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[bigphill911]

I played one at my local Best Buy and didn't think it was any better. Then again I didn't get to play Resistance. Also we have to remember that these are the first stages of games for PS3 I would think they will get better in time. Who knows though I'm happy with my 360 for now.

[Johnny Johnson]

From what I've seen so far, no.  Though this is the first set of games we are seeing.  We'll have a better benchmark this time next year.

[bigbubba7373]

its not even close to as good as the 360,the 360s games when it came out last year where much better i have alot of buddys who are sony fanboys and they dont care much for the ps3

[Hyper_Eye]

QUOTE(VVaI2LoCk @ Nov 20 2006, 04:37 PM)

So,
I havent seen the PS3 yet but I've talked to some people at Blockbuster and there still in shock at how much better the PS3 is in the graphics department.

Is the PS3 that much better? The guys I talked to are saying it's like comparing A Sega Dream Cast to Xbox 360 now that's a major statement and even though the DreamCast was beautiful the 360 to me is just awsome. Is the PS3 that much better? Anyone compared xbox360 next to ps3 with the same game? I'm curious to hear feedback.

This is fanboyism at it's worst... where consumers that don't know any better can hear it. These claims are rediculous. Do some research and you will find that the systems are realatively equal with both having some strong points over the other. Now that the 360 has an option for 1080p there really isn't anything that is going to make PS3 look better graphically other then hdmi and even that isn't going to make a very noticeable difference. These are simple ramblings by idiots. The difference between the Dreamcast and the 360 is a huge hardware leap and 480i vs. 720p, 1080i, 1080p. What difference between the 360 and the PS3 comes even close to equalling that?

[Pheidias]

He is reffering to difference from the ps2-ps3 ? That atleast seems to be what the fanboys where talking about. Not x360 vs ps3.

[Hyper_Eye]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 21 2006, 12:14 AM)

He is reffering to difference from the ps2-ps3 ? That atleast seems to be what the fanboys where talking about. Not x360 vs ps3.

Read the topic title.

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(VVaI2LoCk @ Nov 20 2006, 03:37 PM)

So,
I havent seen the PS3 yet but I've talked to some people at Blockbuster and there still in shock at how much better the PS3 is in the graphics department.

Is the PS3 that much better? The guys I talked to are saying it's like comparing A Sega Dream Cast to Xbox 360 now that's a major statement and even though the DreamCast was beautiful the 360 to me is just awsome. Is the PS3 that much better? Anyone compared xbox360 next to ps3 with the same game? I'm curious to hear feedback.

Hope on over to gamespot.com and check out all the muti-platform game reviews (games that are on both consoles).  The 360 is scoring higher on every single one, with the exception of NBZ2K7, where they were both scored the same.  In every instance the ps3 had framerate problems and many with worse textures.  The ps3 is a good console, but not any better and argueably worse then the 360 when it comes to games.  Sony and their sheep would have you beleive that it is the second coming, but in all actuality it is an over priced and over polished turd; a lot of needless technology that cannot do shit.

[Heet]

And if your getting your advice from Blockbuster employees you may as well go and ask a Best Buy employee what hyperthreading is.

[Pheidias]

Actually if you check up on the facts concerning wii, you'll see it uses 8x the power ps3 and x360 uses at standby. When playing the ps3 is ~200 x360 is ~160 and wii ~120?. Not sure about the wii while playing couldn't find the article I read it in. did find another that stated 17w when in manu and while playing though, wich would be better but the standby power is just horrendous.

[m_hael]

the ones highlighted are BS

QUOTE(openxdkman @ Nov 21 2006, 01:42 AM)

It's really hard to say which one is better...

xbox 360
- heavy on-the-fly encryption around 3 CPU cores making them hard to cooperate on one optimized task
- no immediate backward compatibility

- exactly what about a unified system makes cooperating difficult? Personally I've never had an issue with the system and I've been designing and programming multi-threaded systems for it for over 18months.

- erm... it has the SAME BC methods as the ps3, software patched.

QUOTE(openxdkman @ Nov 21 2006, 01:42 AM)

ps3
+ the 8 CPU cores seem to be easy to tune for cooperation on a single optimized task
+ correct immediate backward compatibility

- cell is not easy to synchronize across ppu->spu, period. Again this is based on over a year of actually writing code to do exactly that. Where exactly are you getting your info?

- BC for ps3 has exactly the same issues 360 had/has. Some games work, others do not. The difference is some games for ps2 will NEVER work, most games for xbox will eventually work on 360 and will be patched based on demand.

[KAGE360]

QUOTE(m_hael @ Nov 21 2006, 08:57 AM)

Where exactly are you getting your info?

maybe he got it from blockbuster  

[openxdkman]

m_hael... I see you are professional developer in game industry then... Great!

Thanks for fixing up the mistakes in my post.

Can you give details please?

In the hacking section of this site (post related to efuses) we got info about the on-the-fly encryption of every data coming in or out of cpu cores with a key that is different in each core and reset (recreated) at will in each core.

So I've assumed that if a push buffer was to be prepared then updated somewhere in memory, one core (the one who wrote it) could work on it but not the two others. Can you comment this theory? I'll be happy to hear it's totally crap, but then I don't see how it can work...

About the PS3 octo-core, I've read on our favorite site homepage, that a professional developer said which CPU and GPU was the best. Ok for GPU. But for CPU he rather liked xbox360CPU, not because it was more powerful but because it was easier to program. As developper you need everything that helps to make it in time before the deadline, so I understand. But now, let's say you have plenty of time... The difference between XBOX1 and PS2 shows that more dma routes and co-processors helped to do great things on PS2 even if processors frequencies were lower than on XBOX1. Don't you think that, with time, and courage... some developpers may really take adventage of 1CPU+7SPU? Once again, I will be happy to hear it's crap, I'm not a fanboy of either side. I just want to understand how it works really.

One more precise question for you... Is your final code running as real code or is somehow interpreted by a virtualized processor? That would mean you can't really be sure you have pushed the system to 100% of its power because of all the efforts put to secure security of console...

Thank you a lots for any details you can give.

[m_hael]

you asked a lot of questions that i can't answer as they delve into specifics that are not public and thus under NDA.

[Mr Invader]

QUOTE(openxdkman @ Nov 21 2006, 03:42 AM)

- expensive online

Do you really consider it expensive to have $50 charged to your credit card annually to recieve quality online gaming, downloadable demos and videos, and patches to fix games and to update the system?

That $50 is what will make xbox live better than Playstation network platform.

[John Deadly]

QUOTE(VVaI2LoCk @ Nov 20 2006, 05:37 PM)

So,
I havent seen the PS3 yet but I've talked to some people at Blockbuster and there still in shock at how much better the PS3 is in the graphics department.

Is the PS3 that much better? The guys I talked to are saying it's like comparing A Sega Dream Cast to Xbox 360 now that's a major statement and even though the DreamCast was beautiful the 360 to me is just awsome. Is the PS3 that much better? Anyone compared xbox360 next to ps3 with the same game? I'm curious to hear feedback.

come on dude, look at the reviews for the PS3 games so far, their all getting 8 out of 10 in the graphics department. thats not exactly big time graphical dominance.