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[bucko]

Well buying a console to me has always been about the games. Precisely why I don't have a 360 yet, only two games I like the look of are PGR3 and Oblivion, I don't want to spend £280 (I want Premium) on a 360 and only play Arcade games on it. The PS3 has lots of launch titles and some of them look really good considering there launch titles.

Don't get me wrong I love Xbox and Xbox 360, I just think anyone that buys a console for 1080p or whatever isn't really looking at the whole picture.

Ok the price is a fair argument but it's like I'm actually going to buy a PS2 Slim to play F1 games because the PS3 wont be out till March 07 in UK and in a few years time the PS3 will be cheap as chips. I'm hoping to get a 360 around March 07 when games like Forza 2, GTA come out and when Halo 3 is more on the radar.

So to me the PS3 is a great console, good games but to expensive initially so I'm just waiting out.

[grim_d]

bucko its clear your into racing games.

if so then a 360 and test drive unlimited is an experience i cannot describe.

if anything its worth having a 360 for if you only have PGR3, its a peice of mastery that im still playing (since launch) or i would if someone hadnt abused my disc  

If your into RPGs then yeah oblvivion is really good and enchanted arms is a strong competitor, theres 4 games rght there that make buying a 360 worth it.

ok call me a fanboy, i dont mind.

In you saying the PS3 has some interesting launch titles, i fully agree, motorstorm looks amazing, however its about time sony showed us some actual gameplay dont you think? As far as ive seen all sony have been getting good at is making smoke screens and putting up mirrors.

Sony has gone beyond the point of no return and its only the hardcore fans that are going to buy this kit, theres not one of my mates that is even considering buying a PS3 over a wii/360 and they all had PS1/2's.

I remember years ago me and one of my family friends used to argue for hours and hours about what was better, sony or MS, i mean obviously i was on MS's sidem and even hes getting a 360 in the next few weeks.

Dont get me wrong, i have a ps2, but only because i blagged it for free, but i cant remember the last time i played it and i only have 10 or so games for it, mainly consisting of resident evil/silent hill and a few rpg's, with capcom and konami branching out beyond playstation and the other consoles getting a shot at good RPG's, personally i have no benefit to owning a ps3, especialy not for that disgusting price tag.

all in all i want to see some ACTUAL gameplay ACCTUALLY being played, i want to see a spec list thats REAL without any lies, i want to see sony stop pissing around their fans and do something for them because if they dont they are going to lose them all.

Sonys lost the battle this year, of course theyr still going to sell millions and millions, but its going to be nothing like the ps2, sorry sony, move over.

[twistedsymphony]

Honestly these recent announcements didn't change anything... regardless of the media features offered by the PS3 I wasn't planning on ever using it for that, so in my eyes it was all just a big waste of money and keeping me from buying one at launch.

My home theater isn't setup for HDMI, it's not setup for 1080p and I've got close to 350 DVDs in my collection (I'm a big movie fan), While I do intend to replace a few of them with a next gen video format I'm not even close to deciding which one will get my support, I'm not buying an HD-DVD add on, and even if I bought a PS3 I still wouldn't be buying any Blu-Ray discs.

The only thing MS's recent announcements have changed is that if I do decide to support HD-DVD as opposed to Blu-Ray buying the Add-on Drive for the 360 will be a viable option.

$400 was a hard pill to swallow when I bought the 360 even with 10+ first wave games I really liked. I was glad they kept HD-DVD out of it and kept the Wi-Fi adapter separate, those were features I didn't need and they would have only pushed the price of the product out of my reach. Sony is doing just that, sure it's nice that they include everything but I'm not keen on spending $100s extra for features I don't need. To me it's like a Fee if you want to play. The console you want is only $300 but you have to pay this $200-$300 fee on top of that if you want to get the console.

That's just how I look at it. MS's announcements took the wind out of many Sony sails but it didn't change my opinion of the situation on iota.

[Kira Yamoto]

I found Condemned rather bland and boring.  CoD2 on the other hand, is amazing.  There's a slew of new titles that are coming out for 360 that are nice.  There's Lost Planet, Lost Odyssey, Infinite Undiscovery, Gears of War, and Blue Dragon just to name a few.  Although these games won't be out for awhile yet.  I'll still get a 360 because it already has some games I'd already like to play that warrants a purchase.

Now back on topic, PS3 does indeed have some worthwhile launch games to play.  People are too quick to say that there are no impressive launch titles when barely a handful have even been officially announced as a launch title.  To add to that even further, there's no official list of games that are coming out at launch.

Well lets start with the games.  Resistance, obviously.  Motorstorm, FEAR, Armored Core 4, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Untold Legends, Call of Duty 3, Ridge Racer 7.  That's not the complete launch list, but even that list is pretty impressive.  I'm a huge RPG fan, so Marvel UA and Untold Legends will be greatly appreciated.  I'm also a FPS fan, but having lacked the hardware to play the games properly, thus looking forward to those titles listed.

Aside from the launch titles, some heavy noteables that are coming within the 1st year or so, are Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid 4, Unreal 2k7, FFXIII/Versus XIII, Bioshock, RE5, Coded Arms Assault, Virtua Fighter 5, Tekken 6, and Heavenly Sword.  There's also the future GT game that Polyphony is working on.  With such a list of confirmed (and awesome looking/playing) games, how could that not be enough?  I understand that the price is pretty steep, but once these games start rolling out, people will start shutting their mouths.

[grim_d]

QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Sep 21 2006, 11:46 AM)

Well lets start with the games.  Resistance, obviously.  Motorstorm, FEAR, Armored Core 4, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Untold Legends, Call of Duty 3, Ridge Racer 7.  That's not the complete launch list, but even that list is pretty impressive.  I'm a huge RPG fan, so Marvel UA and Untold Legends will be greatly appreciated.  I'm also a FPS fan, but having lacked the hardware to play the games properly, thus looking forward to those titles listed.

Aside from the launch titles, some heavy noteables that are coming within the 1st year or so, are Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid 4, Unreal 2k7, FFXIII/Versus XIII, Bioshock, RE5, Coded Arms Assault, Virtua Fighter 5, Tekken 6, and Heavenly Sword.  There's also the future GT game that Polyphony is working on.  With such a list of confirmed (and awesome looking/playing) games, how could that not be enough?  I understand that the price is pretty steep, but once these games start rolling out, people will start shutting their mouths.

ALOT of those games are coming to 360. and forza IS better than gran turismo..wtf was GT4?

especially with such massive titles such as MGS4 DMC4 probably coming to 360 then well you see what im saying.

i mean solid snake is in the new smash brothers on the wii for gods sake...PS3 aint so exclusive.

[Kira Yamoto]

QUOTE(grim_d @ Sep 21 2006, 11:57 AM)

ALOT of those games are coming to 360. and forza IS better than gran turismo..wtf was GT4?

especially with such massive titles such as MGS4 DMC4 probably coming to 360 then well you see what im saying.

i mean solid snake is in the new smash brothers on the wii for gods sake...PS3 aint so exclusive.

typical response.  MGS4 was stated to be an exclusive, and Kojima said specifically that if he were to do a game on 360 or Wii, they wouldn't be Metal Gear Solid.  DMC has never been considered for cross platform, and as it stands right now, DMC4 is an exclusive.  There has never been any talk except of 360 hopefuls that it would ever come close to a 360 release.

MGS4: No
DMC4: No
Motorstorm: Obviously not, it's published by SCE
FEAR: Yes
Armored Core 4: Yes
Marvel Ultimate Alliance: Yes, cross platform
Unreal 2k7: Yes
RE5: Yes
FFXIII: No
Bioshock: Yes
Virtua Fighter 5: No
Tekken 6: No
Coded Arms: Assault: No, SCE
Heavenly Sword: No, SCE
Resistance FOM: No, SCE

Ok, so 4 games are cross platform, but this still doesn't even scratch the surface of what they got planned.  Also saying that 360's gonna get same games as well doesn't factor a lot into the argument as this thread is about what's good for PS3, or what's there at all.  My post about the PS3 has never been about the 360 and if/when they get similar titles.  They were to show that there are some good games coming out for it.  For those that don't have a 360, the cross-platform games do matter.  For those that already own a 360, what does it matter? If you don't buy a PS3 then you'd get that cross platform game.  All you're missing out on is the exclusives, and your reply to that would be, well I dont care, or there's something better.  It's pretty pointless to argue really.

About Forza, yeah I've had this argument already.  It's pretty subjective to tell somebody that it's better when it could be different for someone else.  I have always stuck to GT so that's what I'll play.  I've played Forza and I still like GT so in my mind, GT is better regardless of what anyone else says.  I didn't even MENTION Forza and here it came as I mentioned GT.  As if you had to be a MS representative to defend your product from a competitors product.

To close my post, I want to say that many Xbox and GCN hopefuls always thought the same as you do.  That an exclusive game on PS2 would reach Xbox and GCN, yet most of the titles, if not nearly all of them didn't.  I know Crash, MGS1 and 2 and GTA made it cross platform but none of the 1st parties did, and most of the franchises that have been with PS since PS1 were still on PS2 and I see that the trend is continuing on PS3.

[bucko]

Yes to the people that said I'm into racing games, they are indeed my favorite game genre, I do also like FPS games (I'm a huge counter strike source fan on the PC) so Gears Of Wars looks pretty impressive on the 360. Though the games available for the 360 atm don't entice me to shelling out a load of money to get one.

Call of Duty 2 is good I played it on a friends 360 while drunk yes but it's not something I can play over, and over again like PGR3, NFS etc. I haven't tried test drive but I have heard good things about it.

But once again the PS3 does have some impressive launch titles so it will be interesting to see how everything pans out.

[cr4ck3rj4ck]

I wish they would make a racing game for the Xbox that runs at 60 fps, not 30 like PGR3.

Ridge Racer 6 runs at 60, but thats too arcade-like for my blood. I have always loved Gran Turismo, and thats the only reason I have a PS2. I don't care how great Granturismo 5/HD looks I won't have a PS3.

[grim_d]

QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Sep 21 2006, 12:37 PM)

typical response.  MGS4 was stated to be an exclusive, and Kojima said specifically that if he were to do a game on 360 or Wii, they wouldn't be Metal Gear Solid.  DMC has never been considered for cross platform, and as it stands right now, DMC4 is an exclusive.  There has never been any talk except of 360 hopefuls that it would ever come close to a 360 release.

MGS4: No
DMC4: No
Motorstorm: Obviously not, it's published by SCE
FEAR: Yes
Armored Core 4: Yes
Marvel Ultimate Alliance: Yes, cross platform
Unreal 2k7: Yes
RE5: Yes
FFXIII: No
Bioshock: Yes
Virtua Fighter 5: No
Tekken 6: No
Coded Arms: Assault: No, SCE
Heavenly Sword: No, SCE
Resistance FOM: No, SCE

Ok, so 4 games are cross platform, but this still doesn't even scratch the surface of what they got planned.  Also saying that 360's gonna get same games as well doesn't factor a lot into the argument as this thread is about what's good for PS3, or what's there at all.  My post about the PS3 has never been about the 360 and if/when they get similar titles.  They were to show that there are some good games coming out for it.  For those that don't have a 360, the cross-platform games do matter.  For those that already own a 360, what does it matter? If you don't buy a PS3 then you'd get that cross platform game.  All you're missing out on is the exclusives, and your reply to that would be, well I dont care, or there's something better.  It's pretty pointless to argue really.

About Forza, yeah I've had this argument already.  It's pretty subjective to tell somebody that it's better when it could be different for someone else.  I have always stuck to GT so that's what I'll play.  I've played Forza and I still like GT so in my mind, GT is better regardless of what anyone else says.  I didn't even MENTION Forza and here it came as I mentioned GT.  As if you had to be a MS representative to defend your product from a competitors product.

To close my post, I want to say that many Xbox and GCN hopefuls always thought the same as you do.  That an exclusive game on PS2 would reach Xbox and GCN, yet most of the titles, if not nearly all of them didn't.  I know Crash, MGS1 and 2 and GTA made it cross platform but none of the 1st parties did, and most of the franchises that have been with PS since PS1 were still on PS2 and I see that the trend is continuing on PS3.

4 games?, u mentioned 6 dude. and ill put money on it that mgs4 will come to 360, maybe not dmc4 but im hopeful, 2 was dissapointing though and im still waiting to play 3.

im not going to get into a comparing games debate, its pointless and old

of course forza is going to come up when you mention gt, gt2 was EPIC, but 3 and 4 were majorly dissapointing.

obviously you think im a fanboy and thats fine by me, but i pick my games and hardware by what interests me, hence MS and Nintendo, but ps3 just isnt grabbing my attention, too many lies, too much unfounded hope, not enough actual demonstration. and its the ugliest looking thing ive seen in all my days.

and some of the recent game screenshots make me wonder if developers acctually realise theyr developing for the ps3.

sony is riding far too much on fans faith for the console and i think thats wrong.

Just so you know i hated the xbox when it first came out, now i love it.

if your going to reply let it not be flaming or the topic will just get closed and will be another pointless thread, as it stands its went way off topic, as they all seem to. I dont think ill be visiting the ps3 forums much in the future, if just to avoid sony fanboys, they are the worst.

P.S bucko, test drive is immense

[Kira Yamoto]

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4 games?, u mentioned 6 dude. and ill put money on it that mgs4 will come to 360, maybe not dmc4 but im hopeful, 2 was dissapointing though and im still waiting to play 3.

Oops, I was thinking/typing too fast and got lost while typing it out.  You'll put money on MGS4 coming to 360? How about the fact that MGS3 AND MGS3:S did not come to the Xbox? That alone is a red flag that says Konami has buckled down on what system they want their games on, and MGS was for PS only.  It was proven that they didn't need any of the outside audiences as an Xbox fan could just say, Splinter Cell and GCN, LOL, just LOL.  Anyways, I just want to say that every MGS game have always been to the PS 1st.  Even if they do get a release on another console, it wouldn't see a release for years, or in the case of MGS3, never.

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im not going to get into a comparing games debate, its pointless and old

You started it homie.  I was just talking about some of the upcoming launch games, and why that might possibly be a benefit to a possible ps3 owner.

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of course forza is going to come up when you mention gt, gt2 was EPIC, but 3 and 4 were majorly dissapointing.

Yet you said that you didn't want to get into a comparing games debate which exactly is what "Forza is better than GT" is all about

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sony is riding far too much on fans faith for the console and i think thats wrong.

Just so you know, they did it for PS2 and it worked.  Why? Because Sony gave them beloved franchises that they could find nowhere else.  And even if those franchises saw a release a long while after it's exclusivity contract died down, it still didn't make too much of a big dent.  Players saw that as, well we got to play it 1st, if someone else could experience it, then whats bad about that?  Exclusitivity is key for a console.

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s it stands its went way off topic, as they all seem to.

I dunno about you but I mainly stayed on topic.  I talked about the #1 benefit of PS3 and that's its games.  I did want to go into detail about other benefits of PS3, but games is what came into mind 1st, and what I had enough time for.  The only thing that made me go off-topic was you.  You didn't need to act the MS representative.

[grim_d]

well im done with this convo,  because it is jus gonna turn into a flame war.

if your sitting there saying "HA, i defeated teh ms fanboi" then fine enjoy your gangantuan e-penis

weel see what happens if the ps3 ever makes it onto the shelves.

either way im probably going to enjoy my wii the most

QUOTE(NicoBech @ Sep 21 2006, 02:25 PM)

is it just me or are the wheels in motorstorm not turning?... i've watched plenty of videos... but i can't see the wheels turning.....

LOL

[Kira Yamoto]

QUOTE(grim_d @ Sep 21 2006, 02:32 PM)

well im done with this convo,  because it is jus gonna turn into a flame war.

if your sitting there saying "HA, i defeated teh ms fanboi" then fine enjoy your gangantuan e-penis

weel see what happens if the ps3 ever makes it onto the shelves.

either way im probably going to enjoy my wii the most
LOL

dude if you notice I'm only replying to how you act.  Stop acting like a MS employee, and more like a gamer and maybe you wouldn't feel that it would get into a flamewar.

[grim_d]

QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Sep 21 2006, 02:36 PM)

dude if you notice I'm only replying to how you act.  Stop acting like a MS employee, and more like a gamer and maybe you wouldn't feel that it would get into a flamewar.

and similarly im only replying to you. acting like a MS employee? typical responce, mate i think ive gave nintendo more praise than i have MS. Simply because thyr the ones acctually doing something different, the 360 and ps3 are just upgrades.

Act like a gamer? ok, gamers need money to buy games, and i cant justify the money for a ps3, when i can have a 360 AND a wii for that price, especially when being forced to get blu-ray when i dont even want it.

All im saying is that Sony are fucking everyone around and i dont see how you can deny it, i mean when editors of official playstation mags and the editor of IGN ps3 say bad things about it what does that show you?

When hardcore sony fans are changing to Nintendo/MS because sony aint giving them what they want what does that say to you?

like ive said before there is nothing about the ps3 that is interesting me FROM A GAMERS point of view, mainly because every bloody screenshot is pre-rendered.

Id be quite happy to praise the ps3 i it gave me good reason to, i mean the ps2 has done outstanding for itself, so much so im considering getting myself one of those slim ones because mine is all beaten up.

[Deftech]

QUOTE(grim_d @ Sep 21 2006, 10:09 AM)

and similarly im only replying to you. acting like a MS employee? typical responce, mate i think ive gave nintendo more praise than i have MS. Simply because thyr the ones acctually doing something different, the 360 and ps3 are just upgrades.

tread lightly with that one...

some will say the wii is nothing but a GC with a new, different controller.

Just pointing that out, go back to arguing/debating  

[KAGE360]

bioshock is not coming to the ps3