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Kira Yamoto

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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2006, 01:49:00 PM »

then why are you posting here Kage? It seems as if you're only doing this to bring negativity to this board.  Doesn't anyone actually WANT a PS3 here? Saying you have no need/want for a FREE PS3 is a damn lie.  You can always keep the system and buy the good games that come out for it because eventually a good game (or lots of them) will roll along and then you're gonna want to go out and buy the system.  It happens to every gamer.  I've seen it happen across all systems for all kinds of games.  Good lord.  Its like being homeless and someone handing you a large box of pizza and then saying, I'm sorry I don't have need for that kind of food, I'm vegetarian.

It also looks like I'm all alone here.  I'm the only one who's really bringing any kind of positive attitude towards the PS3, and it's games.  The only one who actually WANTS one on this board.  From the way that you guys talk, you don't even like any of Sony or its 3rd party franchises or even the Playstation brand itself.  Trying to debate or argue with any of you is useless because you're biased FOR the 360 anyways.
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« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2006, 02:54:00 PM »

QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 31 2006, 03:56 PM) View Post

The only one who actually WANTS one on this board.


well, in my eyes, its the least interesting of the 3 systems. the xbox360 has an amazing networking backbone as well as plenty of awesome games that are here, now, with more on the way.

the wii looks amazing, i love that controller, can't wait to give that thing a shot and see if it lives up to the hype.

the ps3 just doesn't have any games in the near future that excite me. i will probably end up picking one up once the price drops (although with it starting at $600, it might be a while before the price drops to something i consider worth it). i have 0 interest in blueray, and that is artificially driving the price up for the system. i love final fantasy just as much as the next guy, but not for that price. i think if the ps3 had a standard dvd drive and cost $400 and had a blueray player as an optional USB addon, it would seem a lot more attractive to most people.
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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2006, 03:44:00 PM »

I WANT ONE!

well, when the system is actually worth the price of admission. Seriously, my negativity is from a consumers point of view, not from a fanboy's perspective. I still have an interest in all the systems and to be honest the 360 was the easiest purchase for me (even though I still think $400 was alot). Its quite clear that MS has its head on straight but everybody else seems to be offering something that I just dont see happening yet.  Sony is clearly on a different level than us (the consumers) and Nintendo has their niche' but how long is the excitement of that gonna last? When all three systems are on equal footing ill consider other systems but now ill stick with the 360.
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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2006, 06:57:00 AM »

QUOTE(yourM0M @ Aug 31 2006, 10:20 PM) View Post

well you are on a board that is hosted by a MAJOR xbox site.....lets think about that one?? go to the psm boards or something if you want some fellow fanboys to agree with.....

as far as the topic im still sticking with my opinion of a Q1 07' launch....muahahhahahha  muhaha.gif


its hosted by Xbox-Scene yes, but it's hosted FOR PS3scene.com which is a PS3 site!  I don't go around looking for fanboys to agree with, but damn, there has to be something positive on it and I'm quite sure there is.  Most of the time, I just see 360 trolls coming here and looking for a fight.  Looking at the PS3's negative side, of course its gonna be an EASY victory no matter how many good points are brought up.  A lotta people are gonna side with the 360 fanboy because most of you are from Xbox-Scene including me! But I'm about the ONLY one who's unbiased here.  So when I see a "stupid" post, I'm going to poke it full of holes no matter who's on my side or not.

True, my posts defend Sony, but I could be called a Xbox fanboy by the way I defended the 360 before it was released, the PSP, and so on.  Because of that you guys see me as a fanboy.  But you don't really know the meaning of the WORD fanboy.  Just like you people don't know the meaning of the word racist.  People are so quick to label something, but are most of the time, completely off because they didn't take a lot of other things into consideration.
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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2006, 07:37:00 AM »

It's true... the little PS3 sub forum as part of the biggest Xbox modding forum on the internet. How could you not expect to find Xbox fanatics?

To be prefectly honest, as someone who moderated the Xbox 360 forums before it came out, those forums had even more console bashing then this forum does... it happens to pretty much every console before they come out, people are dissapointed with what they think they're going to get... "why didn't the change X"... "X is a stupid idea"... "There are no good games"... "its too expensive"

I remember hearing all of that before the Saturn, before the Playstation 1, before the N64, Before the Dreamcast, Before the PS2, Before the Xbox 1, Before the Gamecube, before the Xbox 360 and now we're hearing it before the PS3... it's to be expected.
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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2006, 09:05:00 AM »

QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Aug 31 2006, 03:56 PM) View Post

then why are you posting here Kage? It seems as if you're only doing this to bring negativity to this board.  Doesn't anyone actually WANT a PS3 here? Saying you have no need/want for a FREE PS3 is a damn lie.  You can always keep the system and buy the good games that come out for it because eventually a good game (or lots of them) will roll along and then you're gonna want to go out and buy the system.  It happens to every gamer.  I've seen it happen across all systems for all kinds of games.  Good lord.  Its like being homeless and someone handing you a large box of pizza and then saying, I'm sorry I don't have need for that kind of food, I'm vegetarian.

It also looks like I'm all alone here.  I'm the only one who's really bringing any kind of positive attitude towards the PS3, and it's games.  The only one who actually WANTS one on this board.  From the way that you guys talk, you don't even like any of Sony or its 3rd party franchises or even the Playstation brand itself.  Trying to debate or argue with any of you is useless because you're biased FOR the 360 anyways.


im here to discuss the ps3 like anyone else.  just because i dont plan to get one, ever because my brother gets all the playstations, does not mean that i can not comment on it.  

i dont even know why there is a need to get so defensive, there was MUCH more negative word going around about the 360 and most even announced it dead when it was first revealed!  

like all consoles, the ps3 interests me.  although its WAY overhyped, its still a powerful piece of hardware.  

besides, since you are so unbiased, i think its widely agreed that sony is getting their "just deserts" with the general public finally not putting up with their lies, hype, and deception.  

also if you care to check my posts i put up good news as well as bad.  its no one's fault but sony's that there really isnt much good to talk about.  

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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2006, 11:44:00 AM »

That's why im saying they could be lying about not going gold yet. They're all about flash and hype, and they know 600 is extremely high for a gaming console. So they say limited stock, then get everyone to go get one and there's plenty in stores. Just like Halo 2 LE, there's nothing LE about it lmao
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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2006, 06:33:00 PM »

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besides, since you are so unbiased, i think its widely agreed that sony is getting their "just deserts" with the general public finally not putting up with their lies, hype, and deception.


and other companies did it even worse, ESPECIALLY Nintendo.  Look at what happened at E3.  Nintendo hyped their machine as the most "revolutionary" and the true "innovator" but it's just another cheap gimmick that will get worn out after awhile, and the technology isn't really "revolutionary" anyways as it existed before the Wii.  MS is just as guilty saying that their system is the most powerful, and superior in every way, they pushed their best venture (XBL) to get an edge in favor over Sony every chance they got.  I've read just about every interview and it's just about as BS as anything Sony says.  

I don't look at gaming politics when I buy my console.  I look at what developers a system developer has in order to determine who's gonna be making the games I like.  The extra features is just a nice thing to have in addition to the console itself.  While BluRay doesnt necessarily entice me to buy a PS3, I know it's nice to have to use, when and if I decide to buy some movies for it.  The option is there, and I don't see why I shouldn't since it is.  

Really, the only issue that I see people having problem with is the price and the price alone.  If the thing was 399 just like the 360 they would have found something else to bash on, it's a never ending cycle.  What I don't get is that the 499 version is perfectly viable as a gaming platform yet people skip over it because it's not "premium".  It has a smaller HD yes, but the lack of WiFi can be compensated with wired controllers, and using the USB to hook in your PSP or other such devices.  1080p isn't common and probably won't be a huge feature with most games, so analog input for 1080i and 720p aren't really a big issue.   Ok, so you paid 100 more for the console, such is the price of having a bluray drive inside the console.  That isn't all bad now is it?  If you were to buy the 360 premium and the HDDVD add on, it'd be just about 500 if you bought the Core.  To add to that, you don't even get HDDVD capability for games on your 360. Look at the plus sides, the PS3's 500 offers an HD instead of just a controller and nothing else.  Looking at the big picture here, you take out the huge pricepoint and there really isn't anymore issues.  Dev's wouldn't be jumping ship, or holding off because it'd be an accessible system for both dev's and consumers.
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« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2006, 08:16:00 AM »

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and other companies did it even worse, ESPECIALLY Nintendo. Look at what happened at E3. Nintendo hyped their machine as the most "revolutionary" and the true "innovator" but it's just another cheap gimmick that will get worn out after awhile, and the technology isn't really "revolutionary" anyways as it existed before the Wii. MS is just as guilty saying that their system is the most powerful, and superior in every way, they pushed their best venture (XBL) to get an edge in favor over Sony every chance they got. I've read just about every interview and it's just about as BS as anything Sony says.


Nintendo isnt selling the controller as a revolution; they are selling, the concept of having the controller as default and have every game built for it in innovative ways, as a revolution. If you look at it that way then it IS a revolution. How many systems have done that before? its a tacked on feature in the ps3 (and also the atari, wavebird and everything else that came before it) but on the wii it is the center of gameplay. Thats revolutionary or next gen as ppl call it. the difference between sony and most companies that didnt deliver is that sony PROMISES all these radical things a with straight face and then change their minds at the last minute; as if they never thought about the consequences before time. A good example is the two configurations for the ps3. I mean sony belittled and looked down on MS for having to configurations of the system at two price points and said that they would NEVER do that, while knowing that the system would be expensive and that they would have to do something to make it more attractive. They ending up doing it anyway! DUH!!!

There is a reasson why MS interviews are usually more vague than Sony ones. Sony always alot more blunt and thats they always get themselves in trouble.


Another thing, this is the last time im going to respond to the ignorant "if the 360 had hd dvd built in.." argument. Now im the type of guy that owns a PC with a slow ass CPU but tons of ram, why? Well I only use it for surfing the web and simple networking tasks. As a result its cheap but effective, just the way I like it. Now I dont see any reason for me to have parts in there that i dont care for or am not gonna use (and if i wanted to I could just put it in later) cause that would just jack up the price and waste my money. The beautiful thing about PCs is that i have this fundamental choice and I love it.  The 360 gives me this choice and the ps3 doesnt! I dont want slow load times in my games, I dont want overpriced games and I dont watch blu ray/HD dvd movies (and dont plan to). The 360 gives me the choice to cut all that out of the equation and ultimately save me some money. The ps3 not only force feed me that bullshit but also takes away some of my rights to choice! With that being said, just becauseit has all that stuff built in doesnt make it a better choice, it just takes away some of ur choices. Its like buying dell over building a PC for ur uself. I dunno bought u but I would never do that....lol
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« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2006, 01:16:00 PM »

QUOTE(yourM0M @ Sep 2 2006, 01:59 PM) View Post

$ony should just luanch a core system without the blu-ray drive since that is obviously the main reason for the slow/non-existent production, other than their "cell"   muhaha.gif  $ony  muhaha.gif


publishing requirements that sony has put out require all discs to be pressed on blueray, also, some devs are already hard at work poorly compressing everything and wasting 22 gigs of space.
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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2006, 03:14:00 PM »

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Nintendo isnt selling the controller as a revolution; they are selling, the concept of having the controller as default and have every game built for it in innovative ways, as a revolution. If you look at it that way then it IS a revolution.


The controller being revolutionary is what Nintendo hyped it as.  Came from Shigeru Miyamoto's own mouth.  Although hey, no point in disputing it, as the articles are so old none of us can prove anything.  But yeah thats one way to look at it, otherwise there'd just be another gimmick for Nintendo's console.  Either way, it comes back to the controller being the "revolution"

If you look at the DS, like the way you look at the Wii, then you can get a better grasp of what it is they're trying to sell.  From my point of view (and many others) its the gimmick, such as the touch screen, dual screens, and motion sensor for the Wii-mote.  What Nintendo needs to prove, is that they'll make good on that gimmick and not be another DS scenario where only Nintendo made the best touch-screen software.

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The 360 gives me this choice and the ps3 doesnt! I dont want slow load times in my games, I dont want overpriced games and I dont watch blu ray/HD dvd movies (and dont plan to). The 360 gives me the choice to cut all that out of the equation and ultimately save me some money. The ps3 not only force feed me that bullshit but also takes away some of my rights to choice! With that being said, just becauseit has all that stuff built in doesnt make it a better choice, it just takes away some of ur choices. Its like buying dell over building a PC for ur uself. I dunno bought u but I would never do that....lol


Um, the 360 forced that hardware config for us.  The console had what you want.  Microsoft made all the decisions for what goes into the system FOR you.  MS then gave you extra options as addons.  The only choice you made is buying the console.  What if I wanted to put a bluray or hddvd drive in my 360? I can't do that, nor will the games support it.  I could on my PC, but PC's are always generations behind b/c they have to cater to the lower pc user and build from there.  You see, there is no choice in the config for my console, only that I chose to buy it.

I'm just going to hold back most of my comments until the PS3 comes out, because after that, I know it wouldn't be as bad as people say, largely because you can't experience something without experiencing it for yourself.  Everything said so far about PS3 and your lack of "choice" are just speculations, you don't know how you'd actually feel about the system until you've properly had the time to review it in your own home.  From purchasing day, to the 1st week/month of owning it.  Back then, I knew the 399 price would be okay for consumers, and now it's time to see what happens with Sony's 499 and 599 pricepoints, and what kind of opinions will their launch games generate.
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« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2006, 04:26:00 PM »

QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Sep 2 2006, 05:21 PM) View Post

I'm just going to hold back most of my comments until the PS3 comes out, because after that, I know it wouldn't be as bad as people say, largely because you can't experience something without experiencing it for yourself.  Everything said so far about PS3 and your lack of "choice" are just speculations, you don't know how you'd actually feel about the system until you've properly had the time to review it in your own home.  From purchasing day, to the 1st week/month of owning it.  Back then, I knew the 399 price would be okay for consumers, and now it's time to see what happens with Sony's 499 and 599 pricepoints, and what kind of opinions will their launch games generate.


you really are mistaken.  no one is saying its "bad", everyone is just seeing through sony's bullshit realizing that the console is not as "grand" like what sony originally promised.  it really amuses me that you have so much faith in this machine yet you jump to the change and defend it.  and yes we all know, you defended the 360, yada yada yada.  you really dont have a probem bashing it now though do you?  which is an odd twist since the 360 at least has proven itself.

also about my quote before....

obvious someone as unbiased as you would know/agree (like the majority of the world) that sony has done much wrong with the launches of their consoles.  WAY over hyping the capabilities, horrible shortages, design flaws, terrible customer support, cocky attitudes, and a dry period fallowing the launch for games.  finally after the whole ps2 and psp debacles people are taking a closer look at how sony is handling their launch and respecting (or disrespecting) the consumers.  the comment "we could sell 5 million consoles even without games" that sony made does not really speak highly of fanboys like you now does it?  showing rendered cut scenes as game footage, over bloating specs, hyping the console beyond reality, and going beyond trash talking when commenting on the competitors is sony's usual strategy for console launches.
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« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2006, 08:54:00 PM »

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you really are mistaken. no one is saying its "bad"


The literal meaning of "bad" wasn't quite what I meant.  Not everything is in black and white as you would like it to be.  What I meant was that the severity of the flaws that people are talking about wouldn't be as severe as what people thought before launch.  For instance, one of the defenses I had for the 360 was the pros for the pricepoint.  When it came time to be released, it wasn't as bad as people thought it was.  People accepted it and it even became the dominant system package that people purchased.

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you really dont have a probem bashing it now though do you?


No, I don't, but thats until AFTER I review the system.  Not before.

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obvious someone as unbiased as you would know/agree (like the majority of the world) that sony has done much wrong with the launches of their consoles.


Every company does.  &?  Nintendo DS had average to above average launch, but CRAP games all across the board (EU, JP, US) and had a 1 year dry spell.  PSP had an average launch with some gems, but had a 1 year dry spell.  PS2's had a sell-out launch, including some gems, but had a 1 year dry spell.  Dreamcast had an amazing launch, but the 1st year was slow just like any other system.  Xbox had an okay launch, and Halo took off (but that was about it) Xbox also had a 1 year dry spell.  The 360 is no different.  I don't need to repeat myself for you to get the point.  But in the 360's case we got some gems along the year at a faster rate than the older consoles.

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WAY over hyping the capabilities


Wii was so overhyped that it was gonna be the revolutionary system that the last E3 was a success for them, based off the fact that they up until then, have not released any info about it's games, or its accessories.  They did in fact release info about their controller, but still no sign of any games, or how revolutionary its controller would have an effect on games.

MS touted the fact that their 3 general processors and superior memory architecture offered an edge over the PS3.  They got people from their camp on basically every interview repeating what the VP keeps saying over and over.

I do agree that Sony did it back in the PS2 days pre-E3 and TGS, but this time, they've toned down compared to those days where they were making ridiculous claims, and giving us tech-demos that were way too good to be true (revealed that, that was under an enviornment specifically created for the demo)  Even went as far as proved the system they were playing on was real when they paused and moved the camera around (to prove its real-time)  and those were from 2 games, 1 currently out (FNR3) and 1 slated for launch on PC,PS3 and 360 (UT2k7)

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horrible shortages


Where were you at 360's launch? In fact, 360's launch had such horrible shortages that people were pissed that they didn't get one in time for christmas, and that others were being gouged online on ebay.  People couldn't purchase a 360 straight from the store unless they kept track of a retail store's shipments, and even then, couldn't walk into a store to buy one any day they wanted until 6 months after launch.  That's pretty damn bad.

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design flaws


Ok I give you that.  But just about every console has design flaws.  GCN's caused it to overheat and freeze games, DC's caused it to display screwed textures, PS2's DRE, Xbox's overheat and error msg, 360's disc scractching and overheating issues, list goes on.

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cocky attitudes


And MS and Nintendo weren't? Nintendo went even as far as call their system revolutionary.  MS went as far as saying their 360 was better than the PS3 even though they had no concrete info.  Granted, Ken K. came off more cockier because he was more blunt, but after 2 console successes he has a right to.  Heck I'd do the same thing if I was in his position.  Nintendo lost 64 and GCN.  MS lost Xbox.  Sony won Playstation 1 and 2.  From 1995-2006, the years of their success, that's pretty huge, even you would have to admit that is impressive.

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finally after the whole ps2 and psp debacles people are taking a closer look at how sony is handling their launch and respecting (or disrespecting) the consumers. the comment "we could sell 5 million consoles even without games" that sony made does not really speak highly of fanboys like you now does it? showing rendered cut scenes as game footage, over bloating specs, hyping the console beyond reality, and going beyond trash talking when commenting on the competitors is sony's usual strategy for console launches.


Not all consumers pay attention to the media.  But consumers do pay attention to track record and going as far back as 1995, consumers have faith in the brand.  I don't know how many times I need to repeat that.  Ok, so Sony aren't the best at making statements, but they do deliver, even if not at the level that people expected at 1st.  Later on, people see the games that made the console worth buying such as MGS2-3, SotC, God of War, GT series, Tekken 5 and so on.

I do agree that they do go overboard, but its nothing that other companies won't do.  Nintendo was so damn cocky, in that they said, let the other companies duke it out, we're out to make games, and we are the revolution.  That's saying a hell of a lot don't you think? When the revolutionary part of the console was released, we found that it was a remote control!  Not only that, we saw no mind-blowing applications (even at e3) except only a new gimmick that could possibly be a way to change our experiences forever.  I'd quote MS too, but only Nintendo since they made the grandest hype and cockiest attitude of them all.

heres one my posts from before the 360 launch, I had some others that were in heated debate over the new steps MS was taking (higher price point, optional accessories) but they were purged

http://www.shoryuken...p;postcount=206
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« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2006, 10:31:00 PM »

QUOTE(Kira Yamoto @ Sep 2 2006, 05:21 PM) View Post

Um, the 360 forced that hardware config for us.  The console had what you want.  Microsoft made all the decisions for what goes into the system FOR you.  MS then gave you extra options as addons.  The only choice you made is buying the console.



actually, they did give the consumer the choice. they put the $200 dvd drive that most people won't want as an optional accessory and in the end, that allowed them to charge $200 less then the ps3. that is the meaning of putting the choice in consumers hands. sony did not put the choice in consumers hands because they charge $600 and your stuck with the blue ray player want it or not. saying people will use it and and people would have spent the extra $200 for the blueray features are not the same thing.
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« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2006, 10:50:00 PM »

QUOTE(Reaper527 @ Sep 3 2006, 05:38 AM) View Post

actually, they did give the consumer the choice. they put the $200 dvd drive that most people won't want as an optional accessory and in the end, that allowed them to charge $200 less then the ps3. that is the meaning of putting the choice in consumers hands. sony did not put the choice in consumers hands because they charge $600 and your stuck with the blue ray player want it or not. saying people will use it and and people would have spent the extra $200 for the blueray features are not the same thing.


No, you're missing the point. Microsoft didn't give us or the developers a choice whether they wanted to develop for HD-DVD or not.  They simply said, we're putting in DVD.  That's not offering much choice between anybody is it?

They gave consumers a choice between a HD-DVD player that plays movies, or just leaving it alone as a game machine and dvd player.  They never did give consumers nor developers a choice for having HD-DVD format for games.  Sony gave us BluRay for Movies AND Games.  NONE of them gave us a choice whether or not which format we wanted for our games.

You also misread, according to your last sentence too.  BluRay was not only a movie format, but a format for their games too.  Much like UMD.  Therefore no matter what, you are going to be using Bluray.  But you have the option of buying movies for it, BECAUSE ITS THERE, just like UMD's.  It's not a question of "would I buy a ps3 for the bluray features, and would I use it" its a matter of, we're getting a bluray drive for the games but in addition, we are getting a movie player as well.

Sony is pulling off the double-edge sword much like they did with the UMD.  Let's face it.  UMD format failed as a movie format.  Why? Because it cost too much compared to actual DVD's that are released in higher resolution, plays on any dvd player, and has more features.  But UMD's other side, is that it's also the main format for PSP games.  Which leads to the format being used regardless.   The same is true for the PS3.  If Bluray as a movie format fails, then Bluray is still the main format for the PS3 games.  Either way, Sony doesn't lose.  It's a natural failsafe and its pretty smart if you ask me.
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