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[PupaBoy]

It is too bad that Sony only added 256 MB of RAM to the PS3. While Microsoft added 512 MB of RAM to the 360.  What the heck was Sony thinking? Why spend all that $$ developing the Cell processor and then go cheap on the RAM? It is like putting Lance Armstrong on a one speed bike in the Tour De France.  I think we would see a lot bigger difference between the 360 and the PS3 if Sony had only added 1GB of RAM to the PS3. It is really to bad that we will not be able to see the true potential of what Sonys' Cell processor can do...

[garver]

Sony cant afford it it cost microsoft 1 billion dollars for the extra ram

[m_hael]

QUOTE(PupaBoy @ Nov 21 2006, 11:24 AM)

It is too bad that Sony only added 256 MB of RAM to the PS3. While Microsoft added 512 MB of RAM to the 360.  What the heck was Sony thinking? Why spend all that $$ developing the Cell processor and then go cheap on the RAM? It is like putting Lance Armstrong on a one speed bike in the Tour De France.  I think we would see a lot bigger difference between the 360 and the PS3 if Sony had only added 1GB of RAM to the PS3. It is really to bad that we will not be able to see the true potential of what Sonys' Cell processor can do...

I think you may be a little confused. BOTH systems have 512MB.

[Pheidias]

m_hael so you have a answer to why they didin't go with 720p on thps p8 for the x360. Would be nice to know why especially since you have been saying how much greater the x360 is and easier to develop for, or at least insinuate. Did your engine come out a bit to much for the machine to handle?

[m_hael]

you know thats a question i cannot answer so why bother asking?

[thax]

Tony Hawk project 8 is a launch title for the PS3, like just about all launch titles there is an enormous amount of pressure to get the game out on time, even if the game isn't fully optimized.

Microsoft and the development studio were the following position:
1. Delay Project 8 on the x360 until the product was fully optimized.
2. Ship Project 8 at 720p but with some framerate problems.
3. Lower the resolution on Project 8 so that the game runs smoothly.

Microsoft would not want a delay on a cross platform release on the x360 so that it gives an exclusive time period to the title on the PS3 launch.

This means a choice between framerate problems or lower resolution. The game simply looks and plays better with a smooth framerate when compared to a higher resolution.

Although it was said that PGR3 was an exception to the rule because it was a launch game, the cross platform launch titles also got this one time priveledge due to the PS3 launch constraints.

[silentbob343]

QUOTE(thax @ Nov 21 2006, 07:44 PM)

Tony Hawk project 8 is a launch title for the PS3, like just about all launch titles there is an enormous amount of pressure to get the game out on time, even if the game isn't fully optimized.

Microsoft and the development studio were the following position:
1. Delay Project 8 on the x360 until the product was fully optimized.
2. Ship Project 8 at 720p but with some framerate problems.
3. Lower the resolution on Project 8 so that the game runs smoothly.

Microsoft would not want a delay on a cross platform release on the x360 so that it gives an exclusive time period to the title on the PS3 launch.

This means a choice between framerate problems or lower resolution. The game simply looks and plays better with a smooth framerate when compared to a higher resolution.

Although it was said that PGR3 was an exception to the rule because it was a launch game, the cross platform launch titles also got this one time priveledge due to the PS3 launch constraints.

Good theory, but still speculation on our part.

[m_hael]

QUOTE(thax @ Nov 21 2006, 03:44 PM)

Microsoft and the development studio were the following position:

that would be me and my immediate boss... and no.. your guess is not correct... not even close.

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(m_hael @ Nov 21 2006, 07:00 PM)

that would be me and my immediate boss... and no.. your guess is not correct... not even close.

  Interesting, I would have made the same guess as thax...

I'm guessing it's a whole lot more complicated and deals with more factors then an outside observer could gather to reach the real underlying decision behind it.

[openxdkman]

Ok m_hael, I understand. Thanks for any "fix-up" reply at least.

I will comment the three points people think are false.

"xbox 360  - no immediate backward compatibility"
I have no hard disk and I don't plan to have one and I don't plan to pay online service. Since BC is achieved through a XBOX1 game specific emulator downloaded from online service, I will never have backward compatibility. I really think BC would work on a PS3 without hard disk or any online service access (because PS2 hardware exists in PS3. It's true they plan to remove it and have emulators running on PS3 CPU later).

"xbox 360 - the 3 CPU cores may not be able to cooperate in same RAM area"
Unless someone creates 3 threads working on same RAM area and each thread reports a different core ID, I will stick to the logical consequence of 3 cores using 3 different on-the-fly encryption keys : the official dev tools probably do not allow official developpers to really know on which core their thread is running. There is maybe a mechanism that prevents threads accessing same RAM area from running on separate cores.
(however xbox 360 GPU is better than PS3 GPU, and you may obtain 100% of its power -thus unsoldering around it because of heat- even if you only obtain 50% of just 1 core. the issue here is just a "fishy" theoretical CPU power calculation and advertising... it's just annoying to think it may be false in reality)

"xbox 360 - expensive online service"
1 act is cheap ok. But then comes addiction and bye bye money... So parents will consider it expensive after a while.

I must say I'm happy both consoles are so different. Complementarity really appears here...
Easy to program one, hard to program one. Expensive interpreted 3D homebrew/Free 2D hombrew. Etc...
They will share market, I'm sure.
And most of you will finally end with both consoles in hands because of exclusives!

About "PS3 + easy to tune octo-core CPU", I withdraw it. But with a lots of time, I guess it can be well tuned.
(otherwise a jewel like "Shadow of the Colossus" would never have appeared on PS2 whereas a similar jewel is still to be found on XBOX1... But I admit only Sony engineers had time and motivation to code it)

[m_hael]

QUOTE(openxdkman @ Nov 21 2006, 10:54 PM)

"xbox 360  - no immediate backward compatibility"
I really think BC would work on a PS3 without hard disk or any online service access (because PS2 hardware exists in PS3. It's true they plan to remove it and have emulators running on PS3 CPU later).

"xbox 360 - the 3 CPU cores may not be able to cooperate in same RAM area"
 the official dev tools probably do not allow official developpers to really know on which core their thread is running.

both wrong, very wrong.

[silentbob343]

why did you quote him 3 times?

[Pheidias]

m_hael does your nda prevent you from saying wich resolution thps and cod run on the ps3 and x360. Or is activision just keeping shut and hoping that people will be satisfied with that?

[incognegro]

Are pheidas and silentbob the same person? I mean their posts are always right beside each other

[m_hael]

I'm not allowed to comment on any tech developed within ATVI or covered by first party NDA and not made public by said first party or other third party.