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[SnackyCakes]

You can make the 'you just have to learn it' argument about anything that is considered hard.  Just about anything can be called easy once you've learned it.  How easy it is to learn would be the more important question and I find it hard to believe that a system dependent on parrallel processing is as easy/easier to learn than the 360.  Hell, even amateur developers can program for the 360 w/ XNA.

[Termina1]

From what the guy was saying it didn't sound like it was hard to learn it either...

[death trap]

I could be a brain surgeon if i spent the next ten years learning about brains.

Why do people make such stupid statements?  If developers are struggling to get to grips with ps3 development due to all the new stuff they have to learn their bound to say ps3 dev is harder.

360 - using well known programming languages and techniques  = easier development
PS3 - learning a new development system, having to rethink the way you create games = harder development

[Chancer]

QUOTE(death trap @ Aug 18 2007, 10:18 AM)

Why do people make such stupid statements?  If developers are struggling to get to grips with ps3 development due to all the new stuff they have to learn their bound to say ps3 dev is harder.

360 - using well known programming languages and techniques  = easier development
PS3 - learning a new development system, having to rethink the way you create games = harder development

 Did you read the post at all?
The team themselves are saying it is NO HARDER. I think I will listen to their statement rather than yours.
Are you suggesting we should never bring anything new to the market? Just because people have to learn something different?
Let's not bother improving consoles at all!! I mean designers will not have to use new ideas and techniques so it will be much better to stay stiil and never bring anything different to the market.
 It's getting boring hearing the same old horse shit about difficulty developing something because it is different.

[death trap]

If you read my post again you will notice that i never said that they shouldn't do new things because there hard.

all im saying, is that ps3 is bound to be harder because developers have to learn new stuff.  I never said one platform is better than the other and i never said just coz its more of a challenge it shouldn't be done.

As a moderator you should spend more time reading things instead of posting the first thing that comes into your head.

[throwingks]

So, the way I take what they are saying is, if you have been coding console games for a long time, it is easier to migrate to the 360. But, if you have no console coding experience at all, then both are the same difficulty.

That makes sense, but Microsoft notoriously aids in the learning process more/better than Sony does.

[Chancer]

QUOTE(death trap @ Aug 18 2007, 05:27 PM)

If you read my post again you will notice that i never said that they shouldn't do new things because there hard.

all im saying, is that ps3 is bound to be harder because developers have to learn new stuff.  I never said one platform is better than the other and i never said just coz its more of a challenge it shouldn't be done.

As a moderator you should spend more time reading things instead of posting the first thing that comes into your head.

 Oh I read the post clear enough thanks.
 Take another look yourself before you throw the old "As a moderator" shit at me again. Moderator has fuck all to do with it.  It's getting boring  hearing the same shit when a Mod replies or answers a post. I have as much right as you to argue a point without  you throwing that old chestnut into the post.
THE DEV TEAM SAID

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It's wrong to say it's harder to code on the PlayStation 3

YOU SAID

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their bound to say ps3 dev is harder.

 I said

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The team themselves are saying it is NO HARDER.

 Now which bit don't you understand? the Devs are not claiming it is harder. Yet your statement is based on the fact They are saying it is harder.
Read it before you say the first thing that comes into your head.

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I could be a brain surgeon if i spent the next ten years learning about brains.

I doubt it.

[blackchild1101]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Aug 18 2007, 07:04 PM)

Oh I read the post clear enough thanks.
 Take another look yourself before you throw the old "As a moderator" shit at me again. Moderator has fuck all to do with it.  It's getting boring  hearing the same shit when a Mod replies or answers a post. I have as much right as you to argue a point without  you throwing that old chestnut into the post.
THE DEV TEAM SAID

YOU SAID

 I said

 Now which bit don't you understand? the Devs are not claiming it is harder. Yet your statement is based on the fact They are saying it is harder.
Read it before you say the first thing that comes into your head.

I doubt it.

Thank you...

[Kamasutra318]

QUOTE(Giga_Death @ Aug 18 2007, 09:49 PM)

then they're also saying it is just as easy (as 360). Which is a complete lie of course. The proof in the pudding is in the ps3 bad looking multi plats, and iirc some devs said it was harder to develop for the ps3 before - which bought attention to the development difficulty issue.

They're lying? First of all, how a game looks or performs is not necessarily indicative of how difficult the development was. Second, the difficulty of development is subjective. One developer could say it is more difficult and another could say it is less difficult, and they could both be telling the truth. It depends on  experience and the way in which one goes about trying to formulate a solution to a problem.

[Chancer]

The Dev team for this news post and topic purpose are stating it is not harder. This is probably true in their case. Their statement is what my comments are based on and relevant to this topic and news post.
It's the old "we stick with what we are familiar with".
It may require some learning of different methods and obviously with that some time to become familiar with, but it certainly does not make it harder to do. Once Teams are very familiar with developing for the PS3 they may feel it is easier. quicker whatever. It's the same with anything when you are used to it.

[dvsone]

QUOTE(Chancer @ Aug 19 2007, 11:03 AM)

The Dev team for this news post and topic purpose are stating it is not harder. This is probably true in their case. Their statement is what my comments are based on and relevant to this topic and news post.
It's the old "we stick with what we are familiar with".
It may require some learning of different methods and obviously with that some time to become familiar with, but it certainly does not make it harder to do. Once Teams are very familiar with developing for the PS3 they may feel it is easier. quicker whatever. It's the same with anything when you are used to it.

Over time 360 development is going to get faster and easier also. From what is commonly heard from developers, it's obvious that MS is offering better tools, support and more a balanced system for developing games. Dev teams just need to throw more time and resources at the PS3 to deliver at the moment. I thought this stuff was common knowledge.

[m_hael]

depends entirely on your definition of "hard".

for most people it means a breaking point... that point when what you want to do becomes possible. How "hard" a process is depends on the amount of work required to reach the point you wish to reach.

Math is not hard once you know the theory and have applied it; a computer can do it. Learning the theory requires a LOT of time and effort and to solidify the theory you have to apply it to real issues. Learning the theory is thus an integral part of knowing Math and as such it becomes the building blocks for the generally accepted rule that "Math is hard".

I digress... the main point here is that ps3 requires knowledge & experience that most programmers do NOT have. Gaining that knowledge and experience requires time, time is short and fleeting and thus it can be said that "PS3 is hard"... it is not, it is merely different.

[Sweeet]

You've also go to remember that the 360's architecture is based on a high-end PC built just to play games. The PS3 on the other hand although built to do the same, does so in a very different way.

All the years experience creating games for the PC means the 360 has a natural head start.

[m_hael]

QUOTE(Sweeet @ Aug 21 2007, 07:25 AM)

You've also go to remember that the 360's architecture is based on a high-end PC built just to play games. The PS3 on the other hand although built to do the same, does so in a very different way.

All the years experience creating games for the PC means the 360 has a natural head start.

PC didn't have multi-core until VERY recently...

[incognegro]

so its harder to learn than the 360, not harder to develop for. whatever! the bottom line is its alot nicer to develop for the 360 than the ps3......now MOVE ON!