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[cr4ck3rj4ck]

I'm expecting to see some pretty catastrophic hardware failures with the PS3, most likely with the disk drive.

Overheating may be a serious issue as well, considering you have the huge amount of heat coming from the PS3 components, in conjuction with the heat coming from the EE=GS chip that will be included on the motherboard (for PS2 games).

[grim_d]

QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 21 2006, 03:52 PM)

tread lightly with that one...

some will say the wii is nothing but a GC with a new, different controller.

Just pointing that out, go back to arguing/debating  

yeah i blurted that out really, i really meant that the ps3 and 360 arent doing anything innovative, its just more powerful hardware, not that i have a problem with that, whereas the wii brings something new to the scene, like the DS did.

I mean i know the wii isnt much more powerful than the gc but after seeing some of the games on it they look VERY impressive, especially for the hardware. Plus if its just a jacked up GC then the developers can develop to their full potential for it.

[cr4ck3rj4ck]

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Plus if its just a jacked up GC then the developers can develop to their full potential for it.

This is definitely true.

The DS is extremely successful, especially compared to the PSP which has way more horsepower.

[Kira Yamoto]

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Act like a gamer? ok, gamers need money to buy games, and i cant justify the money for a ps3, when i can have a 360 AND a wii for that price, especially when being forced to get blu-ray when i dont even want it.

Even if you have a 360 and a Wii at the same price, you still have to buy the MC for the 360 and buy games for each.  That totals more than what the PS3 cost.  If you choose to buy the 360 Premium instead of the core, then you are paying subtotal 49.99 MORE than a PS3 and that's without games.  It's possible but you end up with no games, and theres no point in that because your main objective overall was to get both to play the games.

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All im saying is that Sony are fucking everyone around and i dont see how you can deny it, i mean when editors of official playstation mags and the editor of IGN ps3 say bad things about it what does that show you?

I don't deny it.  I just look forward to the games.  Btw, MS and Nintendo fuck people around way worse than before the PS3 details was announced.  They overhyped their shit so badly that people just had to see what they had up their sleeve at E3's.  They said some pretty nasty things about each other, which frankly makes them no better than Sony are.  What posters here don't do, is belittle MS and Nintendo for doing it too, yet continue to focus the negativity on Sony.  About the only person that I have seen that have not taken flak from any of the companies for their hype and propaganda is twistedsymphony when he posted that rant.

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When hardcore sony fans are changing to Nintendo/MS because sony aint giving them what they want what does that say to you?

Aint' giving us what we want? What kind of drug are you on?  The only percieved "negative" that people see is the price.  As far as the total package goes, it's mostly in agreement that what's in there is pretty powerful hardware.  Hardware that's pricey sure, but this is what fans have been wanting since PS2.  Since PS2 we've had the most weakest console out of the three, and gamers have been wanting something that would last a lot longer yet give us better experiences.  They gave all of that to us, but with all that power and technology, comes a price.

I post on all sorts of forums, and the PS3 ones that I do post on, fans are in agreement that we well deserve a powerful console along with the library of games that Sony brand has.

I'm pretty sure that the price isn't too much of a deterrant.  It clearly seperates who is willing to pay for gaming and who isnt.  Gaming was never a cheap hobby and it shouldn't be anywhere in the near future as technology grows and becomes more expensive.  I'd like you to preach about price and cost to people who's had the most powerful PC rig every generation and every new part that comes out.  Believe it or not, there are many people who do upgrade w/ expensive parts.  Of course there's still the clear split of whos willing to shell out and whos not willing, but that just means that if you want the best experience you have to pay for it.  This strategy is also employed by MS as the Premium offers the better deal and experience at a 100 dollar more cost.

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like ive said before there is nothing about the ps3 that is interesting me FROM A GAMERS point of view, mainly because every bloody screenshot is pre-rendered.

Dude, ANYBODY can say that about any screenshot including 360.  Hell I think that a lot of the "bling" screenshots of GeoW was from a prerender.  You look at the actual game footage and that's not how it looks like.  Bottom line is that if you really wanted to see some in-game footage you could have, all it takes is a little research and it showing that you didnt do it.

From a real gamers point of view, PS3 is set to deliver what it has been doing since PS1, offer us beloved franchises and continue to develop new IP for us to get hooked on.  To say that PS3 doesn't offer that, means you've either got no experience with PS brand, or you denounce everything you've ever played since PS1.

[twistedsymphony]

QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Sep 21 2006, 06:46 AM)

...Now back on topic, PS3 does indeed have some worthwhile launch games to play.  People are too quick to say that there are no impressive launch titles when barely a handful have even been officially announced as a launch title.  To add to that even further, there's no official list of games that are coming out at launch....

I think you said it best right there...

The OP's question was how people felt about the FEATURES that the PS3 offered... based on the fact that the only thing left to discuss are the games I think it's pretty clear that on a feature by feature basis the consoles are fairly close to an equilibrium.

So what about the games? Well we don't even know for sure what games will be coming out. For me personally I will NEVER buy a console unless I know what games are available for it at the time of purchase... that's just straight up common sense to me. We knew which games were going to launch with the 360, Nintendo has released an official list of 27 launch titles for the Wii but all we have on the PS3 is best guesses.

Even the games you listed are just assumptions based on how far we thing the games are in development. We don't know what games will be out at launch, we don't know what games might become cross platform. You can SPECULATE all you want and point to prior history but we have no ideas what the contracts look like behind closed doors or what publishers might decide to change their minds on down the road.

We're pretty clear Kojima prefers the Sony hardware but who's to say the publishers at Konami don't want to see it on different hardware? The same goes to the people at Capcom, they've demonstrated that even a breach of contract isn't enough for them to push their games cross-platform if they see a monetary benefit out of it. If the PS3 fails to deliver a large install base (either due to production issues from manufacturing/distribution problems or sales issues due to the high price or consumer apathy/frustration) with a high attach rate then who's to say the decision makers at Capcom, Konami, or Namco wont just stand up and say "developers be damned the game is going cross-platform"

Back to the original question... meaning games asside... what does the PS3 offer feature wise that can't be had on the 360 now that there is 1080p support, a cheap ($170) HD-DVD add on, and HDMI?

[grim_d]

im done arguing but whats the MC and why do i have to buy it, and if i need it why have i been missing out for a year?

and 360 premium + a game + wii (with wii sports) + seperate game = £550

ps3 = £550

im a bum of a student so i want the most bang for my buck

it is here anyway.

[Kira Yamoto]

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Back to the original question... meaning games asside... what does the PS3 offer feature wise that can't be had on the 360 now that there is 1080p support, a cheap ($170) HD-DVD add on, and HDMI?

Before I get to the features, let me just say that I think you know pretty damn well that 1080p support is basically just there to be there.  Many TV's still don't support 1080p over component and it'll be awhile till it does.  Until then, HDDVD this November is going to be 720p and 1080i.  The only option left is Component > HDMI and that's pretty expensive.

PS3 Features:
thanks be to ps3forums for the TGS thread
-Location Free Streaming for Audio/Video
-PSP interface with PS3, with possiblity to display PS3 video to PSP via Location Free, if Dev's choose to do something like that
-Linux OS Out of Box
-Backwards Compatiability for PS1 and PS2 including the ability to upscale to 720p and also the ability to downscale high-def content to 720p/1080i.  In addition with the ability to upscale PS1 and 2 games to 720p, its also able to display them in Progressive instead of interlaced.
-Transfer Save files between internet users
-Built-in Blu-Ray movie support
-Standard DVD support
-Tilt-Sensor built in controller
-Swappable 20GB/60GB HDD
-HDMI 1.3, which the features for that are located here:
http://www.hdmi.org/...pr_20060622.asp
-Bluetooth spec for controllers
-Wi-fi 802.11 for 60GB model
-Memory card ports for 60gb model
-Free Online (Basic features at least, pay content such as downloads of Music/Movies and games and specific services such as MMO's are not)

Communication/Community:
Voice/Video chat
Messaging
Lobby/Matchmaking
Score/Ranking
Friend list/Avatar
Game data upload/download

Commerce:
Shop (accessible from inside games)
Content Download
Micro Payment
Subscription
Entitlement (user access rights) management

Account:
User Registration
Login ID/Handling of name issues

[thepissedoffman]

QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Sep 21 2006, 12:06 PM)

Before I get to the features, let me just say that I think you know pretty damn well that 1080p support is basically just there to be there.  Many TV's still don't support 1080p over component and it'll be awhile till it does.  Until then, HDDVD this November is going to be 720p and 1080i.  The only option left is Component > HDMI and that's pretty expensive.

PS3 Features:
thanks be to ps3forums for the TGS thread
-Location Free Streaming for Audio/Video
-PSP interface with PS3, with possiblity to display PS3 video to PSP via Location Free, if Dev's choose to do something like that
-Linux OS Out of Box
-Backwards Compatiability for PS1 and PS2 including the ability to upscale to 720p and also the ability to downscale high-def content to 720p/1080i.  In addition with the ability to upscale PS1 and 2 games to 720p, its also able to display them in Progressive instead of interlaced.
-Transfer Save files between internet users
-Built-in Blu-Ray movie support
-Standard DVD support
-Tilt-Sensor built in controller
-Swappable 20GB/60GB HDD
-HDMI 1.3, which the features for that are located here:
http://www.hdmi.org/...pr_20060622.asp
-Bluetooth spec for controllers
-Wi-fi 802.11 for 60GB model
-Memory card ports for 60gb model
-Free Online (Basic features at least, pay content such as downloads of Music/Movies and games and specific services such as MMO's are not)

Communication/Community:
Voice/Video chat
Messaging
Lobby/Matchmaking
Score/Ranking
Friend list/Avatar
Game data upload/download

Commerce:
Shop (accessible from inside games)
Content Download
Micro Payment
Subscription
Entitlement (user access rights) management

Account:
User Registration
Login ID/Handling of name issues

Quoted so that once the PS3 launches I can create another list that shows what was not included at launch. If you think that everything on that list will be included at launch I have a bridge for sale I think you might like.

QUOTE(KAGE360 @ Sep 21 2006, 10:57 AM)

bioshock is not coming to the ps3

According to a few different site it is.

http://www.1up.com/d...rch?st=Bioshock
http://www.gamespot....1...amp;x=0&y=0

[twistedsymphony]

Lets look at this on an item by item basis

-Location Free Streaming for Audio/Video
The 360 supports this, the Wii does not. PS3 has wi-fi out of the box, the 360 requires an adapter... I'll trade a-la carte over built in for features like that you might dissagree but it's a matter of personal preference and with availble adapters both can do this

PS3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 0 points


-PSP interface with PS3, with possiblity to display PS3 video to PSP via Location Free, if Dev's choose to do something like that
The Xbox 360 can communicate with the PSP as it can with any mass-storage device. I have a friend who plugs their PSP into my 360 whenever he comes over to game... The Wii doesn't support this feature... the PS3 has the edge of doing bi-directional video as well...  so unless there is some whiz bang MS update point to PS3 The Wii offers similar connectivity with the DS but for functions other then media... if we look at this as compatability with portable consoles the Wii and PS3 reach a draw, MS misses out for not being in that market.

PS3: 1 point
360: 0 points
Wii: 1 points

-Linux OS Out of Box
It's an interesting gesture, it's not clear how open the Linux environemnt will really be but the biggest reason for this being a benifit is homebrew software. The Xbox 360 has the very powerful XNA express availble now and the Wii will have the Virtual Console... so assuming Linux is open (if it's not it's useless) this is a draw across the board

PS3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 1 point

-Backwards Compatiability for PS1 and PS2 including the ability to upscale to 720p and also the ability to downscale high-def content to 720p/1080i. In addition with the ability to upscale PS1 and 2 games to 720p, its also able to display them in Progressive instead of interlaced.
The Xbox 360 offers BC with Xbox 1 games, as well as upscalling of those games... the Wii offers BC with every previous Nintendo console ever... You can't fault a company for having a shorter history. and all three consoles push the games to their highest supported image... MS will be able to upscale all the way to 1080p and Nintendo has the largest catalog availble and best compatability (because it also supports legacy periferials). If you were to choose 1 it would be Nitty but in terms of just offering BC it's closer to a draw across the board (becides BC is only usefull if you own and still play a lot of games from the previous console

PS3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 1 point

-Transfer Save files between internet users
Not sure how this is implimented, you can certainly do this using one of the Transfer Kits on the 360 (availble at all big-box retailers) The Wii will be able to do this as well since all save data is stored on SD media and can be traded the same way any PC file can.

PS3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 1 point

-Built-in Blu-Ray movie support
The 360 will have the HD-DVD player, again it's an a-la carte vs built in preferencial difference. Wii does not support it though

PS3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 0 points

-Standard DVD support
All three consoles support this, the Wii requires an adapter but it still suports it

PS3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 1 point

-Tilt-Sensor built in controller
This one is obvious... Wii and PS3 both support this

PS3: 1 point
360: 0 points
Wii: 1 point

-Swappable 20GB/60GB HDD
The 360 has swapabile hard drives, wii does not, the PS3 might have the 60GB option as an edge but there's a distinct possiblity that the 360 will have larger sizes availble this holiday as well. again both of them offer this feature

PS3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 0 points

-HDMI 1.3, which the features for that are located here: http://www.hdmi.org/...pr_20060622.asp
The 360 will have an appropriate adapter availble this holiday, the wii does not support it

PS3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 0 points

-Bluetooth spec for controllers
This is basically just wireless, does it really matter what protocol it uses? Arguably Blue Tooth for gaming controllers is pushing it due to it's signal latency. But as long as the controllers are wireless and work it shouldn't matter.

PS3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 1 point

-Wi-fi 802.11 for 60GB model
All three consoles offer this as either an option or built in.

PS3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 1 point

-Memory card ports for 60gb model
All three consoles have memory card/unit options

Ps3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 1 point

-Free Online (Basic features at least, pay content such as downloads of Music/Movies and games and specific services such as MMO's are not)
All three consoles offer a free level of online service that provide offers matching at least the above mentioned features (downloads, music/movies, and games)

PS3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 1 point

-Communication/Community:Voice/Video chat, Messaging, Lobby/Matchmaking, Score/Ranking, Friend List/Avatar, Game data upload/download
The 360 offers all of this and the Wii will suposidly as well

PS3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 1 point

-Commerce: Shop (accessible from inside games), Content Download, Micro Payment, Subscription, Entitlement (user access rights) management
The 360 offers all of this and the Wii will suposidly as well

PS3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 1 point

-Account: User Registration, Login ID/Handling of name issues
The 360 offers all of this and the Wii will suposidly as well

PS3: 1 point
360: 1 point
Wii: 1 point

So ...

Features offered on the PS3 without other console equivalents:
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Features offered on the PS3 without Xbox 360 equivalents:
-Tilt-Sensor built in controller
-PSP interface with PS3 (portable console interfaceing)

Features offered on the PS3 without Wii equivalents:
-HDMI 1.3
-Swappable 20GB/60GB HDD
-Built-in Blu-Ray movie support
-Location Free Streaming for Audio/Video

Of course points wise we can't add them because this was a straight list of PS3 features... there are other features offered on the other consoles that the PS3 does not have alternatives for such as

Wii
-Positional controller sensor (in addition to motion control)
-Audio controller feedback
-Rumble controller feedback
-Controller attachment options (for low cost custom controllers)
-Weather
-Web Browser

and the 360
-Standard controller settings (set your prefered Racing, FPS or action controlls in your profile and all games will use them)
-Streaming applications (in addition to audio and video)
-Custom game soundtracks
-Rumble controller feedback (like the wii)
-periferials can also be used on a Windows PC (Controllers, Wifi adapter, web-cam, etc.)


So for the most part the three consoles are farily equivalent in terms of features each with consentration in different areas and the differences between similar features comes down to personal preference.

So again.. it looks like the biggest difference will be the games... and we don't know for sure what the PS3 will be offering for games or even how many will be offered this holiday.

[saunders73]

@ metal gear solid not coming to 360, i found something interesting. although this is by no way proof that it is coming but mgs4

[grim_d]

i saw that a while ago, pretty cool