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[bucko]

I guess no more EE chip in the USA then lol

[Chancer]

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It's a game console for christ sake, not a media server or apple tv.

 That is the whole point . It is not just a console. Sony should make this clearer.
The EE chip is no problem. There are very few games that don't run fine with the software emulation side.
 The 80gb will take over from the 60GB at the same price point. that was obvious from the minute they announced it.

[mercury187]

QUOTE(bucko @ Aug 30 2007, 02:16 AM)

I guess no more EE chip in the USA then lol

whats an EE chip? And is it only in the 60 GB model? Please explain for someone that does not have a ps3 but is looking to get one.

[xboxgamer999]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Aug 30 2007, 12:13 PM)

That is the whole point . It is not just a console. Sony should make this clearer.
The EE chip is no problem. There are very few games that don't run fine with the software emulation side.
 The 80gb will take over from the 60GB at the same price point. that was obvious from the minute they announced it.

 Appreciate the input Chancer, it's nice to know the emulation side of the ps2 on the PS3 is for the most part working as it should. You are right about Sony not making it clear that it's more then just a game console, but then again, isn't the 360 the same with respects to multi-media serving/streaming, without the HD-DVD drive of course.

I ask because, with all due respect, taking into consideration that at the moment I don't have an HD tv or HD ready a/v receiver, that you would think that they (sony) would take the fact  that people for the most part are undecided about HD or BLU-RAY disc format, that they would try to put an end to this stupid format war that's been long over due. Taking this into consideration and planning according to the way the formats are now starting to become more affordable on the hardware side of things, coming this holiday season with the 250 or less HD-DVD stand alone player and the possible 300 dollar Blu-ray player.

QUOTE(mercury187 @ Aug 30 2007, 12:59 PM)

whats an EE chip? And is it only in the 60 GB model? Please explain for someone that does not have a ps3 but is looking to get one.

EE stands for emotion engine chip which is found on the ps2 and some may argue that it's vidal to perfect ps2 emulation.

[d-range]

QUOTE(xboxgamer999 @ Aug 30 2007, 05:41 PM)

That's the only buff I got with the PS3( no more EE chips in newer PS3 models) and the $600 dollar rediculous price point, which is just BS to be frank.

I would probably almost buy one if I could get it for the equivalent of $600. And that's even while it sells for $500 in the US at the moment. Unfortunately, it's still priced €600 here which is like > $800.  

[bucko]

I just gonna have to wait till the 80GB model is released here, I want one at Xmas but if I buy a 60GB drive model then a week later the 80GB pack comes out I would be pretty annoyed.

I wish Sony would just settle on the hard drive size (120GB would be nice infact). But if I do get a 60GB model I would have to upgrade it to 120GB if Sony release a 80GB model.

[Chancer]

QUOTE(antiav @ Aug 30 2007, 05:51 PM)

No, it wasn't.

Anyway I hope Sony will start ramping up software emulation soon, it is priddy limited right now iirc.

It was to anyone that follows trends. i said it when this was first announced.
Your memory is off as regards software emulation as well. I have a huge collection of PS2 games and all play fine. In fact the list of BC is very good.

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I ask because, with all due respect, taking into consideration that at the moment I don't have an HD tv or HD ready a/v receiver, that you would think that they (sony) would take the fact that people for the most part are undecided about HD or BLU-RAY disc format, that they would try to put an end to this stupid format war that's been long over due. Taking this into consideration and planning according to the way the formats are now starting to become more affordable on the hardware side of things, coming this holiday season with the 250 or less HD-DVD stand alone player and the possible 300 dollar Blu-ray player.

 I think the problem is the way Sony have marketed the PS3. They did need to decide on either being very heavily biased towards being a games console or not. I think they have chosen not. If they were going towards games console they should have killed the PS2 and left out the Blu-Ray player. Perhaps used and add on later. This would have allowed a price point as a direct competitor to the 360 and an out and out games machine.
 I think the machine is designed as a good quality Blu-Ray player with Other Multimedia/wireless/ internet features built in. The advent of Home and the DVB add on further pushes it down that road. the games will come on stream in time. I think Sony should have made this strategy clearer to the consumer. When I bought mine I knew I had the 360 for games and viewed the PS3 as having a different role in my set up. I actually knew there would not be many games for a long while but that was a secondary concern.
I know a lot of people were hoping for an alternative to the 360 and maybe thought games would be the biggest side of the PS3 but up to now that has not been the case.
Viewed from a purely gaming stand point I can fully understand peoples disappointment at the price and at the titles available

[Chancer]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Aug 30 2007, 08:36 PM)

It was to anyone that follows trends. i said it when this was first announced.
Your memory is off as regards software emulation as well. I have a huge collection of PS2 games and all play fine. In fact the list of BC is very good.

 I think the problem is the way Sony have marketed the PS3. They did need to decide on either being very heavily biased towards being a games console or not. I think they have chosen not. If they were going towards games console they should have killed the PS2 and left out the Blu-Ray player. Perhaps used and add on later. This would have allowed a price point as a direct competitor to the 360 and an out and out games machine.
 I think the machine is designed as a good quality Blu-Ray player with Other Multimedia/wireless/ internet features built in. The advent of Home and the DVB add on further pushes it down that road. the games will come on stream in time. I think Sony should have made this strategy clearer to the consumer. When I bought mine I knew I had the 360 for games and viewed the PS3 as having a different role in my set up. I actually knew there would not be many games for a long while but that was a secondary concern.
I know a lot of people were hoping for an alternative to the 360 and maybe thought games would be the biggest side of the PS3 but up to now that has not been the case.
Viewed from a purely gaming stand point I can fully understand peoples disappointment at the price and at the titles available

QUOTE(d-range @ Aug 30 2007, 06:49 PM)

I would probably almost buy one if I could get it for the equivalent of $600. And that's even while it sells for $500 in the US at the moment. Unfortunately, it's still priced €600 here which is like > $800.  

Not sure where in Europe you reside but does the pricing follow any trend from other countries. I mean is it likely the price would come down if the UK took a price drop?
Pricing policies from companies do need sorting out across the various countries.

[BoNg420]

I still cant believe people will pay $100 more for a game and 20gb of space.

[Chancer]

The 360 is much more of a game focused console. No Hi Def Optical playback. Came as an afterthought and could be argued it was a response to Sony including Blu-Ray. If Hi-Def optical playback is of no concern or use I doubt MS would have brought in the option.
Sony are adding DVB with recording facilities into the equation. In deed more talk of this than games really.
I disagree about the price. The price is good for a Blu-ray player with extra features thrown in. Nor can you say this will be the fail point, until one or other format wins the format war. People who want a cheapish gaming machine should buy the 360, no doubt. People who want HI-Def Optical playback, integrated web browsing and wireless and are willing to buy for these features with an eye on games in the future should buy a PS3.
 Media streaming is not what sets any console apart these days.  XBMC was so good and is so cheap to set up with a hacked Xbox1 that it would be hard to sell a new console on that feature (Add DIVX support and and it all changes)It has become a feature we expect. I do believe companies responded to what was popular when the original Xbox was hacked.
 Fact is if you want the 360 to do exactly what the PS3 does with similar features then you have to spend the extra cash anyway.
Yes Sony could have trashed the BR player idea and made a cheaper gaming console but I don't think they were aiming for purely that market. They should have made this clear and should push the reasons for the price point more.

joey27. I would expect nothing less than the sort of viewpoint in the link from a group campaigning for HD-DVD. Scare tactics and blowing smoke. I am not worried and I have invested in BR

[xboxgamer999]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Aug 31 2007, 02:33 PM)

The 360 is much more of a game focused console. No Hi Def Optical playback. Came as an afterthought and could be argued it was a response to Sony including Blu-Ray. If Hi-Def optical playback is of no concern or use I doubt MS would have brought in the option.
Sony are adding DVB with recording facilities into the equation. In deed more talk of this than games really.
I disagree about the price. The price is good for a Blu-ray player with extra features thrown in. Nor can you say this will be the fail point, until one or other format wins the format war. People who want a cheapish gaming machine should buy the 360, no doubt. People who want HI-Def Optical playback, integrated web browsing and wireless and are willing to buy for these features with an eye on games in the future should buy a PS3.
 Media streaming is not what sets any console apart these days.  XBMC was so good and is so cheap to set up with a hacked Xbox1 that it would be hard to sell a new console on that feature (Add DIVX support and and it all changes)It has become a feature we expect. I do believe companies responded to what was popular when the original Xbox was hacked.
 Fact is if you want the 360 to do exactly what the PS3 does with similar features then you have to spend the extra cash anyway.
Yes Sony could have trashed the BR player idea and made a cheaper gaming console but I don't think they were aiming for purely that market. They should have made this clear and should push the reasons for the price point more.

joey27. I would expect nothing less than the sort of viewpoint in the link from a group campaigning for HD-DVD. Scare tactics and blowing smoke. I am not worried and I have invested in BR

I can't argue MS's decision on adding HD-DVD drive as an add-on, instead of including it in the 360, it's just how things turned out for us the consumers, which may or may not be an advantage, depends on who you talk to. DVB ability build-in for the PS3 may or may not be an excuse to keep or bump up the sticker price on the PS3, The idea is good in concept but who knows if it well be practical in real life, I say this because, when they announce something like this it usually means that you would have some sort of adaptor that would connect to either satalite tv or digit cable feeds which you could browse and view on the PS3, kinda like the deal that MS made with direct tv, where you would buy an adaptor and you could use it along with the direct tv receiver and satalite so you could watch satalite tv on the 360, I never heard what happened to that, this was back in 2006.


Only time well tell with regards to the DVB, as for internet browsing, I'am not worried about that, i'm sure it well happen once the 360 gets completely hacked or if MS decides to add it in their kernal updates. By wireless, I'm assuming you are referring to the internet connection,not controllers measinger kit. I know it's a hustle but I'm greatful to God that I don't have wireless network in my apartment, and even if I did, I wouldn't pay retail for the adaptor, I'd go on ebay for that or any accessory if need be necessary lol.

Maybe for now, Sony can get away with a price of 600 dollars, but i honestly doubt that to be the cause say, 6 or 12 months down the road, especially because this holiday their going to start cutting prices on both hd format players to appeal more to consumers. I guess it well come down to the games more then it would blu-ray movies for the vast majority who are planning on  getting a ps3.

It's a shame the xbox is under power, because it'd be nice to watch streamed hd moves on xbmc, other wise I couldn't care less if the ps3 and 360 have to deal with this ridicules hd format war.