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[mlmadmax]

This is for real, come out with a good game dammit  

[incognegro]

as an owner of a psp, this feels all too familiar.

isn't vf5 coming out soon?

[Chigawaa]

QUOTE(incognegro @ Jan 15 2007, 07:25 PM)

as an owner of a psp, this feels all too familiar.

isn't vf5 coming out soon?

Yes, However it will also be released on Xbox 360 (most likely 3 - 6 months later) so VF5 does not really count as a title that should help Sony much.

[C o s m o]

It's appearing more and more like Sony has also finally found a price that is too high for the average consumer.  I thought M$ had done it with the $399 tag on the Premium 360, but with the proliferation of PS3s on store shelves, I don't know if they can makea  good-enough games to sell all the $500-600 consoles.  That is, unless Halo 3 comes out on the PS3 too

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(C o s m o @ Jan 15 2007, 02:52 PM)

It's appearing more and more like Sony has also finally found a price that is too high for the average consumer.  I thought M$ had done it with the $399 tag on the Premium 360, but with the proliferation of PS3s on store shelves, I don't know if they can makea  good-enough games to sell all the $500-600 consoles.  That is, unless Halo 3 comes out on the PS3 too

yeah and for all intents and purposes Halo 3 is released on February 20th when the beta codes ship with Crackdown... considering this is the post-launch dead-zone for the PS3 and Wii it comes at a truly horrible time for Sony.

... even if the Beta isn't available it will definitely move a lot of units from overly-eager Halo fans.

[Pheidias]

Hmm hasn't the 8 million halo fans already invested in a 360?

[grim_d]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Jan 16 2007, 06:17 AM)

Hmm hasn't the 8 million halo fans already invested in a 360?

both me and the poster above you (twisted) own xbox 360's and arent really halo fans.

your statement is rediculous.

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Jan 16 2007, 01:17 AM)

Hmm hasn't the 8 million halo fans already invested in a 360?

not really, most of the die hard halo fans wont buy the console until Halo 3 is available, deciding to wait because the longer they wait the higher probably there is of a console price drop, not to mention waiting helps work out all of the launch bugs so they can play their precious without incident.

I know quite a few people (IRL) who don't care about any game but Halo and they refuse to buy a 360 until it's released.

A couple of them broke down when Gears of War was released but most of them are still waiting for Halo, and most of them are also considering buying a 360 just for the beta release.

It's a similar situation to the PS3 with MGS, Tekken, and FF die-hards waiting for their favorite title to be released before they drop the cash... Halo doesn't sell consoles until you can actually, you know... buy it.

Shocking, I know but the people who own the 360 now aren't all halo fans, and as grim_d pointed out above, neither him nor I are Halo fans... neither of us even own a copy of Halo nor ever have.

[incognegro]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Jan 16 2007, 07:17 AM)

Hmm hasn't the 8 million halo fans already invested in a 360?

Most halo fans can't afford a 360 yet so they wait until the game is actually out (hoping there would be a price drop around that time or before) and then invest in a 360. Some are just waiting on a price drop entirely cause we all know they game isn't going anywhere. I know of those ppl

[Deftech]

Twisted and Incognegro couldnt be more correct. Most are waiting for a price drop and want the system for that 1 game, the beta release will get them to move sooner though

Add me to the camp of "Not owning Halo"

Anyone that thinks 360 sales are high currently just because its home to Halo is clueless. Watch what happens next winter

[Pheidias]

Incognegro are you saying all halo lovers are unemployed rednecks or something..The 360 has been out for what 14 months, and they still haven't been able to save up 299$
And then will we also see the software attach rate of the 360 plummet when halo hits, since they can't afford to buy another game for 1-2 years or so

So if no Halo fans have bought 360s who is it that actually buys them. Since all shooters are best sellers I'd have thought they were all halo fans satisfying the lack of halo with other shooters.

Also wouldn't the halo fans opt for getting a 360 just to play halo2 in HD?

I'd also be interested in estimates for extra consoles sold when the beta hits, how many actually even gets in the beta? And with all those prerequisites doesn't that make it impossible to actually buy a 360 when the beta hits and actually get in? There is only 3300 people allowed in to the eu beta not including crackdown beta people.

I'm guessing maybe 100k extra consoles sold so we will see maybe 350k sold in February in the US.

Sheesh alot of halo rumblings in this post....

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Jan 16 2007, 11:06 AM)

So if no Halo fans have bought 360s who is it that actually buys them. Since all shooters are best sellers I'd have thought they were all halo fans satisfying the lack of halo with other shooters.

Mostly a misconception... Shooters are good on the Xbox platform, but that's mostly just because by comparison they generally suck on other consoles.

Personally the two biggest drawing points for me were DOA4 and PGR3, the same franchises that sold me the Xbox 1, and the Dreamcast before that.

Sure COD2 and GoW are popular games on the 360 but so are DOA4, Dead Rising, Oblivion, PGR3, etc.

There are plenty of popular non-shooters as well as un popular shooters. The Xbox=shooters stigma is probably one of the most inaccurate. while I do play them on occasion they're never a console buying decision for me and usually just some other game that looks interesting.

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Jan 16 2007, 11:06 AM)

Also wouldn't the halo fans opt for getting a 360 just to play halo2 in HD?

when the console came out the emulation had a lot to be desired, not to mention a large portion of the market still doesn't have have HD, contrary to what most early adopters would lead you to believe. In general Halo fans are not early adopters, they stick with what they've got and don't move until something new becomes available.

[spinr34]

my friend is waiting for halo 3 to come out. he will prolly end up getting a 360 when crackdown comes out so he can play the halo 3 beta. if he can't get into the beta though he'll be waiting until halo 3 retail comes out. also, halo 3 is all he'll play. so not all of the halo fans have bought an xbox yet.

[Mr Invader]

QUOTE(twistedsymphony @ Jan 16 2007, 06:50 AM)

I know quite a few people (IRL) who don't care about any game but Halo and they refuse to buy a 360 until it's released.

Annoying isn't it? With so many good games on the 360, you'd think they'd find some reason to buy it.

As for myself, I love Halo1/2. I think that they are very well done and wonderful games. And when i first buy Halo3 i will probably play it for a month or two before going to something else. However, i do not see where people will play it for 2 solid years without even owning another game. It's ridiculous. "Halo 2 noobs" will always talk trash in games even if they are losing by 20+ points. Halo 2 is a great game, but its fanbase is one of the worst ever, which makes the online play less enjoyable. When i first got a 360 and was playing PDZ, i was certainly surprised with how nice and polite people were when we were playing, which made me enjoy the game. Not so much in Halo 2, even people that were half my size decided to start talking trash to me... at a LAN party when they were 10 feet away. I hate "Halo 2 noobs".

I'm riled up now.

[incognegro]

Pheidas, what ppl don't realise is that casual gamers dont "save" to buy a game system. Atleast not the majority. If your don't make alot of money and save $300 just for game system, when that could be allocated for more important things in life then your not a causal gamer. Your Hardcore. Casual gamers(and most halo fans are) like to go in the store and buy the first thing they can afford, thats why nintendo started at that price point. The hardcore gamer is not a priority to them, you can tell just by the design and the type of games coming to the system.

Twisted was right about those ppl that won't play anything but halo. Thats the very definition of "casual" and I know some ppl who are like that.