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[incognegro]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 4 2006, 12:54 PM)

I don't know why its better just becouse you pay 50$ for it. MS could easily make the service free, but wont.

I'm not sure how many of the games comes with the 48 hour trial, but they all should, But I still maintain its a hassle being a 6 step thing to go online.

Incognegro acctually the game per console ratio gets lower and lower if you get 3 games then 50 bucks is quite a lot, you could even get another new game for that amount.

Have you ever heard of the phrase "you get what you pay for"? If you think MS could "easily" make it free then im obviously dealing with an uninformed individual. Please do some research before you make statements like these.

In terms the games vs. Live argument, you have a point but guess what? Thats what we call "choice". You could either skip buying one of those games and pay for live or skip live and pay for the game. Getting live has a better long term value than buying a game; while buy the game has a better short term value. Choice, thats what being a consumer is all about. You got to decide which one is more important to you. That game isn't going anywhere, the price is probably gonna go down the next time you see it. Live isn't going anywhere either but the price is probably not gonna go down. So make your choice.

[Pheidias]

So you are all really saying that for someone that maybe wants to play one online game(for 30min) a week its better to pay 50$. I'm not really sure how kai really works but if sony only manages to be like that then I'll be very happy with its service.

And don't use a "get what you pay for" quote in regards to anything dealing with MS, unless you are taking a piss on em.

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 4 2006, 05:48 AM)

What I mean with x360 online service being a hassle is that before I can even play anything online I acctually need to pay money and get a count, this sucks very very hard.

Oh is that what you meant? It's rather hard to walk away with the impression when that's not what you said.

Lets think about this for a minute, The Xbox 360 accounts are nothing more then profiles that have a credit card attached to them. You'd have to setup a profile whether you go online or not, and you have to attach a credit card to it if you want to buy anything in the market place.

The PS3 and the Wii both have profile systems, and they both have a marketplace... meaning... GUESS WHAT it's the same exact amount of work regardless of whether or not you're paying to go online.
you're really doing well with this assumption business aren't you.

I stand by statement that "only the ps3 and wii gives me this ability" is still non-sensical BULL SHIT.

having to pay $0 an having to pay $50 doesn't change the amount of hassle when you need to create an account and provide credit card information for both.

I can understand not wanting to pay $50 for your online service, and that's fine, but that's not what we're arguing here so don't go run and hide under another subject because the one you started isn't working out for you. Remember this thread is about INTERFACE AND FEATURES not about the online service being a pay or non pay service and not about my personal life.

[incognegro]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 4 2006, 02:57 PM)

And don't use a "get what you pay for" quote in regards to anything dealing with MS, unless you are taking a piss on em.

and you wonder why ppl call you biased and label you a fanboy. With comments like that, deftech better watch out. I have the service, im happy with it and I think its worth it. 4 million others agree.

Moving along with life...

If you only play 30 mins online for the week, then you wouldnt miss it if you didnt have it. Then don't pay the 50 bucks. Your demographic doesn't apply to xbox live. You can just use live for other things like demo and trailers. Thats what silver is about.

Besides if live isn't that important to you then why do u even bother with this argument at all? You wouldn't lose anything by just letting it be.

[Pheidias]

Wait do I need a credit card to play online... I hope sonys or wiis service won't demand that.

So I'm a fanboy of every other company for disliking MS and the way they have handled their company and its users for the last 15 years.

This is getting rediculus.


Don't forget to zune up

Zune

[incognegro]

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So I'm a fanboy of every other company for disliking MS and the way they have handled their company and its users for the last 15 years.

yes cause sony and nintendo are saints and MS are Eviiiiiiiil....lol

So you can make a statement like that and not be labelled bias yet I can make a statement about wii/ps3 thats negative and thehen labelled "sep" (remember that?)

anyways, you will be you no matter how much logic I through at you.

moving on....

[Foe-hammer]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 4 2006, 08:10 AM)

This is getting rediculus.

Yes, very ridiculous.

[nickthegreat]

QUOTE(silentbob343 @ Nov 4 2006, 10:02 AM)

Notice how I said "in part" in my original statement.  True the DC browser sucked, but I really hated running 25ft of phone line everytime I wanted to go online as well.  I only went on-line a couple times to play games with my dreamcast and the lag was enough for me to quit early everytime.  Don't know what games you played or who your ISP was, but dreamcast online was never fun for me, in fact I would call it horseshit.  I still stand by my assesment that connectivity was nowhere near where it is today and that access to the internet is much more pervasive and desired feature by consumers.  The PS3 web browser looks neat.  Capable of having 6 windows and navigating through them via tiles that show you the displayed page.

The PSP browser works for me, but leaves a lot to be desired.  I think most of the shortcomings of PSP browser can be addressed on the PS3, i.e. larger display and two analog sticks.  Or better yet BT keyboard and mouse.

haha, i remember that cord.......(you could have had it constantly plugged in......) but yeah the lag for me wasn't that bad - but i do live about 5ft from my local exchange........... but regardless - online play was definately acceptable for me, but the browser was not. i can see the ps3 browser 'perhaps' being ok, but not for the majority of users who:
a) do not have a large HDtv
b have a laptop
c) have no table or similar to place a keyboard and mouse upon
d) have their ps3 in the same room as their desktop

Im not picking on the ps3, the same will apply to the 360 when (hopefully 'if') MS releases one.

QUOTE(silentbob343 @ Nov 4 2006, 10:02 AM)

I love how a feature that person doesn't care for is "marketing bull" and useless?  At least give it a try first hand, I mean you guys rail on Pheidias for doing that with the 360, passing judgement without first hand experience.  I can agree with him, Pheidias, on some of the online features the 360 has and the PS3 lacks I don't care, but you don't see me trying to turn a value added feature on the 360 in to a negative.  Just because you don't like it or won't use it doesn't mean that everybody feels that way.  I don't know how much of it was based on the PSP browser, but in all likelyhood it didn't add to the cost of the PS3.  So why not have another feature?  I honestly couldn't see owning a 360 or PS3 without an HD display.  Not to say that others feel that way, but that's me.  My brother uses the PSP web browser fairly often in his own home, I use linksboks on the xbox.  I think a browser is a good feature to have....you don't and nothing I say will change that.

you misunderstand me mate - i hate 1080p; not ps3 1080p, just 1080p. Its very logical why i dislike it: Its forcing a resolution, and by extension a type of tv, down your throat. I don't want to have my games look worse if i play them on a tv capable of 1080i and not p. I don't want to see 1080p 360 games or ps3 games - id rather they didn't take a graphical hit to achieve this 'standard'.

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 4 2006, 11:48 AM)

A that boozed induced post really sparked some comments. What I mean with x360 online service being a hassle is that before I can even play anything online I acctually need to pay money and get a count, this sucks very very hard.

this is why pheidias is 'railed'. a hassle? i think you have issues mate. and how will the ps3 be easier? oh yes, thats right, ill have to make new accounts PER GAME. wicked.

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 4 2006, 12:54 PM)

I don't know why its better just becouse you pay 50$ for it. MS could easily make the service free, but wont.

sony could make the ps3 free.......... but won't...... your mum could make her services free, but she won't. seriously, did you think this was a valid point?

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 4 2006, 12:54 PM)

I'm not sure how many of the games comes with the 48 hour trial, but they all should, But I still maintain its a hassle being a 6 step thing to go online.

1 month trial. you have no clue.

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 4 2006, 04:10 PM)

Wait do I need a credit card to play online... I hope sonys or wiis service won't demand that.

So I'm a fanboy of every other company for disliking MS and the way they have handled their company and its users for the last 15 years.

This is getting rediculus.
Don't forget to zune up

Zune

no. and besides - why would it be such a bastard to get one?

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btw, does anyone remember who posted a link a while back about 'dancing monkeys' when they wanted to divert attention away from  the fact that they were completely wrong? (cough 'zune' cough)

[Xombe]

This is a moderated forum, not some fanboy board.  Not Sony fanboys', not MS fanboys'.

Offenders have been dealt with.  Others, some of whom have had slack in the past, need to remember this key fact: not a flaming board.

If you cannot simply ignore/disagree, then at least don't resort to name calling.

Bear in mind, twistedsymphony is the level headed, tolerant one here.  I bring the sword.  Clear?

[m_hael]

you forgot to growl at the end... wheres the bared teeth smiley ?

[yourM0M]

the whole reason this topic was started was about the ps3 having "better" features.....well why havent these "better" features taken off in the past?? hell msn tv is flat out garbage unless your 90 years old or 500 lbs and dont move from in front of your tv (or cant afford a pc i guess) but if you own a console you will probably be neither, and all of us xbox1'rs have had the oppurtunity of using a web browser on our xbox and i for one hate it i even have a wireless kb/mouse. even the linux support both features just arent practical and havent been ever....i wanna know how many ppl that have htpc's even surf the web or multi task, i see them using it for home theater features.....and then the last thing the photo slideshow OMG thats just retared they even threw that in, i bet it was built upon the media card reader, any standard dvd-player nowadays has a slideshow feature but the only ppl i know that use it are realitves during the holidays, guess we will all see in 2 weeks.....

Thank you sir Xombe