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[krawhitham]

QUOTE(iforbes @ Sep 6 2006, 04:16 PM)

Ain't nothing going to stop the PS3 from being a huge success.

The problems with blue ray will make it stall from the gate, but it still will win the race.

People want to bitch about how expensive it is, but compared to the other offerings and what you're getting for your money, it's a bargain.

An Xbox 360/hard drive can be upgraded with a HD drive but that brings the price up to $600. With that same cash, you can purchase a PS3 and get not just Hi-Def video but also with HDMI, additional 40 gigs of storage and near 100% compatibiltiy with PS2 and PS1 games which most people still have a nice collection of.

Microsoft is the biggest pirate with the most expensive 'complete' system.
Choices are;
1.If you're a cheap SOB who likes cutting edge gaming experiences, buy a WII
2 If you want the overall best multimedia experience, save and wait, then get a PS3
3 If you want to game now in mid range PC def graphics without buying a more expensive capable PC, and don't mind getting ram rodded by Microsoft for accesories, then get a 360

Can someone please tell me what drug makes one so delusional

[epsilon72]

The more info we get on the PS3, the more everyone's expectations of it topple over.

Except of course, if they were already at zero, then they can't go any lower

I wonder how long it'll be before they announce a North America delay?


Now I don't feel so bad about the Wii releasing in November instead of October.

[Deftech]

someone look back 6 months at my posts or Kages(along with a few others), and youll find one of us saying that even though sony announced their date of November, theres no way Europe will see it b4 2007.

We got ripped on and were told "but sony announced the date, therefore it must be true"

Hahahahahaha.

Once again, they prove to be the most predictable company when it comes to screw ups and broken promises.

Damned shepherd followers, open thine eyes and quit being taken for fools. You can like or even love sony but STOP worshipping them and blindly accepting everything they spew forth!  

 

[redwolf]

QUOTE(GogoAckman @ Sep 6 2006, 07:51 PM)

I don't think so, 720p or 1080p (or even i) is used with lcd or plasma technology only, CRT TVs are limited to 640p I think.
And when it comes to LCD or plasma, speaking of hertz is a joke, because the limitation is the time of response (I don't know if it is the appropriate term in english) of the transistors, that s why there is no interest at all in setting 75Hz or 100Hz to LCD monitor.
About PAL problems, I don't think it is the real problem, probably a hoax or a stupid excuse like always with sony.
One thing is sure, there have been considerably more PS2 sold in Europe than in Japan, so I don't understand the position of sony.

do you have a PAL LCD or Plasma that has HDMI? have you ever shopped around for some? there are ALOT of TVs, specially in the UK market today that will ONLY except PAL @ 50hz via HDMI. But most (not all) made end of  2005 until now have both 50 & 60hz and your supports "75Hz or 100Hz" by PC's VGA/DVI mode, NOT HDMI.   and wtf you on about 640p...you mean 540p PAL, same as 480p  

and those of you saying my HDTV supports both... are you sure that it supports via HDMI? not sure if it HDCP or whatever, but there are ristriction that PAL can only output 50hz via HDMI.

there are also language barrier in the European market. this is another reason we see games gets delayed or comes last then other regions. read in Google News that the PS3's interface/dash/menu lacked few other languages.


anyways, someone posted this elsewhere

 

[Deftech]

Im slapping that on as many sites as possible! Thanks!

[krawhitham]

QUOTE(jcdenton2003 @ Sep 6 2006, 03:54 PM)

Just been on the ps3 website and there saying there having trouble working bluray in Pal format. To be honest im supprised sony didnt get the idea ages ago an chuck bluray out and get HDdvd they hold more on a disk.. cost less to make.. they just wanted to be diffrent, stupid sony!

single layer blueray = 25 GB
Double Layer blueray = 50 GB (yet to be released)

single layer HD = 15 GB
Double Layer HD = 30 GB
Triple Layer HD = 45 GB (unknown if current players will handle a tripple layer)


Blueray holds more BUT HD looks better as of now, Blueray is still using MPEG for movies and HD is using VC1

[Kira Yamoto]

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To get developers to invest, you need a good user base. To get a good user base, you need developers to invest. There is too much of a vicious circle here for the PS3 to be a success, and I think it is game over for Sony in the gaming industry.

Wrong.  To get publishers to invest, you need a good IP (intellectual property).  Which comes from the developers.  The userbase IS the installed base.  Advertising brings in some of those users who like the idea.  Which sets up the groundwork for your game.  Now that publishers got your attention, they continue working on the game, and release some work as it comes out for PR purposes (hype)

Publishers pay developers to make the game.  They are the only ones investing here, which makes them the decision makers in everything from console of choice, to what goes into/out of the game.  This brings up an old argument of mine, that as long as developers are getting paid by Publishers, they don't get to complain about thier job and do something about it.  They either go to work to feed their families, pay thier mortgages or walk out the door.  Usually they stay and deal with it.

[Big Al]

Is it me but is MS dropping the ball by not really turning up the pressure on Sony.  Three things that I would like to see MS do are:

1)  Launch a must have game or two for the console like Halo 3.  Wasn't this supposed to come out in the spring of 2006 anyway?

2)  Improve the media capabilities of the console.   XBMC is great app for the Xbox, and the closer the can come to duplicating this on the 360 the better.  Right now they aren't even close, even though the could be.  I sounds like the may be fixing this with an update this fall, but who knows.

3)  I know they loose money on the consoles, but the cheaper they can sell the things the better.    And the cheaper they are the more they are going to sell and the less Sony will sell.  Price point is incredibly important, and it's probably a large part of why some of the other consoles that have been mentioned in this thread failed.

That's my two cents worth.

[WildMonkeys]

QUOTE(dinzy @ Sep 6 2006, 07:51 PM)

THis is assinine. The highest settings on a high end PC are much higher than the xbox 360. I don't know how you can even compare the two unless you put them both at the same resolution and that would be a really low setting for a PC game.
If there is any truth to your claims then it is because the developers used low res textures and other tricks to make the games run on crappy PCs. There is no way in hell that a 3-4000 dollar PC with a dual core chip and an SLI/ crossfire configiration cannot put the xbox 360 to shame. What do you think ATI and nVidia haven't been able to improve their technology in the year + since the x360s specs were finalized



Oh yeah and crytek recently claimed that no next gen machine will be able to do its new engine justice.

I think you should go to school before you start telling others to.

idiot

Good job.

You just f*cked up your point!

The only reason next gen consoles can't do it is because they don't support Direct X 10 (which has special ways to let more objects on screen at the same time with a shitload less processing power)

And yeah what he's saying is true though a top the line pc right now may best 360 in graphics as far as resolution settings and the effects of that goes...

but on the 360 you're playing on a HD TV, not a monitor with 2x or so the resolution...

*edit* forgot to add that pc games are made for multiple hardware, ect and 360 games for one specific machine... therefore 360 games will generally be able to look much better on it than on (even today) a tricked out gaming system

[epsilon72]

QUOTE(vengeancegoon @ Sep 6 2006, 11:17 AM)

You really don't know anything about video games or the industry. I signed up just to reply to your moronic comments. Sony at one point used to be a name synonymous with quality in electronics. Like many fat bloated corporations they have their head up their arses and are going to lose. Maybe the PS3 is their Spruce Goose, maybe not but their fall is coming.

They did not win the console war with the PS1, they won by default because SEGA and Nintendo shot themselves in the foot. That was not genius on Sony's part, it was the other companies lack of foresight. Nintendo with their carts and SEGA with their handling of third party developers. Sony whored themselves out to any crack addict they could while the other two companies wanted to focus on quality.

The Playstation is THE white trash console of the gaming world. The best thing Sony did was also the worst thing, they made gaming mass market so idiots like you could pick a console up without fear of being called a nerd. This was good in the sense that more people would be playing, therefore more games. Bad because it meant that game designing has been saddled by marketing and sales fools that say "We need another Sims!" or "Hell yeah, Tomb Raider 56 is gonna rock!".

I'm looking to Nintendo to put the game back in the gaming industry. I do like what Microsoft is doing but feel they could do more. In some ways I wish Nintendo had gone the ways of SEGA and just concentrated on great games but after seeing the Wii, I'm glad they are still around. Hail to the king baby!

Harsh, but oh so true..

Remember how videogames used to be "uncool" until all these kids got playstations?

Nice first post.

[Deftech]

I'll add to that...

Younger kids didnt get playstation 1 for the games, they got it because their friends did. It was the cool thing being talked about on the playground.

I worked at a civic center from 1992 till 2000, and some days I watched the older boys(8 to 12 years old) in an after school program and tossed the football around with them. In doing so, anyone that didnt have a ps1 was ridiculed and cast aside. It was a sad sight.

Kids at that age had no idea what the games were, or what the system offered. They got it because they were told to, or to fit in. I had parents ask me if they thought the ps1 was worth the $$ which means these kids actually went home and told their parents about it. I know I know, that takes place with any toy, but Not to the extent of something thats Sony branded. Surely noone here will deny that(Actually I can think of someone who will, lol).

whats shocking is that this took place in a small suburb that had a total of 6,000 residents, and a very small amount of them being children. The whole school system from 1st - 12th grade consisted of 800 kids. If what I saw was that prevelant in such a small community, its VERY EASY to see why and how ps1 grew. If I didnt see it 1st hand, I wouldnt have believed it.

I brought my saturn in and hooked it up to the projector. Some left the theater room because it wasnt a ps1(which I had at home for Tomb Raider 2). As some left, they told their friends to leave. Some followed, some stayed.

If Sony intended for this to happen, they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. They are THE undisputed kings of marketing. But with that comes lies and broken promises. It'll take another decade for people to see what truly goes on behind closed doors, but mark my fuggin words, that day will come.

[Deftech]

Joe hes not just another Zombie, hes the King baby!

Ive been gone for the entire summer and every thread I check, hes at peoples throats calling them names and such. If anyone gets scolded by the Mods, it had better be him 1st.

Hes only doing what his shepherd Kenny Kutaragi taught him to do...backpedal in the face of confrontation. It doesnt have to be with class or intelligence, just get out and scream "I love sony" while doing so.

Check the "Lord-HDMI cables" thread for a good  

*****JOE, your sig pic rocks

Hahahahahahahahaha

[epsilon72]

QUOTE(Deftech @ Sep 6 2006, 07:37 PM)

I'll add to that...

Younger kids didnt get playstation 1 for the games, they got it because their friends did. It was the cool thing being talked about on the playground.

I worked at a civic center from 1992 till 2000, and some days I watched the older boys(8 to 12 years old) in an after school program and tossed the football around with them. In doing so, anyone that didnt have a ps1 was ridiculed and cast aside. It was a sad sight.

Kids at that age had no idea what the games were, or what the system offered. They got it because they were told to, or to fit in. I had parents ask me if they thought the ps1 was worth the $$ which means these kids actually went home and told their parents about it. I know I know, that takes place with any toy, but Not to the extent of something thats Sony branded. Surely noone here will deny that(Actually I can think of someone who will, lol).

whats shocking is that this took place in a small suburb that had a total of 6,000 residents, and a very small amount of them being children. The whole school system from 1st - 12th grade consisted of 800 kids. If what I saw was that prevelant in such a small community, its VERY EASY to see why and how ps1 grew. If I didnt see it 1st hand, I wouldnt have believed it.

I brought my saturn in and hooked it up to the projector. Some left the theater room because it wasnt a ps1(which I had at home for Tomb Raider 2). As some left, they told their friends to leave. Some followed, some stayed.

If Sony intended for this to happen, they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. They are THE undisputed kings of marketing. But with that comes lies and broken promises. It'll take another decade for people to see what truly goes on behind closed doors, but mark my fuggin words, that day will come.
 

Yup.  Exactly what I think.

Joe's sig does rock.  TEH toy StoRy graphics!!!

[Kira Yamoto]

Mass Effect, oooo can't wait.  Anything coming out of Bioware would be a purchase for me.  Looking forward to Fable 2 and Gears of War as well.  The 1st fable didn't live up to the hype (but regardless a great game) so I hope they add a lot more skills and quests to the game.  Halo 3 should be interesting too.  I really enjoyed 2, but only single-player.

[lex_luther23]

QUOTE(Killa Kastro @ Sep 6 2006, 11:02 PM)

This Was Beautiful Great Play-by-Play to why PS was Statistically Dominent in it previous Years!

Thats a nice read and i half to agree