, sub 720p, GoW simply looks more detailed and vibrant and doesn't suffer the same framedrops.

Have you played the game?
 No I doubt you have. You are simply re-quoting stuff from the internet. Mainly from a known biased website that gave H3 98 percent and 9.5 for it's story line.
Strange how people who have actually played the game all say different to those that don't even own a PS3.

[Ranger72]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Jun 14 2008, 11:42 PM)

Have you played the game?
 No I doubt you have. You are simply re-quoting stuff from the internet. Mainly from a known biased website that gave H3 98 percent and 9.5 for it's story line.
Strange how people who have actually played the game all say different to those that don't even own a PS3.

Chancer I give up talking to these fan boys. If Sony told them it was sunny in the middle of the day they would argue until they are blue in the face to convince you it is in fact dark as the middle of the night.

I am just sitting back wondering what their excuses will be in a couple years when the PS3 is outselling the 360 10 to 1.

[Giga_Death]

QUOTE(Chancer)

Have you played the game? No I doubt you have. You are simply re-quoting stuff from the internet. Mainly from a known biased website that gave H3 98 percent and 9.5 for it's story line.

Yeah because what i've seen and what the video shows (can you prove that false?) is not as good as your "say so".

If that's what you call a valid rebuttal maybe you need to try harder.

[Foe-hammer]

MGS4 is a beautiful game, and in some ways better looking then GoW, but in other ways GoW looks better.  For example MGS4 has better environmental shadows and self shadows.  GoW has better textures.  Blah, blah, blah.  Honestly, i think Halo 3 has better graphics in some cases, such as lighting.  That's nothing to take away form MGS4, because it is one of the best looking console games to date, but it did not blow me away, so to speak.

I am surprised that MGS4 is not even native 720p, though, when it was being touted as being native 1080p.


On Topic:  I think it is the ps3's gpu that is keeping them in the game, not the other way around.  The ps3's gpu is no slouch.

[Chancer]

QUOTE(Giga_Death @ Jun 15 2008, 02:21 AM)

Yeah because what i've seen and what the video shows (can you prove that false?) is not as good as your "say so".

If that's what you call a valid rebuttal maybe you need to try harder.

You don't have experience of it on your PS3 ?? Well  what a surprise.
Unless you are giving an opinion from experience then basically you can spout all the crap you like, it means nothing.
The opinions I respect and take on board are the ones who have played the game.
If someone has played it and gives a view and they don't rate it, that is fair enough.
By the way I don't need to prove it to you, I am enjoying the game with no framerate issues as are many others who own it.
I bet you don't even have a 360 yet! Just a feeling I suppose.

[Giga_Death]

QUOTE(Chancer)

You don't have experience of it on your PS3 ?? Well what a surprise. Unless you are giving an opinion from experience then basically you can spout all the crap you like, it means nothing.

I have seen it first hand (that's what friends are for, I wouldn't want a PS3) and I have presented the video showing said framedrops. You have still to prove this false apart from your best rebuttal being "if you don't own a PS3 therefore anything you say is false". And even the most wacky fanboys have admitted quite a few framedrops under 30fps.

[Chancer]

QUOTE(Giga_Death @ Jun 15 2008, 03:07 PM)

I have seen it first hand (that's what friends are for, I wouldn't want a PS3) and I have presented the video showing said framedrops. You have still to prove this false apart from your best rebuttal being "if you don't own a PS3 therefore anything you say is false". And even the most wacky fanboys have admitted quite a few framedrops under 30fps.

I haven't watched your video. Maybe the disc had issues (hotknife420 had to take his back for problems and the issues were resolved with a replacement disc)  I don't have to prove anything. I don't have the issue and reading the posts and constructive criticism of others it is quite obvious who has never played the game.
Anyway I am not going to bother going way off topic any more. This is boring to everyone else.

[Chancer]

QUOTE(mik30 @ Jun 16 2008, 07:19 AM)

Well, I have both: a 360 with GOW and a PS3 with MGS4.
The Grafix, GOW delivers on the 360 are by far much
more impressive than MGS4 on PS3. Especially the
motion capturing for the MGS4 Cutscenes is terrible.
Take for example the introductory Cutscene where
Old Snake enters the battlefield in the middle east
by jumping of the truck with his supplementary
rebell soldiers. If you look at their movement
and keep an eye on their wrist movement you
have to admit that it looks awfully unnatural and
it constantly resembles the look of a puppet on a string.

Are you serious? I was watching the cinematic as whole and saw no problems. If there were obvious issues that affected watching, such as framerate issues I would notice. I certainly was not just focusing on someone's wrist alone. Seems you forget cutscenes in GOW where the FPS drops to about 15 at times. Whilst GOW is great don't pretend it is perfect.

QUOTE(mik30 @ Jun 16 2008, 07:19 AM)

Also the cutscenes do not fit into what happens.
Take again the above mentioned scene: Old snake
starts with an Ak47. The when you jump into the
action Old snake just has a knife. When you than
reach the 1st "Walker"-Scene old snake suddenly
has an Ak47 readily available to shoot one "Walker"
down. Where in hell did he get that from? That´s
really a bad way of storytelling.

Perhaps you missed him picking it up whilst you were watching the wrist movement of the rebel soldiers  Seriously though...in real terms if you look at the weapons carried (the inventory) it is not realistic in any game. The amount they carry  is impossible. that's where imagination comes in. In a film if the actor is walking down a street and then goes into a bar. In the bar the first shots show him smoking . Do you need to see him take out the cigarettes and the lighter or see where he got them from? Snake carrying both weapons and the cut scene not showing him change over the weapon is not a cut scene that makes you lose the storyline. Are you playing the game or reviewing it for a magazine?

QUOTE(mik30 @ Jun 16 2008, 07:19 AM)

In addition to this the character´s movement rate in MGS4
is not adjusted optimally to the rendered framerate
so that the result always has a little stuttering feel
because it just is not liquid "enough".

Again not experiencing this on mine at all. Runs silky smooth. It would be interesting to hear if this is going to be a problem though. hotknife420 had a problem with his which actually turned out to be the disc. Not sure if it was what you describe but he may be able to let us know.

QUOTE(mik30 @ Jun 16 2008, 07:19 AM)

Apart from that MGS looses in a more direct comparison
if you look waht you can do with Phoenix in GOW
and what you are restricted to with Old Snake in MGS4.
Old snake can not even jump over a few foots high wall.

Phoenix is not realistic. Exciting though its he is almost superhuman. Snake is an old man (the premature ageing in the storyline, the thumping his lower back and groaning if you crouch too long) and the walls or rubble you can't jump are deliberate so you can't just shortcut ways through each level.

QUOTE(mik30 @ Jun 16 2008, 07:19 AM)

Frankly spoken I am very disappointed by the hype
about MGS4. Ratings of a perfect 10 (i.e. Gamespot)
are rediculous. MGS4 is by no means a bad game
but it actually does not come close to GOW on the 360.

I never buy into hype as it can leave expectations to high. I can honestly say this game is far better than I thought it actually would be. I think GOW is a different type of game perspective and I agree is brilliant. I have spent hours everyday on it and still play now, but for my point of view I prefer MGS4. May be because I can take a steadier pace through it , I don't know. Obviously you prefer GOW but I am the opposite. GOW was first for me but now it is second. If MGS4 came to the 360 I would buy it for that as well.

QUOTE(mik30 @ Jun 16 2008, 07:19 AM)

Especially the poor Online mode in MGS4 should be reason
enough to lower the rating below 80% and make clear
that GOW is the superior package in every respect.

 I have not played the online mode much yet but so far , again, I have not had any issues. It is not as good as COD4, or it doesn't feel it at present but it may be that I am not used to it.

What is your ID online , I will try catch you online. Mine for MGS is Chancer514

Perhaps we should have a thread in games for MGS4. We seem to be going way off topic here, but I like to hear counter views from people who have actually played the game. It is not going to be to everyone's liking so it is good to hear different takes on it.