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[Pheidias]

To bad the x360 dash won't find you a girlfriend as well

I use msn or rather icq to communicate with friends, makes it pretty easy with a keyboard and all.

I really don't care for how console manages online functions, All I want is the ability to join a casual online game now and then without any hassle, only the ps3 and wii gives me this ability.

But I guess we differ on this point. I still wanting the single player experience, you wanting the online one.

Your review almost makes me wonder if you'd be one of those people that dl and watch ts and tc pirated movies solely for the bragging rights in school.

And yes the comparison between the ps3 and x360 won't really begin until nov 11th.

[incognegro]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 3 2006, 09:52 PM)

To bad the x360 dash won't find you a girlfriend as well

I use msn or rather icq to communicate with friends, makes it pretty easy with a keyboard and all.

I really don't care for how console manages online functions, All I want is the ability to join a casual online game now and then without any hassle, only the ps3 and wii gives me this ability.

But I guess we differ on this point. I still wanting the single player experience, you wanting the online one.

Your review almost makes me wonder if you'd be one of those people that dl and watch ts and tc pirated movies solely for the bragging rights in school.

And yes the comparison between the ps3 and x360 won't really begin until nov 11th.

  simple minded

[silentbob343]

Also like to add
The 360 gets updates to enable new features and fix bugs, the PSP get updates to do the same, I'm sure we'll see PS3 updates for increased functionality.

[Foe-hammer]

Keep dreaming if you think sony will add support for MS's codec.

[silentbob343]

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Nov 3 2006, 11:59 PM)

Keep dreaming if you think sony will add support for MS's codec.

I don't want them to.  I don't use any of MS's codec for my media.  My comment about upgrades for increased functionality was in response to Twisted's list.
My other response was to incognegro who I believe was trying to say; 360 used WMV and the PS3 would use MP4 and thus neither system had an advantage as a far as media compatability.  I then posted a link to a thread which contains the formats the PS3 will support, which are.

QUOTE

Sony is clearly intent on making the PS3 the all-in-one hub for your home entertainment. A new list of media formats supported by the system right out of the box includes a variety of hard and digital formats, and should satisfy the needs of just about everyone.

* Hard Media: BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, Super Audio CD
* VIDEO: MPEG-1, MPEG-2 (PS,TS), H.264/MEPG-4 AVC, MPEG-4 SP
* MUSIC: ATRAC (.oma .msa .aa3), AAC (.3gp .mp4), MP3 (.mp3), WAV (.wav)
* IMAGES: JPEG, GIF, PNG, TIFF, BMP

Thus the PS3 does have an advantage in terms of media compatability which was what Pheidias was getting at in the post incognegro responded to.

QUOTE(yourM0M @ Nov 4 2006, 12:00 AM)

ooooo a web browser on a console....ya thats a new one.....and o sooooo popular, lmao at least sony could make a bluetooth keyboard with a touchpad mouse on it come on  

neither console plays divx either so who cares about media playback in the end we all have computers for that....and consoles for gaming  

It is a neat feature to have esp. if your computer room is seperate from your TV/entertainment center.  I'm sure the 360 will get one in a future update.  The dreamcast web browser flopped in part due to lack of broadband and home network penetration, things have changed since then.  If you want a nice BT keyboard and mouse MS makes a nice one
http://www.microsoft...ls.aspx?pid=080

[incognegro]

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Nov 4 2006, 04:59 AM)

Keep dreaming if you think sony will add support for MS's codec.

yea thats what I was thinking...I mean, ppl don't realise that VC-1 is a variation of the wmv9 codec...its like h264 and wmv love child or something.

anyways, sony is so afraid of VC-1 its not funny.

silentbob, thanx for clearing that up. Guess I was wrong. Although your point about the updates, comes into play. Judging by the whining in the community its just a matter of time before we see more codecs supported. The good thing is that its obvious that MS is listening so if you scream loud enough they will hear ya.

All my music vids are in wmv anyways, my gametrailers too, so im happy

By the way i loved the DC web browser, downloading mini games for my VMU was genius. Snake was taking over my life at the time

2000 posts bitches!!!!

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 3 2006, 03:52 PM)

To bad the x360 dash won't find you a girlfriend as well

I really have no need for it to find me a girlfriend because I already have one of 4 years... we live together and she has an Xbox Live Gold account too. If you paid attention you'd know that because I talk about her all the time.  

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 3 2006, 03:52 PM)

I use msn or rather icq to communicate with friends, makes it pretty easy with a keyboard and all.

I don't need a whole PC sitting next to me in my home theater room to communicate because I have a wireless keyboard connected to my Xbox 360 with witch to text message, alternatively I can talk to my friends without having to type at all by speaking (what a novel idea) with little more then 2 button pushs. I don't understand how the PS3 NOT having a feature is somehow a benefit because you're using a PC. I can use a PC to message too, fortunately I have a laptop that sits on the coffee table in my home theater room, most people aren't as fortunate, and I would imagine that most people cramped for space would share a monitor between their PC and console making text messaging on a PC difficult. Also why would you even bother using ANY of the PS3's media capabilities if you always had a PC sitting right there, one would think the media capabilities of a PC would trump that of any console. The same question could be asked about a web browser.

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 3 2006, 03:52 PM)

I really don't care for how console manages online functions, All I want is the ability to join a casual online game now and then without any hassle, only the ps3 and wii gives me this ability.

Logic would tell you that if the console manages the online functions then it means less work for the user, if the console doesn't manage online functions then it's more work for the user. EVERY online capable Xbox 360 game includes what's called "Quick Match" meaning from the main menu you simply select this option and the console automatically finds people of your skill level, and language and starts a game... ONE BUTTON PUSH. this is patented feature of the Xbox Live system, Much like the "TrueSkill" ranking algorithm that finds people of your skill and experience for your to play against without you having to spend time finding people that match your abilities on your own. ONLINE FEATURES MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE USER I know this might be a hard conscept to grasp but all those fancy online capabilities the MS camp talks about means that all you have to do is push a button on the controller and start playing online, in most cases it's even easier then starting an offline game.

Your argument is completely illogical, neither Sony nor Nintendo have announced any such features on their own services. "Match making" is a nebulous term without getting into the details. "only the ps3 and wii gives me this ability" is just non-sensical BULL SHIT.  If you'd ever spent more then 10 seconds using the online features of the Xbox 360 you'd know that there are more online features in place for the casual online gamer then any other platform available PERIOD.

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 3 2006, 03:52 PM)

But I guess we differ on this point. I still wanting the single player experience, you wanting the online one.

I also prefer the single player experience to the online experience but I was responding to your inquiry "What kind of features would that be?" in response to the fact that MS is using the guide and dashboard for features that benifit games as a priority over media features that Sony seems to be prioritizes ahead of game enhancing features. If you bothered to even pay attention to the games I typically reference as being some of my favorites you'd notice that many of them are offline only, though I do enjoy the occasional casual online match, particularly with old college friends who now live nowhere near me.

Heck you could have simply clicked the gamercard to the left of my posts and seen a complete list of every game I've ever played on the 360... but I guess you'd just rather make assumptions that best fit your claims then resorting to making a single mouse click and somehow proving that one of the features you don't care about might actually be of use.

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 3 2006, 03:52 PM)

Your review almost makes me wonder if you'd be one of those people that dl and watch ts and tc pirated movies solely for the bragging rights in school.

I graduated highschool some six years ago, I don't pirate movies, I've got a collection of over 350 DVDs Don't believe me: here is a picture of one of my 4 DVD shelves taken last year. You can browse my collection online too.

I have no tolerance for pirates  

Maybe you were talking about college (though I doubt it since you seem to be trying to belittle me)? If that's the case then I graduated over two years ago, with two bachelors degrees from a fairly prestigious university. One of my degrees is in Science Technology and Society which means I'm actually qualified to make comments on the societal effects, usefulness, pitfalls, consumer interpretation, and appropriation of technology past present and future. My published senior thesis for this degree was on consumer product marketing techniques, consentrating specifically on those aimed towards "Generation Y" or "echo-boomers" (which means if you're under the age of 24... YOU).

What are your qualifications?

You lost a lot of points with me on that post, personal attacks, no matter how vague are not the way into the good graces of a moderator.

[Heretic-666]

QUOTE(Foe-hammer @ Nov 4 2006, 04:59 AM)

Keep dreaming if you think sony will add support for MS's codec.

They added wma support for the psp in a firmware upgrade so yeah... ok then

[dvsone]

QUOTE(thax @ Nov 3 2006, 07:28 PM)

I think that if Sony spent the same amount of time and resources they did doing a web browser they could have maybe implemented some of the features I mentioned instead.

Features that Sony should not have wasted time on because they do not help gaming:
- Linux O/S support
- Web Browser
- Fancy picture viewer
- Fancy movie viewer

If they left out these functions out how could the PS3 define itself from the 360? I do think from a marketing point of view that they need to implement as many different features that will make the console as unique as possible. They will never catch up to the online capabilities of the 360, might as well try some different features that look impressive on the show room floor.

[silentbob343]

QUOTE(nickthegreat @ Nov 4 2006, 03:01 AM)

and default difficulty level........... not amazingly useful, but nice - shows someones put some thought in.
no, no it didn't. it flopped because it was pure horse shit. i had a DC keyboard and mouse and it was goddam awful. if the 'lack of broadband and home network penetration' was the cause of shiteness, then why was online gameplay fun?
The browser was just plain bad. And if you don't have an HDTV, browsing in your livingroom on the ps3 will barely be better. Its just marketing bull again, just like 1080p native games.........

edit: heres a nice little gamesindustry article on features
http://gamesindustry...e.php?aid=20792

Notice how I said "in part" in my original statement.  True the DC browser sucked, but I really hated running 25ft of phone line everytime I wanted to go online as well.  I only went on-line a couple times to play games with my dreamcast and the lag was enough for me to quit early everytime.  Don't know what games you played or who your ISP was, but dreamcast online was never fun for me, in fact I would call it horseshit.  I still stand by my assesment that connectivity was nowhere near where it is today and that access to the internet is much more pervasive and desired feature by consumers.  The PS3 web browser looks neat.  Capable of having 6 windows and navigating through them via tiles that show you the displayed page.

The PSP browser works for me, but leaves a lot to be desired.  I think most of the shortcomings of PSP browser can be addressed on the PS3, i.e. larger display and two analog sticks.  Or better yet BT keyboard and mouse.

I love how a feature that person doesn't care for is "marketing bull" and useless?  At least give it a try first hand, I mean you guys rail on Pheidias for doing that with the 360, passing judgement without first hand experience.  I can agree with him, Pheidias, on some of the online features the 360 has and the PS3 lacks I don't care, but you don't see me trying to turn a value added feature on the 360 in to a negative.  Just because you don't like it or won't use it doesn't mean that everybody feels that way.  I don't know how much of it was based on the PSP browser, but in all likelyhood it didn't add to the cost of the PS3.  So why not have another feature?  I honestly couldn't see owning a 360 or PS3 without an HD display.  Not to say that others feel that way, but that's me.  My brother uses the PSP web browser fairly often in his own home, I use linksboks on the xbox.  I think a browser is a good feature to have....you don't and nothing I say will change that.

[Pheidias]

A that boozed induced post really sparked some comments. What I mean with x360 online service being a hassle is that before I can even play anything online I acctually need to pay money and get a count, this sucks very very hard.

Oh and the bragging rights statment steemed from your review and your thought on that achievements and that the ability to bragg and compare with your friends was the best part about the x360.

[dvsone]

Actually, getting connected online on the 360 is so easy. Only an r'tard couldn't work it. MS made is so simple. Free gold for a month, and on special events so people can try it out the premium services. Money goes towards servers and upgrades. It's got 4 million people using it, how can you possibly be dissing this service? Have you even tried it?

[incognegro]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 4 2006, 11:48 AM)

A that boozed induced post really sparked some comments. What I mean with x360 online service being a hassle is that before I can even play anything online I acctually need to pay money and get a count, this sucks very very hard.

Oh and the bragging rights statment steemed from your review and your thought on that achievements and that the ability to bragg and compare with your friends was the best part about the x360.

I dont know why creating an account and paying $50 a year is a hassle. You only have to create it once and pay $50 ( ppl pay way more money on games per year, so its chump change) and you dont have to worry about it again.

[Pheidias]

I don't know why its better just becouse you pay 50$ for it. MS could easily make the service free, but wont.

I'm not sure how many of the games comes with the 48 hour trial, but they all should, But I still maintain its a hassle being a 6 step thing to go online.

Incognegro acctually the game per console ratio gets lower and lower if you get 3 games then 50 bucks is quite a lot, you could even get another new game for that amount.

[jwin767]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 4 2006, 11:54 AM)

I don't know why its better just becouse you pay 50$ for it. MS could easily make the service free, but wont.

I'm not sure how many of the games comes with the 48 hour trial, but they all should, But I still maintain its a hassle being a 6 step thing to go online.
 

Ok Ok we will see when ever you get you Ps3, you come back and complain that there are too many cheaters because no one looks after the servers and watches what is happening in games on their console.... hang on a sec, sony dont even look after their online service the offloaded that on to someone else because it would take up too much time updating the table backgrounds for you to review the 2 pictures of your cat. we pay for LIVE so we know when we go online we have almost no chance of coming up against cheaters that have more then a 2 day lifespan, we pay for the safety in knowledge

I can almost easily say that you will have to register you name on the ps3's online service in more then 3 steps atleast lol, what will we have

1) choose a name
2) address details (for 3rd party spam mail)
3) personal details (likes, dislikes, e-mail address .... for spam purposes)
4) Card details (to confirm age, for use when you have to pay for content)
5) A final check details screen.

I cant garentee you anything because i dont work for sony but you are gunna have alot of spam come through every possible hole into your house. who do you think pays for the "free" service? ey? ADVERTISERS, SPONSERS etc etc and what they get in return are you mailing and personal details.

anyway back to relaxed defcon 1 mode......... nice threater BTW twisted.