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[dvsone]

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"The 360 and the PS3 are equal in power in my eyes. Maybe the PS3 has more processing power. The 360 has more available memory. It's pretty much a net, net. The public perception of the PS3 was that it was much more powerful. To developers, they look even," he said.

http://www.ps3scene....-1162342871.php

It's pretty shocking to here that Sony hasn't made huge ground on the Xbox 360 in terms of power. The Cell processor seemed like a risky choice. I hear a lot of people saying PS3 will pull away performance wise from the Xbox 360 towards the end of the generation. The usual reason given is the true power of the Cell processor will be unlocked as time goes on. By the sounds of Denis Dyack's comments it seems that all that extra power is a waste. Maybe the PS3 will need that RAM upgrade Ken was talking about a while back.  

[m_hael]

I'm utterly shocked by this revelation

 

[Pheidias]

If it wasn't for m_hael I'd say he is full of shit. When someone works on a exclusive title that ussualy means they now squat about the other system, but will do whatever it takes to convince people that the system they are working with is the best one.

Sometimes I even get the feeling the ps3 is alot weaker.

[kidkinetix]

Bah, Dyack's opinion would be a little more accepted and heard if Too Human didn't have such a poor showing at E3.  But i do believe they had their arms turned to show it in its early state.

Anyways.. it will probably take three years to expose any gaps... if there are any.

[bigjimmy]

Once again, its simply a case of sony hyping up the PS3, and then severly underdelivering. They did it with the PS2, and everyone knows how much of a piece of crap it turned out to be. Jeez, 6 months ago people seriously beleived the PS3 would be at least twice as powerful as the 360. Sony, when will they learn   .

Lol I remeber reading an article in my fav games mag when the PS2 was in development. It said that the PS2 was so powerful, that it was a threat to national security because of its potenital power to decode top-secret data   (That was a srious article too, im not making it up).

[incognegro]

QUOTE(Pheidias @ Nov 1 2006, 06:37 AM)

If it wasn't for m_hael I'd say he is full of shit. When someone works on a exclusive title that ussualy means they now squat about the other system, but will do whatever it takes to convince people that the system they are working with is the best one.

Sometimes I even get the feeling the ps3 is alot weaker.

lol why so quick to denounce it? I mean, its been said so many times and its been documented on so many sites for over a year now.

[incognegro]

Come to think of it, isn't this similar to the Snes/Genesis comparisons. I know the Genesis had a faster CPU but the Snes had any edge in sound and other crap I dont remember.

P.S. Genesis does what NINTENDON'T!!!!

       Nintendo is what GENESISN'T!!!!

[Pheidias]

That was seriously the best ever ad war.

But isn't still the ps3 able to do twice the amount of calculations the x360 can. Isn't that where the ps3 is much better comes from.

I'm guessing though that 100mil units sold debunks anyone claiming the ps2 to be a piece of crap.

[m_hael]

QUOTE(thax @ Nov 1 2006, 08:28 AM)

even though the x360 GPU is in theory 2% more powerful

cough... "bullshit"   cough.

think you missed a few zero's there.

[KAGE360]

QUOTE(m_hael @ Nov 1 2006, 12:09 PM)

cough... "bullshit"   cough.

think you missed a few zero's there.

 

love the guy's witty sense of humor

so it's .0002% more powerful?    

[silentbob343]

QUOTE(nickthegreat @ Nov 1 2006, 07:44 AM)

+1 to sony's bullshit there. i mean ffs, fighter jets' onboard computers are similar to 386s (so ive heard) in terms of ram & power...........

Was Sony advertising that?  I remember reading an article saying it wouldn't be exported to certain countries, etc. for that reason, but I don't recall Sony pushing that.  If they did I can't say I blame them as it is a good piece of publicity that most people would say "wow that's powerful".  The 8088 is powerful enough for simple guidance on most missles or so says a Dr.  Robert G. Brown.

You are correct about the systems in most aircraft, but you have to look at when those aircraft were developed.  F-14 began development in late 60s and was in service in the 70s.  F-15 same deal, developed late 60s introduced in to service in the 70s.  Of course they do get upgrades as technology improves with better radar and guidance systems, etc.

I had a chance to hear a systems engineer for the F-22 speak a couple times and it is a remarkable aircraft, but it's processing capability is probably out-dated as well, being developed in the 80s and the first flight occuring in 1990.  Although I'm sure the systems have been upgraded as well for the final production version.

[bigjimmy]

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love the guy's witty sense of humor

so it's .0002% more powerful?  

No It might stil be 2%, but someone forgot to put the minus sign in front of the 2.

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thatll be the chip being used to guide a nuclear warhead if i remember correctly

Hehe, I remember hearing about that aswell lol

Anyhoo, back to the topic, The PS3 imo will either be just as powerful than the 360 if not less.

[KAGE360]

QUOTE(bigjimmy @ Nov 1 2006, 02:22 PM)

No It might stil be 2%, but someone forgot to put the minus sign in front of the 2.

huh?  

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Nov 1 2006, 02:35 PM)

QUOTE(bigjimmy @ Nov 1 2006, 02:22 PM)

No It might stil be 2%, but someone forgot to put the minus sign in front of the 2.

huh?  

yeah I was confused as well, no offense but apparently bigjimmy isn't much of a math person  

1000 is not the same as -1... this should be obvious

[nickthegreat]

QUOTE(silentbob343 @ Nov 1 2006, 07:29 PM)

Was Sony advertising that?  I remember reading an article saying it wouldn't be exported to certain countries, etc. for that reason, but I don't recall Sony pushing that.  If they did I can't say I blame them as it is a good piece of publicity that most people would say "wow that's powerful".  The 8088 is powerful enough for simple guidance on most missles or so says a Dr.  Robert G. Brown.

not officially, but like you said, its good advertising.......... so where is it most likely to have come from?  

QUOTE(silentbob343 @ Nov 1 2006, 07:29 PM)

You are correct about the systems in most aircraft, but you have to look at when those aircraft were developed.  F-14 began development in late 60s and was in service in the 70s.  F-15 same deal, developed late 60s introduced in to service in the 70s.  Of course they do get upgrades as technology improves with better radar and guidance systems, etc.

I had a chance to hear a systems engineer for the F-22 speak a couple times and it is a remarkable aircraft, but it's processing capability is probably out-dated as well, being developed in the 80s and the first flight occuring in 1990.  Although I'm sure the systems have been upgraded as well for the final production version.

nice info. still, if an 'upgraded' 386 is capable for those planes, im sure standard pc chips back in the build up to the emotion engine could handle the guidance of a rocket.

i thought the point about the 386 was that a desktop has such a load of shitly coded software on it that it needs an outrageously powerful (relative to what is actually being achieved) chip with ever increasing clock speeds (as software through time gets more and more sloppy). where as the software on a fighter jet is efficiently coded. (you can tell im not technically minded   )